New projections on ECW ONS

[World's Worst Man 0]

You might be right about that, but the PPVclearly wasn't all WWE style. While Benoit vs. Guerrero and Rey vs. Psicosis was typical WWE-style drivel, Awesome vs. Tanaka and the main event really weren't. Even at the peak of TLC, they weren't doing the same kind of crazy spots Awesome and Tanaka were doing, and I've certainly never seen a WWE brawl that looked like the main event. As I remember it, the PPV was pretty poor for the first half, other than Super Crazy's dive. Starting from the Awesome-Tanaka match, it finally started feeling like a real ECW show.

[Guest Kaedon]

Im not saying you CANT, im saying I dont get why.

 

 

And (guy above me) the caring of internet marks about a Pay per View wont lead to another one, enough people buying it will.

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...We care about it because we want to see if there will be another one. Goddamn, you're a fucking retard.

 

Edit: You're Kamehameha, aren't you?

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Whether or not you get another one is not dependant on your care for the ratings, its Vince and CO's care for the ratings. I want another record from this indie band, but me worrying about their record sales is pointless because I can not affect it in any substantial fashion. The ratings mean dick unless you have the power to change them. Most everyone here is just some hardcore ECW mark, guess what, all you are to the WWE is a dollar sign. Your opinion doesnt matter.

[4hartthreat 0]

I agree that the Awesome-Tanaka match, the Heyman promo, and the main event had an ecw kind of feel to it, but that doesn't erase the other two hours of the ppv that were all just ecw wrestlers wrestling a wwe style or the constant shots of JBL and company drinking in the balcony.

[cabbageboy 0]

Well, isn't it already booked for next year? I'm not entirely sure what they will have on that show though. I'd imagine they'd want to feature RVD in the main event of it but who would he wrestle? Sabu is with TNA. Rhino as well. Jerry Lynn I think is but who knows. In short there aren't a lot of guys from ECW out there.

 

I want some New Jack on this show however. And maybe some Dean Malenko.

[haVoc 0]

Has it been reported how well the ONS DVD has sold?

[chaosrage 0]

I don't see why anyone would care either way. ONS was nothing but a bunch of old ecw guys carrying out a wwe-style ppv.

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Well, because it wasn't. The only two matches that were like that were Psicosis/Mysterio and Benoit/Guerrero.

[chaosrage 0]

Whether or not you get another one is not dependant on your care for the ratings

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Who said it was? Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

[Guest JMA]

It won't be the same without the Dudleys, Sabu, and Rhino.

[Guest Kaedon]

Whether or not you get another one is not dependant on your care for the ratings

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Who said it was? Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

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The Way you worded one of your responses made me think you believe your talking about ONS's ratings will somehow magically bring on another one.

 

 

"We talk about the ONS rating"

 

 

"because we want another"

 

 

These 2 things have nothing to do with each other, so what were you trying to say?

[CanadianChick 0]

Of course one has something to do with the other. If there is a higher buyrate, WWE has more incentive to do the PPV again because it is a success. If it did a crappy buyrate, why would Vince bother running another one?

[Guest *KNK*]

Whether or not you get another one is not dependant on your care for the ratings

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Who said it was? Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

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The Way you worded one of your responses made me think you believe your talking about ONS's ratings will somehow magically bring on another one.

 

 

"We talk about the ONS rating"

 

 

"because we want another"

 

 

These 2 things have nothing to do with each other, so what were you trying to say?

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Except for the fact they do. The buy-rate, more significant then most of it's other non-major shows indicates a demand for that brand.

 

The people that want a second helping of watered down nostalgia for ECW will take the good news of the success the first show obtained with it's solid buy rate as a clear indication that it should lead to a second show. If the buy rate was significantly lower then the average WWE ppv, then there's the arguement against having a second show.

 

So the numbers the show draws has a importance on the fans desire to get another show.

[Guest Kaedon]

Whether or not you get another one is not dependant on your care for the ratings

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Who said it was? Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

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The Way you worded one of your responses made me think you believe your talking about ONS's ratings will somehow magically bring on another one.

 

 

"We talk about the ONS rating"

 

 

"because we want another"

 

 

These 2 things have nothing to do with each other, so what were you trying to say?

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Except for the fact they do. The buy-rate, more significant then most of it's other non-major shows indicates a demand for that brand.

 

The people that want a second helping of watered down nostalgia for ECW will take the good news of the success the first show obtained with it's solid buy rate as a clear indication that it should lead to a second show. If the buy rate was significantly lower then the average WWE ppv, then there's the arguement against having a second show.

 

So the numbers the show draws has a importance on the fans desire to get another show.

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But simply talking about it will not make it happen, therefore statement one has nothing to do with statement 2. You can talk about it all you want, but no one on here has control over whether or not it happens, so talking about the ratings is useless.

[Guest *KNK*]

Whether or not you get another one is not dependant on your care for the ratings

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Who said it was? Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

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The Way you worded one of your responses made me think you believe your talking about ONS's ratings will somehow magically bring on another one.

 

 

"We talk about the ONS rating"

 

 

"because we want another"

 

 

These 2 things have nothing to do with each other, so what were you trying to say?

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Except for the fact they do. The buy-rate, more significant then most of it's other non-major shows indicates a demand for that brand.

 

The people that want a second helping of watered down nostalgia for ECW will take the good news of the success the first show obtained with it's solid buy rate as a clear indication that it should lead to a second show. If the buy rate was significantly lower then the average WWE ppv, then there's the arguement against having a second show.

 

So the numbers the show draws has a importance on the fans desire to get another show.

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But simply talking about it will not make it happen, therefore statement one has nothing to do with statement 2. You can talk about it all you want, but no one on here has control over whether or not it happens, so talking about the ratings is useless.

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With that brilliant theory we shouldn't be able to dicuss our opinion on the product itself. In fact, we can't make opinions about movies, television, music or politics because according to you, talking about it simply means nothing.

[Guest Kaedon]

Whether or not you get another one is not dependant on your care for the ratings

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Who said it was? Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

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The Way you worded one of your responses made me think you believe your talking about ONS's ratings will somehow magically bring on another one.

 

 

"We talk about the ONS rating"

 

 

"because we want another"

 

 

These 2 things have nothing to do with each other, so what were you trying to say?

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Except for the fact they do. The buy-rate, more significant then most of it's other non-major shows indicates a demand for that brand.

 

The people that want a second helping of watered down nostalgia for ECW will take the good news of the success the first show obtained with it's solid buy rate as a clear indication that it should lead to a second show. If the buy rate was significantly lower then the average WWE ppv, then there's the arguement against having a second show.

 

So the numbers the show draws has a importance on the fans desire to get another show.

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But simply talking about it will not make it happen, therefore statement one has nothing to do with statement 2. You can talk about it all you want, but no one on here has control over whether or not it happens, so talking about the ratings is useless.

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With that brilliant theory we shouldn't be able to dicuss our opinion on the product itself. In fact, we can't make opinions about movies, television, music or politics because according to you, talking about it simply means nothing.

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First off, that all encompassing "comeback" you have is flawed, because you can for sure change politics and music by taking action. Now....

 

I'm not saying you CANT talk about the ratings, but I am asking why youd want to waste your time. I mean, why not talk about something better like what matches youd like to see? What is there to get a hard on about ratings? Ratings mean dick. Its the quality of the show, not how much it sells that is relevant to us. Even if it does sell well, since when does popular opinion equal quality?

[Guest rawmvp]

ECW ONS II is already scheduled for next year and it will emanate from the old ECW arena in Philadelphia.

[Guest MikeSC]

The ME of ONS was pure shit. Start to finish. Not a single redeeming thing about it.

[Precious Roy 0]

I'm not saying you CANT talk about the ratings, but I am asking why youd want to waste your time.

 

Says the kid with 8 posts in this thread saying absolute dick

 

this has to be a gimmick right, nobody can be this stupid....

[Guest Kaedon]

I'm not saying you CANT talk about the ratings, but I am asking why youd want to waste your time.

 

Says the kid with 8 posts in this thread saying absolute dick

 

this has to be a gimmick right, nobody can be this stupid....

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I'm just trying to understand why, no more, no less. If someone would just give me a good answer, I wouldnt have to post here you dick.

[Black Lushus 0]

dude, we've given you the EXACT reasons why discussing and caring about buyrates is important these days...what don't you get?

[Guest Kaedon]

dude, we've given you the EXACT reasons why discussing and caring about buyrates is important these days...what don't you get?

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Notice I said a "good answer" not "OMG I WANT TO SEE ANOTHER ECW PPV" that is not a reason to talk about it because talking about the ratings wont get you another ppv, why dont you get it?

[MillenniumMan831 0]

This is a WWE Discussion board. People discuss the happenings of WWE here. If the topic is of no interest, there's no reason to read and especially post. The reasons why buyrates/ratings are important are obvious so if you still don't care about buyrates, that's cool. But droning on and on about your indifference is not.

[chaosrage 0]

Okay guys from now on, no more talk about anything to do with wrestling because it won't change anything that happens so it's pointless. Kaedon the 12 year old board troll has spoken.

[Guest Kaedon]

Okay guys from now on, no more talk about anything to do with wrestling because it won't change anything that happens so it's pointless.  Kaedon the 12 year old board troll has spoken.

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Aww once again the ignorance of the smarks is shown. All encompassing statements mean nothing. You sir, are a moron.

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

Though he's been banned, I'll try to explain it a little better.

 

We discuss buyrates for the simple fact that the higher a buyrate for a show that WE LIKED (most of us) means that there is a higher chance for a second show of the same style. Discussing the buyrates may be meaningless, true, but it's a discussion, not the discussion. If there wasn't an interest here in the buyrates, then this thread would not have had any replies.

 

The simple fact that higher buyrates generate more corporate interest in producing another show is a decent enough discussion, and had you left it alone the thread would have likely stayed on track about next year's ONS.

 

Mike:

Yes, the main event of Sandman/Dreamer vs. Dudley Boyz was just a garbage brawl. But that's the one aspect of ECW that the show lacked until then: the garbage brawl. ECW's initial popularity was built upon the violence, and then the company got respect by having some damn good/amazing WRESTLERS as well to round out the show.

 

And how do you say that ONS was ECW workers doing WWE-style matches? The only match I'd say was WWE-style, in actuality, was Mysterio/Psicosis, and there's a reason for that: Mysterio's million knee surgeries, and Psicosis' injuries throughout the years. It's been a decade since they squared off in ECW, and at least 6 or 7 years since working together in WCW. Of COURSE it's not going to be the same calibre, especially considering both men have aged, their bodies have worn down, and they likely can't do all of the things they used to be able to do because of those.

I'd make an argument for Benoit/Guerrero being WWE-style, but Benoit and Guerrero have just toned down their style over the years due to injuries (specifically Benoit).

 

I want to know how Chris Jericho vs. Lance Storm was WWE-style.

I want to know how the 3-Way Dance between Tajiri, Super Crazy, and Little Guido Maritato was WWE-style.

I want to know how Rhino vs. Sabu was WWE-style.

I want to know how Mike Awesome vs. Masato Tanaka was WWE-style.

I want to know how Tommy Dreamer & The Sandman vs. The Dudley Boyz was WWE-style.

Get my drift?

[notJames 0]

I loved ONS. That said, I hope they don't do another one, even though it seems to be slated for next year. It just won't have the same feel. I mean, how many times can the "anti-establishment underground wrestling movement" pop back up on a WW_-sanctioned PPV and still feel authentic? Who will lead the "anti-ECW" group this time… Chris Masters and The Boogeyman? Will Rey Mysterio get booed again for doing the 619? How much insurance will they buy when they finally sign New Jack to do the show?

 

The first time will always be the best. Better to just enjoy the memories of that one night than to try to rehash them, which WW_ has the worst track record in doing.

[Guest jackie fargo]

Meltzer can't be trusted when it comes to reporting news-In that same conference call-the WWE reported Backlash did 325,000 buys putting it ahead of ECW's adjusted number-

 

Where does meltzer get ECW did more than Hogan's tagmatch, it just isn't true.

[Karc 0]

Of course one has something to do with the other. If there is a higher buyrate, WWE has more incentive to do the PPV again because it is a success. If it did a crappy buyrate, why would Vince bother running another one?

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Explain a second Taboo Tuesday, when the first was one of the lowest drawing PPVs in the modern era.

 

But I don't have a problem with fans caring about buyrates. If they don't buy any PPVs, WWE goes out of business. Simple as that.

[CanadianChick 0]

Ah, but Taboo Tuesday is a WWE idea, while ONS obviously isn't. Of course he'd be more willing to give his creation another shot. If ONS did horrible, there would be no second one.

[Enigma 0]

You never really get solid numbers until 2 years after the event. I remember a bunch of the 2002 PPVs didn't become definites until middle-2004.