Campaign 2008

[Nightwing 0]

Right now, I'd fear for Michigan, too. I mean, it doesn't help with the farce that Michigan Democratic Party initiated, but Dean's idiotic response to not seat anyone was stupid. Along with the Mayor of Detroit causing a hellstorm of problems in the one real reason why this state is still a Democrat, and it'll be interesting to see what happens come election day.

 

It's funny, really: the opposite thread in the Pit (I actually wandered over there) is mirroring this one almost exactly from the other side. This board needs a few decent Republicans, as the daily moaning in both these threads are not exactly conducive to interesting political discourse.

[Gary Floyd 0]

Lee. L. Mercer jr. for President.

 

Reason # 49 he's a "Darkhorse Candidate:

 

49. To Prove the United States Government killed my sex life, my wife sex life, my daughter-in –laws sex life both may sons and other of my family members sex life with Espionage Experimentation and Espionage Exploitation sex killing.

 

Reason 56:

56. To Prove Jeb Bush is all in my house with disease.

 

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

Hey, I posted that guy before.

[Nightwing 0]

I was just wondering this...

 

Does anyone feel like this is the last leg of the current Party System? I mean, we've been through a few iterations of it, but it feels like the Republicans (And even the Democrats, though to a lesser extent right now) are becoming more and more factionalized to the point where it feels like they are going to break off and/or shift in some way. Obviously it isn't likely for a full-on breakup of either party (Even if the Clintons manage to get Humphrey-esque nomination), but I'm wondering if anyone is feeling some sort of landscape change in the next few years?

[NoCalMike 0]

What shocked me was seeing Ohio polls that say Mccain is ahead of both Clinton and Obama in GE polls. I pray that's just because of the drawn out democratic battle and the majority aren't seriously thinking of voting for him.

 

How in the hell can Ohio possibly go red again? A lot of people there at at absolute breaking point, probably more than any other state, losing jobs, homes, soldiers and they're going to vote again for the party that has basically got them to that point ?

 

Seriously, I have to wonder whether voters in Ohio are sadomasochistic or something. I mean, how long before you realize you've been had?

 

At some point, you have to think a lot of voters get what they deserve. It's difficult to feel sorry for people who don't seem to want to help themselves.

 

Maybe because the "they'll raise your taxes and take your money" line of bullshit still works.

[NoCalMike 0]

I was just wondering this...

 

Does anyone feel like this is the last leg of the current Party System? I mean, we've been through a few iterations of it, but it feels like the Republicans (And even the Democrats, though to a lesser extent right now) are becoming more and more factionalized to the point where it feels like they are going to break off and/or shift in some way. Obviously it isn't likely for a full-on breakup of either party (Even if the Clintons manage to get Humphrey-esque nomination), but I'm wondering if anyone is feeling some sort of landscape change in the next few years?

 

I am not sure but it definately kind of feels like the Democrats are at a crossroads. They have one candidate that represents the status quo and another that is bringing in new voters and energizing the base. Either candidate is capable of winning the general election and honestly a lot of their policies are similar however they just have a completely different feel to them. I have said before, I am not really all THAT into Obama, I think he will be a much more centrist President then other people feel(I hope I am wrong) but I am just tired of the status quo. I think the Democrats have an oppurtunity to really show they are breaking the mold this election cycle with Obama and it would be a shame if they don't run with that oppurunity. Even if Obama ended up losing the general election, I would still like to see them as a party take the chance in 2008 that they wouldn't take with Dean in 2004.

[Atticus Chaos 0]

Maybe because the "they'll raise your taxes and take your money" line of bullshit still works

 

I think a lot of it is moral voting as well which is equally puzzling. Okay, you picked the guy who'll ensure two gay dudes can't get married, does that comfort you when your out on the street?

 

[Guest Vitamin X]

John McCain's temper is well documented. He's called opponents and colleagues "shitheads," "assholes" and in at least one case "a fucking jerk."...

 

Three reporters from Arizona, on the condition of anonymity, also let me in on another incident involving McCain's intemperateness. In his 1992 Senate bid, McCain was joined on the campaign trail by his wife, Cindy, as well as campaign aide Doug Cole and consultant Wes Gullett. At one point, Cindy playfully twirled McCain's hair and said, "You're getting a little thin up there." McCain's face reddened, and he responded, "At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you cunt." McCain's excuse was that it had been a long day. If elected president of the United States, McCain would have many long days.

 

From huffington via rawstory. That's hilarious.

[At Home 0]

I was just wondering this...

 

Does anyone feel like this is the last leg of the current Party System? I mean, we've been through a few iterations of it, but it feels like the Republicans (And even the Democrats, though to a lesser extent right now) are becoming more and more factionalized to the point where it feels like they are going to break off and/or shift in some way. Obviously it isn't likely for a full-on breakup of either party (Even if the Clintons manage to get Humphrey-esque nomination), but I'm wondering if anyone is feeling some sort of landscape change in the next few years?

 

It doesn't feel like that at all. The Clinton legacy and the Obama candidacy has been causing a rift between the party. Seems like a lot of party members jumped onto the Clinton boat pretty quickly in the beginning, but Obama picks up supers at a rate of like 5:1 over Clinton now. What do you mean by the "current Party System"? 2-party? No reason to change the 2-party system.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

No, that's not what he means.

[Nightwing 0]

We've had something around 5 (Wikipedia says 5, but I'm not sure if I trust them...) Party Systems. Party systems basically eras of dominant ideological battles: Federalist vs. Democratic Republican, Whig vs. Democrat, Democrat vs. Republican. The major shifts in party ideology and makeup (For example, when the Dixiecrats essentially defected from the old Democratic Party) also count as new systems. I'm wondering if we are seeing the end of the current one, which has been around since the Civil Rights movement. It feels like both parties are becoming increasingly divided within themselves that we might see one crack and change. My money is on the Republicans (Which seems to be splitting between Christian Right and Capitalist Right), but it is certainly possible with the Democrats (Clinton Establishment, Obama New Wave).

[PUT THAT DICK IN MY MOUTH! 0]

Along with the Mayor of Detroit causing a hellstorm of problems in the one real reason why this state is still a Democrat, and it'll be interesting to see what happens come election day.

 

I really don't think that Kwame Kilpatrick being a worthless piece of shit is going to have much of an impact on the election. The only people in the state who could conceivably be swayed by that whole farce are rich white people from Oakland County and they by and large vote Republican anyway. The rest of the state doesn't really care enough about Detroit to let what goes on there affect its political decisions. If Michigan does go for McCain (which it very well could) it's more likely to be because of what many see as Jennifer Granholm's less-than-stellar response to the state's various crippling economic woes.

[Nightwing 0]

Well the big concern is that the whole Kwame debacle is going to keep the Detroit machine from getting fully mobilized as he's trying to avoid whole "I committed perjury and tried to cover it up by settling for 8.4 Million dollars to keep the sordid text messages" thing. Detroit is the largest reason this state goes Democratic, and while Granholm definitely deserves some blame (Then again, so do the Republicans in the State Legislature, as well as Engler, who will continue to take blame for this mess until Michigan is crushed by a glacier again), the state of confusion in Detroit right now could be a deathblow to the "Blue Michigan".

[SuperJerk 0]

Being angry about a female president?

No, I think McCain is going to pick Gov. Sanford to be his running mate. McCain needs as more help getting conservatives lined up behind him as he does getting so-called independent voters.

[snuffbox 0]

Romney definitly wants it.

[SuperJerk 0]

1. As much as I'd enjoy another round of ripping on that guy, I think they're smart enough to realize what a liability he'd be.

 

2. Obama's economic message is almost tailor-made for places like Michigan.

[Nightwing 0]

1. As much as I'd enjoy another round of ripping on that guy, I think they're smart enough to realize what a liability he'd be.

 

2. Obama's economic message is almost tailor-made for places like Michigan.

 

Yes, but the problem is that the Michigan Democratic Party is ridiculous disarray, and the Republicans here are more powerful (and motivated) than people seem to realize. I mean, I know that any Democratic plan should really appeal to a Blue-Collar Manufacturing State, but with Kwame Kilpatrick tearing the Detroit political machine apart from the inside and Jenny Granholm basically being a symbol of irritating ineffectiveness, it's going to take a lot more than just that to get it to go blue again. And lets not forget that they are basically going to be ignored (At the moment) at the Democratic Convention. It's pretty disheartening, actually, when one lists it all out like that.

[SuperJerk 0]

Those are all good points. When you put it that way, I think the Democrats might stand a better chance if the nominee runs their campaign independently of the state's machinery. So are the Democrats in the state more mad at Granholm for the debacle, and not the national party for enforcing the rules?

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

Being angry about a female president?

No, I think McCain is going to pick Gov. Sanford to be his running mate.

 

Yeah, I was just kidding.

[Atticus Chaos 0]

Next, we'll see him run an ad saying: vote for me, I don't steal cars

 

 

Bill Clinton, talking about Obama's PA ads. Yes, he actually said that.

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn7Gq_8YxtE

[Guest Tzar Lysergic]

John McCain's temper is well documented. He's called opponents and colleagues "shitheads," "assholes" and in at least one case "a fucking jerk."...

 

Three reporters from Arizona, on the condition of anonymity, also let me in on another incident involving McCain's intemperateness. In his 1992 Senate bid, McCain was joined on the campaign trail by his wife, Cindy, as well as campaign aide Doug Cole and consultant Wes Gullett. At one point, Cindy playfully twirled McCain's hair and said, "You're getting a little thin up there." McCain's face reddened, and he responded, "At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you cunt." McCain's excuse was that it had been a long day. If elected president of the United States, McCain would have many long days.

 

From huffington via rawstory. That's hilarious.

 

Didn't know that about him. If he's that surly publicly, I'd vote for him in a second.

[snuffbox 0]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9535.html

 

Pathological lying is fundamental to a an American Leader.

[godthedog 0]

John McCain's temper is well documented. He's called opponents and colleagues "shitheads," "assholes" and in at least one case "a fucking jerk."...

 

Three reporters from Arizona, on the condition of anonymity, also let me in on another incident involving McCain's intemperateness. In his 1992 Senate bid, McCain was joined on the campaign trail by his wife, Cindy, as well as campaign aide Doug Cole and consultant Wes Gullett. At one point, Cindy playfully twirled McCain's hair and said, "You're getting a little thin up there." McCain's face reddened, and he responded, "At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you cunt." McCain's excuse was that it had been a long day. If elected president of the United States, McCain would have many long days.

 

From huffington via rawstory. That's hilarious.

 

i'm really torn. on the one hand, this probably means mccain calls his wife a cunt without irony on a regular basis, which is...well, evil. on the other hand, putting the words "cunt" and "trollop" in the same sentence is just brilliant.

[Firestarter 0]

B.O. Hussein = Jimmah Cahtah = the underpants gnomes

 

Step 1: Talk

Step 2: ?

Step 3: PEACE!

[Jorge Gorgeous 0]

B.O. Hussein

 

Honestly, why? Do you think it's funny, or... what?

[SamoaRowe 0]

B.O. Hussein = Jimmah Cahtah = the underpants gnomes

 

Step 1: Talk

Step 2: ?

Step 3: PEACE!

 

Even if that were true, that would still beat the current administration:

 

Step 1: Don't talk.

Step 2: Invade.

Step 3: ?

[At Home 0]

B.O. Hussein = Jimmah Cahtah = the underpants gnomes

 

Step 1: Talk

Step 2: ?

Step 3: PEACE!

 

Tack on Jack Kennedy to that too, if you want to play this game.

[The Niggardly King 0]

Obama at 3:24 enjoying the comedy stylings of Dave Chappelle

[Atticus Chaos 0]

Only in American politcs could a woman with $109 million in the bank and a guy married to a beer heiress with 8 homes, call the non millionaire candidate who grow up in a struggling single parent home an elitist.

[SuperJerk 0]

Only in America would someone's middle name be a campaign issue.