Giuseppe Zangara Posted September 28, 2005 Author Report Posted September 28, 2005 The Blueprint is like the third best Jay-Z.
Annabelle Posted September 28, 2005 Report Posted September 28, 2005 The Blueprint is like the third best Jay-Z. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> sorry. i'd maybe say that of reasonable doubt.
Annabelle Posted September 28, 2005 Report Posted September 28, 2005 best worst one of the most distressing declines in rock n roll history. my god, islands is BAD
Edwin MacPhisto Posted September 28, 2005 Report Posted September 28, 2005 The Blueprint > Reasonable Doubt because, for one, Jay's older voice sounds much better than the "yup!" chirp from 1996. More importantly, the rhymes on Reasonable Doubt are still a bit juvenile, too much hustle and childish Scarface jerking. Boring skits and uninspiring guests (i.e. Bleek), but goddamn if "Brooklyn's Finest" isn't one of the best team-ups of all-time (controversial statement, right). And I still love Reasonable Doubt despite all that, but The Blueprint is that much better. It's him at his absolute most confident with the best array of beats he ever had.
Edwin MacPhisto Posted September 28, 2005 Report Posted September 28, 2005 best: worst (because I'm not counting the fake album that had only like Doug Yule): And sure, there are really only three, but: best: worst:
Annabelle Posted September 28, 2005 Report Posted September 28, 2005 The Blueprint > Reasonable Doubt because, for one, Jay's older voice sounds much better than the "yup!" chirp from 1996. More importantly, the rhymes on Reasonable Doubt are still a bit juvenile, too much hustle and childish Scarface jerking. Boring skits and uninspiring guests (i.e. Bleek), but goddamn if "Brooklyn's Finest" isn't one of the best team-ups of all-time (controversial statement, right). And I still love Reasonable Doubt despite all that, but The Blueprint is that much better. It's him at his absolute most confident with the best array of beats he ever had. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> reasonable doubt wasn't as good as other debut albums from that period. it sustained him up to a point, but it was the blueprint that made jay-z the man in rap music. the supposed king of new york. it also triggered kanye's career too, and let to numerous blueprint-lite albums.
Hank Kingsley Posted September 28, 2005 Report Posted September 28, 2005 I love The Blueprint, but "Jigga that Nigga", "Girls Girls Girls" and "Renegade" are terrible.
Edwin MacPhisto Posted September 29, 2005 Report Posted September 29, 2005 False, false, false. "Girls, Girls, Girls" is especially great. I go for all that clever stuff. And the bonus version in the last track? Super. "Jigga That Nigga" is the least profound thing on there but has a fantastic Snoop-checking hook and is a-okay by me as far boast tracks go. And "Renegade" isn't bad at all, though it is admittedly weird for Eminem to pop up when nobody else has been on the whole thing.
Hank Kingsley Posted September 29, 2005 Report Posted September 29, 2005 I find them groan-inducing, mostly. But the sequence of "Hola Hovito", "Heart of the City", "Never Change" and "Song Cry" is fabulous.
Ravenbomb Posted September 29, 2005 Report Posted September 29, 2005 I can't make it through The Wall anymore, but at least it has more redeeming moments than its awful follow-up <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If I actually have the time, I can still listen to The Wall from start to finish at any given time. But I agree that The Final Cut wasn't that good. The only song on it I like is the title track.
Guest The Iron Yuppie Posted September 29, 2005 Report Posted September 29, 2005 I'm doing my own format to save space Best on the left ; Worst on right <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Good call on both Metallica albums. Following the same format: - I listed Hormoaning as the worst Nirvana album/EP because for me, it comes down to a choice between it and Incesticide; and I value 'Sliver', 'Big Long Now' and 'Stain' more than I do 'Even in His Youth' and 'D7'.
Big Ol' Smitty Posted September 29, 2005 Report Posted September 29, 2005 uninspiring guests (i.e. Bleek), but goddamn if "Brooklyn's Finest" isn't one of the best team-ups of all-time (controversial statement, right). <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ah, c'mon! I know Bleek sucks as a rule, but damned if the Butch & Sundance schtick on "Coming of Age" isn't tight. Also, "Brooklyn's Finest" is like a top 5 greatest track of all time. And I agree on the love for "Renegade" and disagree on the love for "Girls, Girls, Girls." It's cheesetastic. Also agree on Velvet Underground.
CBright7831 Posted September 29, 2005 Report Posted September 29, 2005 I love The Blueprint, but "Jigga that Nigga", "Girls Girls Girls" and "Renegade" are terrible. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I could see what you mean about the first two, but "Renegade" featured one of the best guest apperances of 2001, not to mention the beat and the verses are hot also.
Hank Kingsley Posted September 29, 2005 Report Posted September 29, 2005 Yeah, I think the last one was more due to my blind dislike for Eminem than for the actual song.
CBright7831 Posted September 29, 2005 Report Posted September 29, 2005 Best: Worst: I had a hard time picking between Grand Champ and The Great Depression, but I remember TGD had "Who We Be".
Giuseppe Zangara Posted September 29, 2005 Author Report Posted September 29, 2005 Everyone, disregard Edwin's post re: the Velvet Underground.
Giuseppe Zangara Posted September 29, 2005 Author Report Posted September 29, 2005 "Sister Ray" is their best song, you asshole.
Edwin MacPhisto Posted September 29, 2005 Report Posted September 29, 2005 "Sister Ray" is all right but "The Gift" is only cute a few times. All slapped together that stuff can't add up to how good the rest of their catalog is over and over again.
Giuseppe Zangara Posted September 29, 2005 Author Report Posted September 29, 2005 The title track, "Here She Comes Now," and "I Heard Her Call My Name."
Giuseppe Zangara Posted September 29, 2005 Author Report Posted September 29, 2005 The only song I don't much care for is "Lady Godiva's Operation."
Edwin MacPhisto Posted September 29, 2005 Report Posted September 29, 2005 I like the title track a lot. It's not a bad album or anything, but it's up against stiff fucking competition. I also can't believe there's someone out there who's listened to enough DMX albums to evaluate his catalog.
Big Ol' Smitty Posted September 29, 2005 Report Posted September 29, 2005 I like the title track a lot. It's not a bad album or anything, but it's up against stiff fucking competition. I also can't believe there's someone out there who's listened to enough DMX albums to evaluate his catalog. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hey don't try to act like you didn't like "Get at me Dog" and "Ruff Ryder Anthem". Hell, I even liked "Where Da Hood At."
Giuseppe Zangara Posted September 29, 2005 Author Report Posted September 29, 2005 "Party Up" was a decent, um, party track, but that's about all I've been able to stand from DMX. What a terrible dude.
Giuseppe Zangara Posted September 29, 2005 Author Report Posted September 29, 2005 And even then, I'm ashamed to admit even remotely liking anything related to DMX. And I love Ludacris, so it's not like I have standards.
Edwin MacPhisto Posted September 29, 2005 Report Posted September 29, 2005 I like the title track a lot. It's not a bad album or anything, but it's up against stiff fucking competition. I also can't believe there's someone out there who's listened to enough DMX albums to evaluate his catalog. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hey don't try to act like you didn't like "Get at me Dog" and "Ruff Ryder Anthem". Hell, I even liked "Where Da Hood At." <{POST_SNAPBACK}> But whole albums? Yeowch. I do really like the part at the end of "Ruff Ryders Anthem" where he shouts "TALK IS CHEAP MOTHERFUCKER" followed by automatic gunfire. All class.
Giuseppe Zangara Posted September 29, 2005 Author Report Posted September 29, 2005 The whole Ruff Ryders crew, though. I'd rather they never existed, in spite of Eve having her moments. In fact, I like Eve quite a bit, except for her choice in running buddies. Better production and less worthless guest appearences could do wonders for her.
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