Campaign 2008

[Jingus 0]

Hey dudes, would Hilary Clinton be in the position she's in right now if she never married Bill?

Dammit, I wanted to say that.

 

But as much as it causes my Hamburger Helper to bubble back up the esophagus to type this, I agree with Czech. Even aside from his speaking skills and charisma, which are admittedly formidable, I do think he got lucky by being in the right time and the right race. America just seems like it's ready for a black President now in a way that it's never been before.

[Edwin MacPhisto 0]

Being black is being cooler than being a woman, I'll give you that.

[Dobbs 3K 0]

I heard on a local conservative talk radio show this morning an argument about whether Obama is really African-American (which the media calls him) or multi-racial, and if its a positive or negative. It was a pretty pointless discussion.

[The Niggardly King 0]

Much like anywhere else

[Atticus Chaos 0]

This just keeps getting better and better...

 

Ralph Nader, in a March 6 radio interview on WVON, said that one of Clinton's campaign aides told him, "We are going to take the boy down."

 

 

[Guest Beastalentier]

Man, just as Y2Jerk predicted a year or so ago, you guys are really taking delight in scavenging for racism.

 

Haha, WVON. Scary finger wiggle there.

[snuffbox 0]

Go Hillary. It's the only way the Republicans can win.

 

[Atticus Chaos 0]

Scavenging?

 

Hillary's campaign released a picture of him with a turban. Someone in her campaign said he was only in this position because he was black. Bill said Obama's victory in south carolina meant nothing because he only got those votes because of his race. Hillary started playing the race card long ago. Or just about the time she realized Barack was a threat. You don't have to look hard to find it, it's there.

 

Do I think Hilary is a racist? I don't know. But she's defiently not afraid to use race baiting to get her win. Looking at Bill's dreadful behaviour, despite being 'the first black president' it makes me wonder if maybe the Clinton's do like having this reputation of having done everything they could have to help the African American community, but perhaps resent one coming along and taking power from them.

[At Home 0]

While race and sex are immobile parts of this campaign, it should be taken to great lengths to avoid discussions about it. Because, frankly, they're no more than superficially important.

[Dobbs 3K 0]

Apparently Ferraro is resigning from her campaign post, after the controversy regarding her remarks on Obama.

 

What is this, like the dozenth high profile resignation from Clinton's campaign now?

[Guest Beastalentier]

Shame on The Movement for forcing her out the way they did, though I love watching the Democratic Party cannibalize its distinguished members who aren't youtubey enough. Watching people assault Hillary and Ferraro is kind of like watching people assault my mom or my grandmother. There's some deep part of my psyche that feels hurt when I watch what I have to watch here.

[At Home 0]

Shame on The Movement for forcing her out the way they did, though I love watching the Democratic Party cannibalize its distinguished members who aren't youtubey enough. Watching people assault Hillary and Ferraro is kind of like watching people assault my mom or my grandmother. There's some deep part of my psyche that feels hurt when I watch what I have to watch here.

 

Ferraro was a distinguished member? She was a veep nominee in like... 1984, right?

[Guest Beastalentier]

Yes, and that has to count for something in the elder statesman department, doesn't it?

[At Home 0]

Yes, and that has to count for something in the elder statesman department, doesn't it?

 

Well, she lost, and is pretty, you know, stupid. Not stupid for what she said, just the fact that she said it.

[Guest Beastalentier]

It's not stupid. What's stupid is that we're expect to pretend race has nothing to do with anything. How racist can she be? She's a Democrat in good standing!

 

I hope she's right and the Obama campaign won't be allowed to get away with their racist sexist bullshit ever again. ABOVE THE FRAY.

[Atticus Chaos 0]

No democrat in history has ever been a racist, of course.

[Guest Beastalentier]

You're obsessed with fabricating racism here. Are you black or just stupid?

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

If Obama were everything but half-black, John Edwards is exactly who he would've been: puppy-eyed support from the progressives and the youtube kids, but his ass would've been sent home long ago. Neither Edwards campaign was EVER close to the magnitude of the Obama movement.

 

You're completely ignoring the fact that Obama is about 10 times the public speaker Edwards is, is more charismatic, less sleazy, not a multimillionaire lawyer, AND wasn't part of the losing ticket in the last presidential election. Add that to the fact that Obama's campaign message was much more compelling than Edwards'.

[godthedog 0]

it's not racist, but it was an incredibly dumb thing to say. is it part of obama's APPEAL that he's black? yes, absolutely, it makes the whole "hope" message hit home a little more, and people get to feel good about themselves trying to get the first african american into the white house. and it would mean a good deal to a lot of black people in this country if a black man could really grow up to be president. because obama's black, clinton has no chance whatsoever of getting a significant support of blacks. that's a lot of voters, and it is a real issue.

 

THAT'S how you put it, not flatly saying "i think he's where he is right now largely because he's black." seriously, how can you echo almost exactly the rhetoric of ignorant complaints about affirmative action and not expect to be called racist? the implication in that statement is that obama, like other blacks who benefit from affirmative action, is fundamentally underqualified and is held to a categorically lower standard--which is absolutely untrue, and insulting to his accomplishments. it's like if she made some offhanded joke about obama getting to be "one of them uppity negroes," and tried to defend it by saying she didn't really mean it; it wouldn't matter if she meant it, it's an offensive thing to say, and it speaks an ignorance behind the history of words that people utter.

 

and her later defense of it, flippantly crying racism about her whiteness, was even worse. it reminded me of when charlton heston said, "why is it that when people say 'black power' it's a good thing, but when you say 'white power' or 'white pride' you sound racist?"

[snuffbox 0]

This watered-down version of Ann Coulter is really unappealing, Czech. If you like John McCain then defend him, talk about him. If you like Hillary, say why you do. Stop being a Marvin.

[Guest Beastalentier]

Oh, fuck you, pal, don't compare me to him. Clinton and McCain are equally acceptable to me, this guy isn't. Don't accuse me of being some agent provocateur when you've made the biggest ideological leap of anyone here.

[Atticus Chaos 0]

You're obsessed with fabricating racism here. Are you black or just stupid?

 

Neither. But I think you must be stupid if you seriously think a campaign that has included

 

- a picture of a candidate circulated with a turban to insinuate he is a secret Muslin

 

- The spouse of one of the candidates claiming a major primary win didn't mean anything because people only voted for him because he was black.

 

- one campaign aid hinting one of the candidate's was only in his position because of his race. And claimed people only endorsed him because he was black.

 

-campaign manager saying candidate has only won so many states because each one had a large African American population (you know like Maine, Iowa and Wisconsin)

 

- On upon being asked if said candidate was a Muslim, his opponent saying it was false 'as far as I know' despite the fact the two regularly attended Christian prayer meeting together in the past and she knows almost certainly he isn't.

 

- one campaign aid referring to this 46 year old man as 'boy'.

 

 

 

 

is not racially motivated at all.

 

[snuffbox 0]

Come on, Czech. You just tossed out a Nightwing canard that I shot into little bits weeks ago. I've explained why supporting Obama makes sense to me, as he's the only candidate who will probably cut my taxes considerably. And return some freedom. You, however, are just agreeing with everything Hillary (and any of her supporters) do or say to almost-funny effect. Seriously, did you have this high regard for Gerry fucking Ferraro this time last year? Nope. And you held Hillary in utter contempt until around February 2008.

[Guest Beastalentier]

I hadn't heard much from Gerry fucking Ferraro lately, but I admire her for speaking with some candor about the issues that everyone else is trying to tiptoe around. Old people who don't give a shit anymore are the best. Even if I don't agree with Hillary Clinton on everything, I've learned to admire and respect her, if nothing else. I have no place in my heart for some smooth-talking demagogue fueled by white guilt, but this entire thread is such an echo chamber for his adoring fans that I should just stop saying anything, lest people make threads in NHB to vote me off the board, too.

[snuffbox 0]

And why have you suddenly found this respect for Hillary?

 

I wont bother with Ferraro's courage since just saying "Lincoln" blows her handicapped theory way out of the water.

[EricMM 0]

you guys, stop being so surprised. Czech has been basically, at his root, anti-Obama for weeks and weeks now.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

If Hillary Clinton were a black man, it's unlikely that she would have been a national political figure for the past 15 years, as it's unlikely that she would have married another man from Arkansas, and unlikely that the country would have put an interracial, same sex couple in the White House. But so what? This is an election, not Marvel's "What If?" series.

 

http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/ezrakle..._name=what_if_1

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

Being black is being cooler than being a woman, I'll give you that.

 

Glenn Beck endorsed Condoleezza Rice today as a presidential cadidate he would vote for. Im guessing being black and being a woman equal out and she'd never stand a chance huh..oR would it because of something else?

[Atticus Chaos 0]

I always thought being a single, childless woman would actually be the one thing that stopped her being president.

[Guest Beastalentier]

She's a Republican, so she's a token, she doesn't count, correct, Eric?