8/12 ROH Results

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Match 1: Ace Steel defeated Delirous, Matt Stryker, and Sterling James Keenan.  Said to be a short match.

 

Match 2: Cabana beats Spanky in a comedy match

 

Match 3: Whitmer and Jacobs over McGuinness & Collyer in a solid match. Collyer was said to be rocking a mohawk of DOOM~!

 

Match 4: Gen Next over Embassy  after Aries hit the 450. Matt Sydal is now a Member of Generation Next!

 

Match 5:Low Ki vs. Jay Lethal went to a NO CONTEST

 

Match 6: Matt Hardy over Homicide with a roll-up. Crowd was said to be displeased with Hardy winning.

 

Match 7: Jamie Gibson defeated Chris Daniels, CM Punk and Samoa Joe to win the ROH Title by Countering the Pepsi Plunge into a Tiger Driver 2000(Top rope tiger driver_

 

Credit; ROh message Board

 

Guess Gibson didn't leave with his dick in his hand this time.

[Carnival 0]

NEW CHAMP! And isn't Gibson on his way back to the E?

 

thanks for the results.

[DangerousDamon 0]

NEW CHAMP! And isn't Gibson on his way back to the E?

 

thanks for the results.

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Last I heard both Gibson and Spanky were headed back to the E, but nobody knows when.

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Damn I thought this was Delirious' best shot at an ROH win finally.

 

With Gibson leaving , they are having another 2 month short term champ? The Punk thing was innovative and shocking. This isn't. So we'll get a couple alleged "dream match" defenses , I guess.

 

I thought either Punk would retain or a freshly heel turned Alex Shelley and the Embassy would sneak their way into the match by taking someone out.

 

And how long before GN does the Ole Anderson on Sydal. Over/ under =6 months?

[DangerousDamon 0]

Damn I thought this was Delirious' best shot at an ROH win finally.

 

With Gibson leaving , they are having another 2 month short term champ? The Punk thing was innovative and shocking. This isn't. So we'll get a couple alleged  "dream match" defenses , I guess.

 

I thought either Punk would retain or a freshly heel turned Alex Shelley and the Embassy would sneak their way into the match by taking someone out.

 

And how long before GN does the Ole Anderson on Sydal. Over/ under =6 months?

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GN will probably take out Sydal once Evans gets back. It doesn't really make a lot of sense to have 2 highflyers in one group.

[bob_barron 0]

THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN!~

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Maybe if Strong gets his singles push then Evans/Sydal will team regularly for a while before that happens. They do have a match of experience together (Reborn :Stage 2).

 

Then maybe Evans will take to bending the rules and Sydal will disagree and then he gets booted.

[Guest *KNK*]

My live thoughts

 

I waited months for tonight. It came, after a long eternity. A short wait in the line, after witnessing the hilarity of one Homicide selling his mercandisce outside the venue to the fans.

 

Entered the building and it’s the same old exhausting old ballroom. Heat sweltering already. I found my seats. Row 2. Seat 10.

 

In between to young people, One of which was a piece of shit kid if I may say so for a obviously no older then 5 years old and the most DELIGHTFUL young girl who certainly made this night so much fun.

 

That five year old girl was smarter and more intelligent then 90% you people here.

 

The opening match was easily forgettable. In fact I can only really recall the usual opening antics of Delirious. Ace Steel got the win in a very weak opener.

 

Colt Cabana and Spanky worked a short but sweet comedy match resulting in a furious streak of bits from Cabana and Spanky bringing the comedy. Cabana wins with a textbook cradle. Good short comedy match.

 

BJ Whitmer and Jimmy Jacobs Vs Collyer and McGuiness was so entirely apathetic to watch, However I went into the match not caring, so I shouldn’t be commenting on this. Its not fair. JesHuss won with an impressive finisher that I already forgot. Even the HUSS! Chants seemed tried and old.

 

Six Man Tag Match.

What a fucking war this was. This woke the crowd up in a big fucking way. Amazing spots and great action and old school heeling from the Embassy. I put them above both Six mans in Dayton in 2004. A simply superb match but Abyss got hardly any action until AFTER the match where he killed the Gen Next.

 

Intermission.

 

Okay, so it was really hot. Not quite as bad as 5.13 was though. The line at the concessions moved slowly…so I missed the first 10-12 minutes of the Low Ki and Lethal match, I literally returned as they started to have a really sick brawl on the bleachers…match ended with a spot I couldn’t make out but it was through a table…Homicide came out and assisted Low Ki in the beat down until Matt Hardy made a HUGE run in with a great pop.

 

Against Homicide? Matt was a HUGE heel. I would say 95% for Homicide. Hardy was getting soundly booed but not in a Jeff Hardy way. Homicide was just really over. Sadly a great 20 minute match was marred by the WWE finish that completely pissed off the fans telling matt “GET THE FUCK OUT!” “FUCK YOU MATT” “GO BACK TO NEW YORK!”… However Matt was able to keep with the pace of the ROH style though incorporated his WWE trademarks. There was a good handful of Mfers in the crowd who couldn’t really get their voices heard over the loyal ROH crowd.

 

Then…The fucking match of all fucking matches…

 

First out was Daniel, to a MONSTER pop. Daniels reveled in this moment, followed by Gibson with more substantial reaction and Samoa Joe came out to his usual overness…Punk had a mixed crowd of emotions.

 

A little stall to start but it was going 50 minutes…It didn’t hurt.

 

I’m not going to review this match. I cant do it justice. It was quite honestly the most INTENSE and EMOTIONAL 45-50 minutes I ever spent in a wrestling venue. Everything felt so perfect, so magical, the crowd was godly. The heat didn’t effect their efforts. So many great and cute spots and brilliant work by Punk.

 

The screwy finish to the elimination of Daniels was just a touch of greatness with Punk, although not original but effective, pushed the leg of Daniels off the rope and Daniels was counted as “passed out” in Joe’s choke. Daniels, moments later via accident knocked down Joe enough for Punk to capitalize on it with a Rollup for the victory…

 

So we thought. About 15 minutes earlier, CM Punk took out Gibson and Gibson was carried to the back…Everyone knew he was coming back. In what was the most amazing and emotional segment in ROH HISTORY, CM Punk was finally dethroned by James Gibson via a Top Rope sitout powerbomb and the pop was DEAFING. For 15 minutes, the fans all soaked up and the back came out in honor of Gibson in truly touching moment. Gibson cut a quick but emotional promo, putting this night on top of his career as more important then WrestleMania and any other titles…

 

“Thank You Punk!” chant resonated as Punk choked back tears and literally handed the torch over as he walked out with Ace and Colt.

The emotions to describe tonight don’t exist. It was without question the greatest night in my life as a wrestling fan.

 

The brilliance of this match and the poignant work…It’s better then anything we may ever see. What amazes me? Chicago will be even more emotional.

 

Tonight was one special night in Dayton.

[bob_barron 0]

I'm selfish and all, but couldn't Gibson have won it in on the East? I mean so I could run around screaming THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN!

[DangerousDamon 0]

I'm selfish and all, but couldn't Gibson have won it in on the East? I mean so I could run around screaming THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN!

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LOL, that would be hilarious hearing that on a dvd.

[bob_barron 0]

I always yell: JAMIE BAH GOD GIBSON, THE REDNECK MESSIAH, THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN and MOUNTAINEER PRIDE whenever Jamie wrestles

[zyn081 0]

Im not critisising the booking at all, just asking what people think. Would it have made more sense if Daniels was in the Gibson spot and Gibson was pushed out of the ring by Punk? And isnt Gibson another champion who cant stay for long?

[The Buzz 0]

i just think this is what Gabe wanted to do before Gibson got the contract and decided to go with it anyway.

[Guest OSIcon]

Gibson's story his entire run in ROH was that he wanted to win a title, specifically the World title. Gibson was almost definitely scheduled to win the title before he resigned with the WWE as everything was building towards that. This win was just paying off that storyline in the way it would have been paid off had nothing come up.

 

I think it is a fine move. They aren't going to be "recycling" the Punk storyline. The Punk story was that he wanted to leave with the title. Gibson is a face so the focus won't be on defeating him before he "leaves" with the title. Tonight in Chicago, he'll probably cut a promo saying he is going to defend it on every show until he leaves and if he is still champ, he will hand the title back to ROH for a tournament or something.

 

I would be surprised if he doesn't lose before then though. He faces Homicide next week and Danielson returns on 9/17. I could see either of those guys taking it from him.

[Guest *KNK*]

Gibson doesnt have a set date to return to WWE for the moment, ROH fans might finally be willing to accept that not every reign has to be 20 months long.

 

Gibson will be doing a "dream match" tour with the title. It's entirely different situation here then with Punk.

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But it seems to be the concensus that he's going back in the fall which means another short two/ three month run. And from the reaction, quite a few people aren't willing to just blindly accept another short transition reign to another guy known to be leaving anyway just because GABE booked it.

 

Punk's was different because he went total dickhead heel which contributed to the whole angle. If Gibson turns heel, it's a virtual copy of the Punk angle and if he doesn't, it's basically just giving the guy the title just to give the guy the title and do a couple of "dream" defenses.

 

Did they really, really have THAT much invested in the Gibson/ Punk thing that he just had to go through with Gibson winning the belt? I know there were a couple confrontations but it's not like it was a "feud" per se.

[Guest *KNK*]

The moment Gibson came in, he was intent on getting the belt.

 

There's no reason Gabe should change the booking he built up for months just because Gibson will only be around for 2 more months.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I wouldn't mind Gibson getting the belt for a short-term reign if it wasn't the second consecutive short-term reign in the belts lineage.

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The moment Gibson came in, he was intent on getting the belt.

 

There's no reason Gabe should change the booking he built up for months just because Gibson will only be around for 2 more months.

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To me , there is . If for no other reason , then the reason that HTQ just mentioned.

[King Cucaracha 0]

That's if Noble is going back soon.

 

It's concievable that he won't be hired back officially for a few months. And even then, add a few months on to that before he gets TV time, Matt Hardy and Punk have been working shows for the past couple of months while contracted to the WWE. And even then, Hardy's been on TV and working ROH still. It's concievable that Gibson could be working for ROH right up until December. While WWE are on good terms with ROH, Im sure Gabe can make sure Gibson is around for long enough to prevent a hotshot title reign, if he wants too.

 

I don't agree with the decision though. Daniels would have been the smart choice, he'll likely be the one to dethrone Gibson anyway, he's sticking around.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

The problem is the fans still know that Gibson is going to lose the title real soon. There is no genuine uncertainty over how long he'll keep the belt, because the RoH fans know it won't be for long, if that.

[King Cucaracha 0]

True. As long as he's definately going to the E, I guess it is 'a matter of time'. And even though it's just rumour, there's not a whole lot they can do to squash the rumours either, because it's been common knowledge ever since Noble left that he'd be brought back eventually.

[DMann2003 0]

Thought I'd bring this up here, since this thread's getting more looks, I bought the following DVD's at the show last night-

 

"Bitter Friends, Stiffer Enemies"

"War of the Wire"

"World Title Classic"

"Joe vs Punk II"

"Manhattan Mayhem"

 

What's the consensus on these titles?

[Youth N Asia 0]

I'm only up to Jan 04 with my ROH viewing, so I can't help much.

 

I didn't care much for Stiffer enemies, I remember Corino and Homicide being good, but not much else stands out on the card, not even Joe vs Punk.

 

War of the Wire is decient. Xaiver and Walters have a pretty good match. And Joe vs AJ is good.

 

Everyone seems to have a boner for Manhattan Mayhem. Can't comment on it though

[Slingshot Suplex 0]

All good shows. Manhattan Mayhem gets a lot of hype as being one of the best two or three shows this year

[Guest OSIcon]

If Gibson wasn't going back to the WWE, he was definitely the best option to take the belt off of Punk. Not only had they been building towards a Gibson title reign since his first show in ROH, but they also were building towards Gibson beating Punk from the moment Punk became champion. That is seven months of booking invested in Gibson trying to become a champion in ROH (if you watch all the shows from Gibson's debut, almost everyone deals with his desire to become a champion in ROH) and 3 months of building towards Punk/Gibson.

 

In my eyes, that is a lot of time invested in one angle. You don't simply abandon all of that build or else Gibson's time in ROH would have been virtually meaningless. Not to mention there weren't many better options. I like seeing stuff play out in a logical storyline fashion regardless of whether that means Gibson is going to have a short and "predictable" title reign

 

A side note - - I don't really view Punk's title reign as "short". He won the title, had four successful title defenses, and lost the title. That really isn't ultra short no matter what promotion you are looking at be it the WWE, any of the Japan promotions, ect. It's funny that when Xavier had the title and during the early portion of Joe's title reign, people were predicting title switches a few defenses in. Not nesecarily out of dislike for either guys, but just because that seemed like the norm. Now after Joe's title reign, a reign of less than 6 months is seen as "too short".

[Jericholic82 0]

man I need to get some ROH dvds.

 

Ill be moving back to NY soon so maybe I can actually go to a roh show finally.

[Guest Biggles]

I don't see anything wrong with Gibson winning the belt. It isn't like he hasn't earned it. He has been the MVP of ROH the last 6 months and I think that contract or no contract, he was due to win it sooner or later. Gibson will go over huge as champion and hopefully, he'll retire the belt, leading to a great tourny for the belt.

[TheInsane 0]

To be honest the first thing that came to my mind was the phrase:

 

"To win the ROH championship you just have to get a contract with WWE".

 

With that being said I think its nice that they do things that no one expects. And I guess they have a safety in that ROH and WWE work together quite a bit nowadays. I just want WWE to send ROH some of their cameras and some new mikes for the commentator (or why not kick him out while we're at it?). Right now I dont even want to watch ROH because of the commentary which takes away from the whole experience for me.

[HollywoodSpikeJenkins 0]

I don't really like the Gibson title reign. Sure, I may be getting ahead of myself, but even with all this "Since his debut, he wanted the title" story you guys are pushing, it just doesn't feel right.

 

 

 

With Joe, he had a 22 month title reign and became a monster.

With Aries, he beat the "unbeatable" monster and defended the title more times that Joe did in his first 6 months. The title became too much of a burden on him and he ended up with a "neck injury" that cost him the title.

With Punk, he was an asshole who wanted to take the title with him to the WWE. Everyone was out to stop him so that ROH could keep it's world title.

 

 

With Gibson, it's just...hey...he's James Gibson. He's a good wrestler who is over because he was in the WWE. Let's give him the title!

 

I'm just not into his title reign.

 

 

 

And I was at Manhattan Mayhem, it's a *great* show. I bought it on DVD the week it came out.