Bored 0 Report post Posted October 4, 2005 I did it last year, so might as well do it again this year. For position players I take the Top 30 in games started at each position (might not necessarily be one player from each team) and rank them using five different statistical categories: OPS, Value Over Replacement Player, Equivalent Average, Runs Created (ballpark adjusted) and Win Shares. 2004 Rankings I'll start with catchers. This is based on what they did in 2005 only. Past performance and potential future value is not factored. 1. Victor Martinez, Indians 2. Jason Varitek, Red Sox 3. Joe Mauer, Twins 4. Michael Barrett, Cubs 5. Jorge Posada, Yankees 6. Jason LaRue, Reds 7. Bengie Molina, Angels 8. Javy Lopez, Orioles 9. Mike Piazza, Mets 10. Gregg Zaun, Blue Jays 11. Rod Barajas, Rangers 12. Ramon Hernandez, Padres 13. Brian Schneider, Nationals 14. Paul Lo Duca, Marlins 15. Mike Matheny, Giants 16. Jason Kendall, A's 17. Mike Lieberthal, Phillies 18. Ivan Rodriguez, Tigers 19. Damian Miller, Brewers 20. A.J. Pierzynski, White Sox 21. Brad Ausmus, Astros 22. Toby Hall, Devil Rays 23. Yadier Molina, Cardinals 24. John Buck, Royals 25. Johnny Estrada, Braves 26. Humberto Cota, Pirates 27. Jason Phillips, Dodgers 28. Danny Ardoin, Rockies 29. Miguel Olivo, Mariners/Padres 30. Chris Snyder, Diamondbacks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devo 0 Report post Posted October 4, 2005 Speaks worlds about Piazza still being one of the most valuable catchers in the Majors despite injuries and having a pretty bad year overall. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted October 4, 2005 First Base 1. Derrek Lee, Cubs 2. Albert Pujols, Cardinals 3. Carlos Delgado, Marlins 4. Mark Teixeira, Rangers 5. Jason Giambi, Yankees 6. Todd Helton, Rockies 7. Richie Sexson, Mariners 8. Lance Berkman, Astros 9. Paul Konerko, White Sox 10. Nick Johnson, Nationals 11. Chad Tracy, Diamondbacks 12. Lyle Overbay, Brewers 13. Chris Shelton, Tigers 14. Sean Casey, Reds 15. Ryan Howard, Phillies 16. Rafael Palmeiro, Orioles 17. Dan Johnson, A's 18. Adam LaRoche, Braves 19. Ben Broussard, Indians 20. Eric Hinske, Blue Jays 21. Darin Erstad, Angels 22. Travis Lee, Devil Rays 23. Hee Seop Choi, Dodgers 24. Kevin Millar, Red Sox 25. Tino Martinez, Yankees 26. Justin Morneau, Twins 27. J.T. Snow, Giants 28. Daryle Ward, Pirates 29. Doug Mientkiewicz, Mets 30. Phil Nevin, Padres/Rangers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted October 4, 2005 "Baby Jesus" is still a 5020 hitter, but it's nice to see him third amongst catchers. He needs to improve his power, and Slugging next year though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted October 4, 2005 Barrett is 4th, not bad. Shame he had those boneheaded moves that stand out. Keep listing Cubs at the top so I punch stuff! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted October 4, 2005 Second Base 1. Brian Roberts, Orioles 2. Jeff Kent, Dodgers 3. Chase Utley, Phillies 4. Placido Polanco, Phillies/Tigers 5. Marcus Giles, Braves 6. Mark Ellis, A's 7. Jorge Cantu, Devil Rays 8. Alfonso Soriano, Rangers 9. Todd Walker, Cubs 10. Craig Biggio, Astros 11. Ray Durham, Giants 12. Ronnie Belliard, Indians 13. Tadahito Iguchi, White Sox 14. Luis Castillo, Marlins 15. Tony Graffanino, Royals/Red Sox 16. Robinson Cano, Yankees 17. Craig Counsell, Diamondbacks 18. Adam Kennedy, Angels 19. Mark Grudzielanek, Cardinals 20. Jose Vidro, Nationals 21. Mark Loretta, Padres 22. Rickie Weeks, Brewers 23. Orlando Hudson, Blue Jays 24. Jose Castillo, Pirates 25. Nick Green, Devil Rays 26. Mark Bellhorn, Red Sox/Yankees 27. Aaron Miles, Rockies 28. Bret Boone, Mariners/Twins 29. Ruben Gotay, Royals 30. Miguel Cairo, Mets Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted October 4, 2005 Well the Twins aren't going crack the Top 10 until the pitching rankings are listed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted October 4, 2005 Wow, no wonder the Jays are shopping Orlando Hudson. I knew he wasn't great, but I didn't expect to see him quite that far down the list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted October 4, 2005 Wow, no wonder the Jays are shopping Orlando Hudson. I knew he wasn't great, but I didn't expect to see him quite that far down the list. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think the Bored's rankings miss the mark here. Four of his five criteria do not consider defense, while Win Shares sees Hudson as the best defensive second baseman in the majors. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted October 4, 2005 True, but even in Win Shares Hudson ranked only 17th because of his poor offense. Really it's tough to find a defensive factor beyond Win Shares. Range factor and zone rating are both terribly flawed and I no idea where I'd be able to find UZR's for the 2005 season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted October 5, 2005 Third Base 1. Alex Rodriguez, Yankees 2. Morgan Ensberg, Astros 3. David Wright, Mets 4. Chipper Jones, Braves 5. Troy Glaus, Diamondbacks 6. Aramis Ramirez, Cubs 7. Eric Chavez, A's 8. Melvin Mora, Orioles 9. Bill Mueller, Red Sox 10. Joe Randa, Reds/Padres 11. Brandon Inge, Tigers 12. Hank Blalock, Rangers 13. Russell Branyan, Brewers 14. Garrett Atkins, Rockies 15. Joe Crede, White Sox 16. Adrian Beltre, Mariners 17. Freddy Sanchez, Pirates 18. Michael Cuddyer, Twins 19. Vinny Castilla, Nationals 20. Abraham Nunez, Cardinals 21. Alex S Gonzalez, Devil Rays 22. Corey Koskie, Blue Jays 23. Mark Teahan, Royals 24. Dallas McPherson, Angels 25. Aaron Boone, Indians 26. Edgardo Alfonzo, Giants 27. Mike Lowell, Marlins 28. David Bell, Phillies 29. Scott Rolen, Cardinals 30. Sean Burroughs, Padres Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted October 5, 2005 28. David Bell, Phillies 29. Scott Rolen, Cardinals There's something amusing about this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted October 5, 2005 Cubs are 1st at first, 4th behind the plate, 9th at second, 6th at third....4th in the NL Central. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted October 5, 2005 Where do you find all these stats? I know Hardballtimes.com has Win Shares, do they have all the other stats included? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USC Wuz Robbed! 0 Report post Posted October 5, 2005 Pretty sad Padres don't have a 1B cracking the top 30. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted October 5, 2005 Where do you find all these stats? I know Hardballtimes.com has Win Shares, do they have all the other stats included? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ballpark adjusted runs created are also on hardballtimes.com. VORP and EQA are on baseballprospectus.com Shortstop 1. Michael Young, Rangers 2. Miguel Tejada, Orioles 3. Derek Jeter, Yankees 4. Jhonny Peralta, Indians 5. Felipe Lopez, Reds 6. David Eckstein, Cardinals 7. Rafael Furcal, Braves 8. Julio Lugo, Devil Rays 9. Jimmy Rollins, Phillies 10. Khalil Greene, Padres 11. Edgar Renteria, Red Sox 12. Bobby Crosby, A's 13. Omar Vizquel, Giants 14. Jose Reyes, Mets 15. Carlos Guillen, Tigers 16. Orlando Cabrera, Angels 17. Russ Adams, Blue Jays 18. Juan Uribe, White Sox 19. J.J. Hardy, Brewers 20. Angel Berroa, Royals 21. Clint Barmes, Rockies 22. Alex Gonzalez, Marlins 23. Marco Scutaro, A's 24. Jack Wilson, Pirates 25. Neifi Perez, Cubs 26. Royce Clayton, Diamondbacks 27. Adam Everett, Astros 28. Juan Castro, Twins 29. Cesar Izturis, Dodgers 30. Cristian Guzman, Nationals Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted October 5, 2005 Cristian Guzman should be about 40th on that list. And yes, I do realize it's a list of 30. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UseTheSledgehammerUh 0 Report post Posted October 5, 2005 I can't wait til Abreu gets ranked like #1 or #3 and he's dealt in the offseason so the Phillies can worry about Big Injured Thome moving back into the lineup. I dislike Abreu, but the shit that's been rumored to occur involving Abreu and Wagner gone, Howard to the OF, Big Jim back to first is really awful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest I miss Test. Report post Posted October 5, 2005 Jeter should be #1 because he's the greatest leader ever! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted October 5, 2005 I can't wait til Abreu gets ranked like #1 or #3 and he's dealt in the offseason so the Phillies can worry about Big Injured Thome moving back into the lineup. I dislike Abreu, but the shit that's been rumored to occur involving Abreu and Wagner gone, Howard to the OF, Big Jim back to first is really awful. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Trade Abreu to the Cubs for Hollandsworth, Burnitz and a PTBNL. Please? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfaJack 0 Report post Posted October 5, 2005 That'd work if Hollandsworth were still a Cub! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted October 5, 2005 That'd work if Hollandsworth were still a Cub! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ssssh...maybe they don't know. If we play our cards right, we can convince them to make the deal by adding Tuffy Rhodes to the mix. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted October 5, 2005 I can't wait til Abreu gets ranked like #1 or #3 and he's dealt in the offseason so the Phillies can worry about Big Injured Thome moving back into the lineup. I dislike Abreu, but the shit that's been rumored to occur involving Abreu and Wagner gone, Howard to the OF, Big Jim back to first is really awful. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Trade Abreu to the Cubs for Hollandsworth, Burnitz and a PTBNL. Please? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> 1. We traded Holly to Atlanta 2. Do we still have the rights to Burny, or is he a UFA? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfaJack 0 Report post Posted October 5, 2005 That'd work if Hollandsworth were still a Cub! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ssssh...maybe they don't know. If we play our cards right, we can convince them to make the deal by adding Tuffy Rhodes to the mix. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Tuffy Rhodes? Nah, let's at least throw Macias in there so we're rid of his useless ass. And make Patterson the PTBNL. Plus, if we traded both of them, Dusty might resign in protest. 2. Do we still have the rights to Burny, or is he a UFA? I think there's an option on his contract. No idea if it's his or the team's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted October 5, 2005 How about Macias, Rhodes, Patterson, Burnitz, a box of baseballs, ten t-bone steaks, a bottle of Jack, and 3 Batman Begins dvds for Abreu? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted October 6, 2005 Left Field 1. Manny Ramirez, Red Sox 2. Jason Bay, Pirates 3. Miguel Cabrera, Marlins 4. Adam Dunn, Reds 5. Pat Burrell, Phillies 6. Hideki Matsui, Yankees 7. Cliff Floyd, Mets 8. Moises Alou, Giants 9. Randy Winn, Mariners/Giants 10. Carl Crawford, Devil Rays 11. Coco Crisp, Indians 12. Carlos Lee, Brewers 13. Luis Gonzalez, Diamondbacks 14. Matt Holliday, Rockies 15. Rondell White, Tigers 16. Frank Catalanotto, Blue Jays 17. Reggie Sanders, Cardinals 18. Ryan Klesko, Padres 19. Garret Anderson, Angels 20. Kevin Mench, Rangers 21. Scott Podsednik, White Sox 22. Shannon Stewart, Twins 23. Reed Johnson, Blue Jays 24. Pedro Feliz, Giants 25. Kelly Johnson, Braves 26. Terrence Long, Royals 27. Chris Burke, Astros 28. Eric Byrnes, A's/Rockies/Orioles 29. Todd Hollandsworth, Cubs/Braves 30. Larry Bigbie, Orioles/Rockies Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted October 6, 2005 I can't wait til Abreu gets ranked like #1 or #3 and he's dealt in the offseason so the Phillies can worry about Big Injured Thome moving back into the lineup. I dislike Abreu, but the shit that's been rumored to occur involving Abreu and Wagner gone, Howard to the OF, Big Jim back to first is really awful. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Where the hell have you been getting rumors? I think everyone in the Phillies' front office knows putting Ryan Howard in left field is a bad idea, and I've never heard any serious discussion about it. It sounds like the same people who convince themselves the Phillies can move Jim Thome back to third base. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted October 7, 2005 Center Field 1. Jim Edmonds, Cardinals 2. Grady Sizemore, Indians 3. Andruw Jones, Braves 4. Ken Griffey Jr., Reds 5. Johnny Damon, Red Sox 6. Brady Clark, Brewers 7. Vernon Wells, Blue Jays 8. David DeJesus, Royals 9. Kenny Lofton, Phillies 10. Carlos Beltran, Mets 11. Brad Wilkerson, Nationals 12. Dave Roberts, Padres 13. Preston Wilson, Rockies/Nationals 14. Mark Kotsay, A's 15. Milton Bradley, Dodgers 16. Jason Michaels, Phillies 17. Torrii Hunter, Twins 18. Aaron Rowand, White Sox 19. Gary Matthews Jr., Rangers 20. Juan Pierre, Marlins 21. Luis Matos, Orioles 22. Bernie Williams, Yankees 23. Willy Taveras, Astros 24. Cory Sullivan, Rockies 25. Damon Hollins, Devil Rays 26. Jeremy Reed, Mariners 27. Jason Ellison, Giants 28. Steve Finley, Angels 29. Nook Logan, Tigers 30. Corey Patterson, Cubs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheech Tremendous 0 Report post Posted October 7, 2005 Man, that makes me feel dirty for picking Andruw Jones as my MVP this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mike546 0 Report post Posted October 7, 2005 Kenny Lofton at NINE? Why couldn't he have done that for us? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
