WWE news on the Ultimate Warrior DVD

[Guest I miss Test.]

I downloaded it.  It was interesting to me because I wasn't watching WWF in the early 90's, and learned about Warrior.  It also showed what hypocritical assholes WWE are.

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Hypocritical assholes?

 

They are criticizing a rather vocal homophobe and a guy who insults the crippled and those dying of cancer.

 

They weren't "burying" fucking Gandhi here.

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1) How does Warrior insulting the crippled and being a homophobe give a reason to create a DVD just to bury someone? Austin beats women. Likely, a majority of WWE wrestlers have been total scumbags. Do they all deserve the same fate?

 

2) I'll be in the minority on this since I'm a cold bitch... but, if you're going to show the hatred that Heenan showed towards Warrior, you're fair game for anything verbal that comes your way.

 

3) Hypocritical? Let's see. HHH saying anyone is unprofessional. WWE saying Warrior was only in the business for the money, while you have Hulk Hogan right fucking there. WWE ragging on Warrior for changing his name, and not mentioning that he WON the case in court. WWE yammering on about Warrior's horrible workrate, considering the amount of useless lugs they've pushed down our throats. Can really go on and on with this one.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

I thought they put over Warrior's strengths while recognizing his obvious weaknesses, and then revealing some "insider" things, quite nicely. It was boring, but he wasn't totally buried.

 

How were they being hypocritical? 'Cause Ross said the 80's WWF was full of hosses? That's not hypocrital, find a dictionary.

 

I'd love to see your rationale. Every "burial" comment about the Warrior, from his lack of drawing power, to his terrible scummy business moves, to his not being appreciative (and that's DIBIASE, not WWF saying this) of the WWF jobbing Hogan, Andre, DiBiase, Savage, Honky, Rude, etc. to him convincingly, is TRUE.

[Guest MikeSC]

I downloaded it.  It was interesting to me because I wasn't watching WWF in the early 90's, and learned about Warrior.  It also showed what hypocritical assholes WWE are.

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Hypocritical assholes?

 

They are criticizing a rather vocal homophobe and a guy who insults the crippled and those dying of cancer.

 

They weren't "burying" fucking Gandhi here.

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1) How does Warrior insulting the crippled and being a homophobe give a reason to create a DVD just to bury someone? Austin beats women. Likely, a majority of WWE wrestlers have been total scumbags. Do they all deserve the same fate?

 

2) I'll be in the minority on this since I'm a cold bitch... but, if you're going to show the hatred that Heenan showed towards Warrior, you're fair game for anything verbal that comes your way.

 

3) Hypocritical? Let's see. HHH saying anyone is unprofessional. WWE saying Warrior was only in the business for the money, while you have Hulk Hogan right fucking there. WWE ragging on Warrior for changing his name, and not mentioning that he WON the case in court. WWE yammering on about Warrior's horrible workrate, considering the amount of useless lugs they've pushed down our throats. Can really go on and on with this one.

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1) What, precisely, was said that was untrue? It's not "burial" if it ALSO happens to be accurate. It's simply reporting reality.

 

Warrior wasn't portrayed as a scumbag in his DVD. Just as a blithering idiot who pissed away a career. Which is true.

 

If they ever do a long Austin feature, don't think him walking about in 2002 won't get some mention.

 

2) Fair enough.

 

3) Warrior WAS unprofessional. Just because it's Hunter saying it doesn't make it less true. Hogan, for all of his faults, has done more for the business than Warrior ever did. And so what if Warrior won his case in court. He changed his name to WARRIOR. Do you recognize how much of a complete idiot you have to be to change your name to WARRIOR? It's ridiculous.

 

And because WWE pushes other useless lugs (though none as useless have been World Champ outside of Goldberg, mind you) doesn't make Warrior's significant, obvious, and notable flaws less real.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

1) How does Warrior insulting the crippled and being a homophobe give a reason to create a DVD just to bury someone? Austin beats women. Likely, a majority of WWE wrestlers have been total scumbags. Do they all deserve the same fate?

 

Austin beating women has nothing to do with THE WWF. Warrior HOLDING A PPV UP FOR MONEY DOES. Warrior failing drug tests does. Warrior not knowing how to work does. Warrior's lack of heat mid-90s to forward does. Austin's personal beating women schedule has NOTHING to do with wrestling or the WWF. This DVD ripped Warrior's WRESTLING CAREER, because he's a fucking prick.

 

2) I'll be in the minority on this since I'm a cold bitch... but, if you're going to show the hatred that Heenan showed towards Warrior, you're fair game for anything verbal that comes your way.

 

He didn't show hatred, he used examples (which were backed up with video footage) to explain why Warrior was a horrible worker.

 

3) Hypocritical? Let's see. HHH saying anyone is unprofessional. WWE saying Warrior was only in the business for the money, while you have Hulk Hogan right fucking there. WWE ragging on Warrior for changing his name, and not mentioning that he WON the case in court. WWE yammering on about Warrior's horrible workrate, considering the amount of useless lugs they've pushed down our throats. Can really go on and on with this one.

 

Triple H is one of the best workers in the world. It's not 2002 anymore, get a new reason to hate WWE. Would Benoit's title win have meant as much if he made, say, HBK or Big Show tap out at WM 20?

 

Hogan, as far as we know, never HELD UP THE COMPANY FOR ***MONEY***. He never blatantly NO-SHOWED advertised events, or PPV EVENTS (IYH: Int. Incident). He was in the business for money, like many workers are. But he paid his dues. He worked Japan. He worked WWF. He worked AWA. He kept going and going. Warrior ran away at the first sign that he wasn't as over as Hogan.

 

And about the name thing...Warrior's name was MADE in the WWF. He briefly worked in WCCW as the "Dingo Warrior", but no one knew who he was until he came to Titan. It's their intellectual property and they deserved to keep it.

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BTW, how would you feel, if in 1998 WCW, Benoit put the Crossface on, say, Goldberg, at STARRCADE...and Goldberg simply threw him off in 1 second and squashed him.

 

I don't think Warrior was supposed to no-sell the Pedigree. Just kick out. It was absolutely pathetic.

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BTW, MikeSC, Warrior and Goldberg were better workers than Batista. Don't let the suit fool you.

[Guest MikeSC]

I'm HARDLY a Batista fan --- but his work is better than almost all of either man's work.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

Eh, I hate all 3, but Warrior and Goldberg were more exciting during their peaks and had better matches (cough, carryjobs) than Batista has yet to have.

 

Batista owns them in storylines and coolness by far, though.

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

Not that I want to get involved in this argument, but UsetheSledgeHammerUh should know that Hogan bailed out in 2003 in the middle of the Mr. America storyline over MONEY.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

Far be it for us to sully you in our discussion, 146 post king.

 

And that was what, 24 years after he began his first run? Not 4. It wasn't like the company had just put Hogan over Austin, The Rock, Triple H, Kane, Undertaker in succession a few years into his career and Hulk said "I'm better than what you're paying me!" He probably wanted more, Vince said no, and they OBVIOUSLY settled mutually by aborting the angle and temporarily parting ways.

[Guest MikeSC]

And it's not like Mr. America was one of the major angles at the time. It was a vehicle to get the useless Gowan over.

[Guest I miss Test.]

Austin beating women has nothing to do with THE WWF. Warrior HOLDING A PPV UP FOR MONEY DOES. Warrior failing drug tests does. Warrior not knowing how to work does. Warrior's lack of heat mid-90s to forward does. Austin's personal beating women schedule has NOTHING to do with wrestling or the WWF. This DVD ripped Warrior's WRESTLING CAREER, because he's a fucking prick.

 

Umm, yeah... but we were talking about how Warrior is this awful person outside of his WWF career.

 

He didn't show hatred, he used examples (which were backed up with video footage) to explain why Warrior was a horrible worker.

 

And he also mentioned that nobody in the world likes the guy, amongst other things that I don't want to relook now.

 

Triple H is one of the best workers in the world. It's not 2002 anymore, get a new reason to hate WWE. Would Benoit's title win have meant as much if he made, say, HBK or Big Show tap out at WM 20?

 

He fucks the boss's daughter. That makes you unprofessional. And what the hell does this have to do with me hating WWE?

 

Hogan, as far as we know, never HELD UP THE COMPANY FOR ***MONEY***. He never blatantly NO-SHOWED advertised events, or PPV EVENTS (IYH: Int. Incident). He was in the business for money, like many workers are. But he paid his dues.

 

Yes, Warrior did the big no-no by no-showing an event. But, still, hypocritical to show Hulk Hogan as the innocent, virtuous one.

 

And about the name thing...Warrior's name was MADE in the WWF. He briefly worked in WCCW as the "Dingo Warrior", but no one knew who he was until he came to Titan. It's their intellectual property and they deserved to keep it.

 

I'll take a court's judgment over your opinion on that one.

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Hogan wasn't shown as virtuous, at all. Hogan even admitted that he's gotten pissy about money, but he never did what Warrior did, was all. Hogan put Warrior as a person over, "I like Jim, I like Warrior". Jeez, Hogan even took credit for the HHavoc match sucking "I had some stupid ideas, etc."

[Guest MikeSC]

Austin beating women has nothing to do with THE WWF. Warrior HOLDING A PPV UP FOR MONEY DOES. Warrior failing drug tests does. Warrior not knowing how to work does. Warrior's lack of heat mid-90s to forward does. Austin's personal beating women schedule has NOTHING to do with wrestling or the WWF. This DVD ripped Warrior's WRESTLING CAREER, because he's a fucking prick.

Umm, yeah... but we were talking about how Warrior is this awful person outside of his WWF career.

Just that he never appreciated the push he received, which seems to be a quite fair critique. Vince openly said that he didn't let most people know the real him.

He didn't show hatred, he used examples (which were backed up with video footage) to explain why Warrior was a horrible worker.

And he also mentioned that nobody in the world likes the guy, amongst other things that I don't want to relook now.

Can you actually say Heenan is wrong? You don't see people coming out to defend the guy.

Triple H is one of the best workers in the world. It's not 2002 anymore, get a new reason to hate WWE. Would Benoit's title win have meant as much if he made, say, HBK or Big Show tap out at WM 20?

He fucks the boss's daughter. That makes you unprofessional. And what the hell does this have to do with me hating WWE?

How is fucking his WIFE unprofessional? She's the boss' daughter? So be it. He didn't get married and all to simply protect his career. That's conspiratorial nonsense.

Hogan, as far as we know, never HELD UP THE COMPANY FOR ***MONEY***. He never blatantly NO-SHOWED advertised events, or PPV EVENTS (IYH: Int. Incident). He was in the business for money, like many workers are. But he paid his dues.

Yes, Warrior did the big no-no by no-showing an event. But, still, hypocritical to show Hulk Hogan as the innocent, virtuous one.

Warrior no-showed numerous events. And they didn't portray Hogan as anything but a draw (which he was up until the 1990's). They didn't comment on anything else about him.

And about the name thing...Warrior's name was MADE in the WWF. He briefly worked in WCCW as the "Dingo Warrior", but no one knew who he was until he came to Titan. It's their intellectual property and they deserved to keep it.

I'll take a court's judgment over your opinion on that one.

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Good for the courts. It's done Hellwig a ton of good since he won the case.

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My main point is that they just did this DVD and it's a one sided trashing of the guy. If Warrior was actually on the DVD to defend himself (which he refused I guess, can't say I blame him) then I wouldn't have a problem with it.

 

What were they really trying to accomplish with this DVD? If it was to bury the Warrior I don't think it really worked all that well. If anything it made me sorta feel sorry for him.

[Guest I miss Test.]

Just that he never appreciated the push he received, which seems to be a quite fair critique. Vince openly said that he didn't let most people know the real him.

 

I'm not disputing what you and the other one say here... but again, what does this have to do with Warrior being a homophobe and a generally bad person?

 

Can you actually say Heenan is wrong? You don't see people coming out to defend the guy.

 

Yes, I can. It's right in the DVD where Hogan says he likes Hellwig. And as far as other people in the wrestling business not defending Warrior... this DVD shows why.

 

How is fucking his WIFE unprofessional? She's the boss' daughter? So be it. He didn't get married and all to simply protect his career. That's conspiratorial nonsense.

 

It doesn't matter if he loves Stephanie with all his heart... screwing around with the boss's daughter hurts the morale of the company, and has affected the decision-making. I'm sure you're aware of the reasons why workplaces don't wish to have relationships between their workers.

 

Warrior no-showed numerous events. And they didn't portray Hogan as anything but a draw (which he was up until the 1990's). They didn't comment on anything else about him.

 

So, we're only going to go by what the WWE portrays in the DVD?

 

Good for the courts. It's done Hellwig a ton of good since he won the case.

 

Apparently it did mean a lot to him. So, kudos to Jim.

 

What were they really trying to accomplish with this DVD? If it was to bury the Warrior I don't think it really worked all that well. If anything it made me sorta feel sorry for him.

 

Those are my thoughts in a nutshell. Except for pointing out that Hellwig held Vince up for more money, and pointing out the guy's insanity... it was just cheap shots at Hellwig that they made up to fill this "controversial" DVD.

[Guest MikeSC]

I'm not disputing what you and the other one say here... but again, what does this have to do with Warrior being a homophobe and a generally bad person?

 

Warrior is a dick. You should reserve your concern about somebody getting "buried" for somebody who is less than rather loathesome.

 

Can you actually say Heenan is wrong? You don't see people coming out to defend the guy.

Yes, I can. It's right in the DVD where Hogan says he likes Hellwig. And as far as other people in the wrestling business not defending Warrior... this DVD shows why.

 

What? That he's an unprofessional whackjob?

 

How is fucking his WIFE unprofessional? She's the boss' daughter? So be it. He didn't get married and all to simply protect his career. That's conspiratorial nonsense.

It doesn't matter if he loves Stephanie with all his heart... screwing around with the boss's daughter hurts the morale of the company, and has affected the decision-making. I'm sure you're aware of the reasons why workplaces don't wish to have relationships between their workers.

 

I'm ALSO aware that they happen regardless. And if he married her, kudos to him for finding happiness.

 

Warrior no-showed numerous events. And they didn't portray Hogan as anything but a draw (which he was up until the 1990's). They didn't comment on anything else about him.

So, we're only going to go by what the WWE portrays in the DVD?

 

Since your critique is their treatment of Warrior, it does seem to be a fair path to traverse.

 

Good for the courts. It's done Hellwig a ton of good since he won the case.

Apparently it did mean a lot to him. So, kudos to Jim.

Not Jim. Just WARRIOR, now. This is one of those "wins" that does you no good.

 

What were they really trying to accomplish with this DVD? If it was to bury the Warrior I don't think it really worked all that well. If anything it made me sorta feel sorry for him.

Those are my thoughts in a nutshell. Except for pointing out that Hellwig held Vince up for more money, and pointing out the guy's insanity... it was just cheap shots at Hellwig that they made up to fill this "controversial" DVD.

You've not really demonstrated "made up" cheap shots --- just that they didn't rip everybody who ever worked for the company in its history.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

BTW, MikeSC, Warrior and Goldberg were better workers than Batista. Don't let the suit fool you.

 

I'd have to disagree here. I've enjoyed Batista / HHH more than any Goldberg / HHH encounter. Besides, Batista can actually sell / try to sell unlike the other two.

[kirk angel 0]

If Hogan had just handed the belt to Warrior and walked away, leaving the spotlight to Warrior on his own, then I might agree. But Hogan milked that whole deal for all he could get. He made sure to take his time and make sure people remembered how gracious he was in losing the match, so that he got the most out of the match, and not Warrior.

Was Bret stealing the spotlight from The British Bulldog after he lost the IC title to him and they hugged after the match? When 2 faces wrestle each other it is pretty common for something like that to happen after the match. Maybe not as much anymore but back when face vs face matches rarely happened it was very common to see them at least shake hands after the match

[SuperJerk 0]

2/10, you didn't use "normals" or mentions crashing the plane into parts unknown.

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Oh, but I *did* crash the plane.

[Guest MikeSC]

That was SO predictable. Warriorosity would have made the plane fly high --- higher than EVER!!!

 

*snort*

[Hogan Made Wrestling 0]

So am I the only one who thinks they intentionally picked guys like HHH to call the Warrior "unprofessional", because they knew a certain segment of their fanbase would react to it? (and even if WWE doesn't care much about the internet fans in general, they know those fans are a decent percentage of the DVD-purchasing crowd) It seems that by having certain people make outlandish statements they attract buyers based on the "car crash factor" whereas if was guys like Bret Hart trashing the Warrior I doubt many people would give a shit.

[Guest Duke_The_Dog]

So does the FYE DVD really have: The second disc of the DVD (a disc exclusive to FYE retail outlets) shows Chris Benoit, Triple H and Batista doing their own Ultimate Warrior impersonations, which include mocking the way he cut promos, shaking the ropes, and also mocking his attire. There is also a blooper reel that shows him botching his moves, tripping while coming down to the ring and styuffing up in interviews and bloopers.

 

 

 

 

 

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So does the FYE DVD really have: The second disc of the DVD (a disc exclusive to FYE retail outlets) shows Chris Benoit, Triple H and Batista doing their own Ultimate Warrior impersonations, which include mocking the way he cut promos, shaking the ropes, and also mocking his attire. There is also a blooper reel that shows him botching his moves, tripping while coming down to the ring and styuffing up in interviews and bloopers.

I didn't see this. I can look closer though

[Coolclint 0]

In Hogan's defense (that he was ONLY in it for the money), he was a fan of the business before he got into it. Warrior was a failed bodybuilding experiment that found he could make money in wrestling by being a nut.

 

Hogan got in, hit paydirt, and then (in his own mind, at the very least) had ideas that helped make him (and everyone else, mind you) more money. Warrior, best I can tell, never had any big ideas that helped make any money. He just did his thing.

[Guest The Mandingo Warrior]

I just watched this DVD, and I thought the only parts that were really a 'burial' were Heenan's total trashing of the Warrior.

 

They did give Warrior credit for his attire, intensity, phyisque and drawing power (pre - world title),

 

Lets face it - Warrior was a pretty good draw right up until the point where the WWE had no one to face him, so they just rehashed the Rick Rude feud.

 

In other words, I think it would be fair to say that he drew well right up until his title win. Steve Lombardi mention this - that he was drawing well, and even went so far as to calling the warrior a 'total package' even if it was only for a time.

 

I think that Heenan came across as a little too harsh - and some of the footage didn't exactly corroborate what he was saying. For example, he talks about "being dropped on his face" from the press slam at WM5, when the footage shows Heenan basically rolling down Warriors back, and his face never touched anything. Another point was that he said warrior "just walked out from under him". Well, what in the world was he expecting him to do? that was HIS MOVE for god's sakes! He did that to everyone. That would be like saying that a hulk hogan opponent wasn't expecting a legdrop after the big boot. He should have known what was coming. Sorry, I love bobby heenan, but I thought he came across as being overly bitter, when everyone else at least gave the warrior some degree of credit. After all the guy was hugely popular for a few years, and did main even wrestlemania.

 

Heenan made it sound like the Warrior got to where he did by shear luck all all alone. The warrior deserves at least some credit.

 

(as you can tell, I was a HUGE warrior fan when I was a kid!)

 

I also don't understand why Hogan keeps insisting that no one cared when Warrior was celebrating in the ring at WM6 and that everyone was actually watching Hogan leave.

 

I was there, and as far as I could tell, people cared that Warrior was celebrating.

 

How could I tell? Simple - hardly anyone left until Warrior did. The only section in skydome that left was the sections right underneath the "Jumbotron" since all the fireworks were right above them.

 

To me, if you stay and watch, you care.

 

if you don't, you leave early. At least thats what I would think that most people do.

[Promoter 0]

I'm going to have to agree about Warrior not having any real threatening contenders as world champion and that hurt some of his drawing power. We had just seen Rude and Warrior 7 months prior battling for the IC title at SummerSlam. How likely would people believe Rude had a chance of dethroning the man who cleanly beat Hogan the following spring? The time Warrior's reign started picking up steam was the Savage altercation and then he lost to Slaughter of all people. The people did care when Warrior defeated Hogan. Now, it should also be noted that Warrior got boos in some places because he pinned Hogan too.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Yeah, a friend got me the Collector's Edition of the Warrior DVD from FYE, he said it was the last one they had and apparantly its out of print now.

 

So does the FYE DVD really have: The second disc of the DVD (a disc exclusive to FYE retail outlets) shows Chris Benoit, Triple H and Batista doing their own Ultimate Warrior impersonations, which include mocking the way he cut promos, shaking the ropes, and also mocking his attire. There is also a blooper reel that shows him botching his moves, tripping while coming down to the ring and styuffing up in interviews and bloopers.

 

From what I've seen, no. It just has the 3 matches, that's it. I really wish they had the Warrior / Slaughter Rumble match instead, I enjoyed that a lot.

 

 

Overall, watching the DVD, I think WWE for the most part did a fair and balanced view on the Warrior. It basically confirmed what was only reported through dirt sheets back in the day about Warrior and his antics. Its kinda sad though to see that Warrior pretty much had his career and future set with WWE and only caused his own downfall through his massive ego. I mean yeah its a harsh business and you gotta look out for yourself, but you have to be somewhat of a team player in a way. I really got a kick out of the Promos part, I can't believe he actually said that stuff back then and it was televised!!!

 

"Load the spaceship with the rocket fuel" and getting tramped by raging elephants (as Downhome mentioned), those promos are freaking classic. Oh yeah and Christian's impersonation was dead-on!!! I never did get why Warrior would almost never even mention the name of his opponent yet when talking about Hogan would say his name before AND after every sentence he said.

 

I was kinda surprised that they shot down the Nailz rumor why Warrior left the 2nd time, it was one of those things I remember hearing back then and believing it.

 

If Hogan had just handed the belt to Warrior and walked away, leaving the spotlight to Warrior on his own, then I might agree. But Hogan milked that whole deal for all he could get. He made sure to take his time and make sure people remembered how gracious he was in losing the match, so that he got the most out of the match, and not Warrior.

 

 

 

Was Bret stealing the spotlight from The British Bulldog after he lost the IC title to him and they hugged after the match? When 2 faces wrestle each other it is pretty common for something like that to happen after the match. Maybe not as much anymore but back when face vs face matches rarely happened it was very common to see them at least shake hands after the match

 

Difference is Bret stayed in the ring and him and Davey were family. Since it was in Davey's hometown, I don't think the fans that were there would have cared too much if Bret left or not. I think what HTQ was getting at was that if you noticed during the end of Wrestlemania 6, the cameras wouldn't stop focusing so much on Hogan leaving and Monsoon would go on and on praising the Hulkster so yeah Hogan is to blame somwhat, but WWE could have handled it a lot better so yeah I do believe that did tarnish's Warrior glory right then and there. At least they knew how to fix it up with the Wrestlemania 12 ending.