Raw rating

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Somewhere in there I found something I agree with, rawmvp.  I don't think the goofy looking 6 sided ring will ever get TNA anywhere.  There's just something about it that gives me a jolt on a basic level. 

 

I'd like for TNA to get a better timeslot as well, but not head to head with Raw.  It won't work.  In the long run it didn't work for WCW and they had a couple of decades of TV following.

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The time slot did work "in the long run" because it was trouncing WWE for quite some time (83 weeks) and it was still competitive against it. What didn't work was the shitty direction and quality of the show that killed the show and promotion Not the time slot.

 

TNA doesn't have the fanbase to compete head to head anyways. Realistically, it needs another year at the least to develop a sizeable fanbase for that.

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Keep CSI as the 8pm lead-in, I guess.

 

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Umm, people who watch CSI aren't the same crowd who watch wrestling.

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No, but it did give Raw a great lead-in and that certainly helped.

[Guest *KNK*]

Somewhere in there I found something I agree with, rawmvp.  I don't think the goofy looking 6 sided ring will ever get TNA anywhere.  There's just something about it that gives me a jolt on a basic level. 

 

I'd like for TNA to get a better timeslot as well, but not head to head with Raw.  It won't work.  In the long run it didn't work for WCW and they had a couple of decades of TV following.

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The time slot did work "in the long run" because it was trouncing WWE for quite some time (83 weeks) and it was still competitive against it. What didn't work was the shitty direction and quality of the show that killed the show and promotion Not the time slot.

 

TNA doesn't have the fanbase to compete head to head anyways. Realistically, it needs another year at the least to develop a sizeable fanbase for that.

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Keep CSI as the 8pm lead-in, I guess.

 

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Umm, people who watch CSI aren't the same crowd who watch wrestling.

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No, but it did give Raw a great lead-in and that certainly helped.

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We all know that Walker, Texas Ranger was the true catalyst for the ratings boom in 1998.

[haws bah gawd 0]

"Clearly it's the switch. The fans who are used to Spike aren't finding USA on their cable system".

 

Oh, fuck we did that excuse.  Okay, WWE apologists, spin this one.

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I fully expect people to wheel this excuse out again.

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I have a friend that sat in front of Spike TV for 20 minutes waiting for RAW to start, and forgot all about the movie to USA.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

"Clearly it's the switch. The fans who are used to Spike aren't finding USA on their cable system".

 

Oh, fuck we did that excuse.  Okay, WWE apologists, spin this one.

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I fully expect people to wheel this excuse out again.

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I have a friend that sat in front of Spike TV for 20 minutes waiting for RAW to start, and forgot all about the movie to USA.

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Does your friend fall over a lot?

[SuperJerk 0]

The only thing I recommend TNA to do is to go back to a 4-sided ring, and only use the 6-sided ring for special events or a "Six Degrees of Slaughter" themed PPV. The only reason why TNA should go back to a 4-sided ring, is that the 6-sided ring will remind viewers of the UFC (even though the UFC ring is an octagon).

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[randomguy 0]

RAW has been awful the past couple weeks, and The Ultimate Fighter 2 is just a terrible show. None of the guys on it have any charisma, most of the fights suck, there is way too much forced product placement, etc.

[Guest JMA]

TNA could easily set itself apart from WWE if they had a twenty minute main event with two of their best wrestlers. You'd see moves there that WWE main eventers would never do on TV.

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AJ Styles and Petey Williams would be a good choice for a twenty minute match on Impact!.

[Guest *KNK*]

TNA could easily set itself apart from WWE if they had a twenty minute main event with two of their best wrestlers. You'd see moves there that WWE main eventers would never do on TV.

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AJ Styles and Petey Williams would be a good choice for a twenty minute match on Impact!.

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I would take something more along the lines of Samoa Joe/Aries instead.

[Guest Kaedon]

I thought Raw was ok. Ratings=useless

[Guest MikeSC]

What?

 

UFC isn't drawing big ratings?

 

Man, that is some stunning news.

 

BWA HA HA HA!

[justcoz 0]

Somewhere in there I found something I agree with, rawmvp.  I don't think the goofy looking 6 sided ring will ever get TNA anywhere.  There's just something about it that gives me a jolt on a basic level. 

 

I'd like for TNA to get a better timeslot as well, but not head to head with Raw.  It won't work.  In the long run it didn't work for WCW and they had a couple of decades of TV following.

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The time slot did work "in the long run" because it was trouncing WWE for quite some time (83 weeks) and it was still competitive against it. What didn't work was the shitty direction and quality of the show that killed the show and promotion Not the time slot.

 

TNA doesn't have the fanbase to compete head to head anyways. Realistically, it needs another year at the least to develop a sizeable fanbase for that.

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Keep CSI as the 8pm lead-in, I guess.

 

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Umm, people who watch CSI aren't the same crowd who watch wrestling.

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Ummm.... I realize this but why forsake the one program in your prime time lineup that generates anywhere from a 1.5 to 2.2 on a given night for a wrestling program that may only pop a 0.5 or 0.8? No, they aren't the same audience but that doesn't mean a few people wouldn't stick around for a bit, I'm sure that happened when Raw ran after CSI.

 

And yes, no casual fans are watching TNA and more than likely that combined 1.3 is a lot of smart fans. This would be a way to perhaps bring a few casual fans on board. If Spike wants TNA to succeed like it's been reported then they have to take chances here and there to build a fan base. These will only be repeats of the Saturday night shows with the purpose of building interest in the PPV and hopefully catching a few Raw or MNF people flicking stations and possibly seeking out TNA elsewhere on Spike's schedule if they like what they see.

[justcoz 0]

Also, since this is a WWE forum, there is no way that you can positively spin a rating going from 4.4 or 4.7 to a 3.7 in two weeks. It's obviously just not us lame critical smart fans who have a problem with WWE's product. They need to just plan for Smackdown to be gone within the next year and open up the talent base able to work on Raw to keep storylines and faces fresh.

[Guest Brian]

What?

 

UFC isn't drawing big ratings?

 

Man, that is some stunning news.

 

BWA HA HA HA!

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When have they? Nobody has ever said they did, aside from some semi-decent ratings for their live shows.

 

We get it Mike. You don't like MMA.

[2GOLD 0]

I personally love the six sided ring and it allows the guys to hit high flying moves from any angle. TNA needs to keep the six sided ring. It's their thing now, no point going back to the old four sides.

 

Set yourself apart, don't conform.

[muzz 0]

I thought Raw was ok. Ratings=useless

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Well that's the important thing then.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I thought Raw was ok. Ratings=useless

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Well that's the important thing then.

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That is one statement I'd like him to try and back up, if he can.

[2GOLD 0]

I thought Raw was ok. Ratings=useless

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Well that's the important thing then.

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That is one statement I'd like him to try and back up, if he can.

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I think he means USA is not going to cancel RAW unless it dips into the 2.0 range. Which it never will. So the ratings talk is kinda useless since Vince and co. don't care and will make sure they always have an excuse. Like Ramadan or something.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I thought Raw was ok. Ratings=useless

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Well that's the important thing then.

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That is one statement I'd like him to try and back up, if he can.

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I think he means USA is not going to cancel RAW unless it dips into the 2.0 range. Which it never will. So the ratings talk is kinda useless since Vince and co. don't care and will make sure they always have an excuse. Like Ramadan or something.

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If they don't worry about the rating until it dips to near the 2.0 range, then it's going to be like trying to roll a snowball uphill. Much better, and easier in the long run, to start reversing the trend now while it's going to be easier to do.

[2GOLD 0]

I thought Raw was ok. Ratings=useless

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Well that's the important thing then.

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That is one statement I'd like him to try and back up, if he can.

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I think he means USA is not going to cancel RAW unless it dips into the 2.0 range. Which it never will. So the ratings talk is kinda useless since Vince and co. don't care and will make sure they always have an excuse. Like Ramadan or something.

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If they don't worry about the rating until it dips to near the 2.0 range, then it's going to be like trying to roll a snowball uphill. Much better, and easier in the long run, to start reversing the trend now while it's going to be easier to do.

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Do you really THINK Vince will change anything when the drop in rating can clearly be tied to his stupid family? If anything, he'll blame John Cena not being a draw despite Cena getting like 5 minutes on RAW.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I thought Raw was ok. Ratings=useless

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Well that's the important thing then.

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That is one statement I'd like him to try and back up, if he can.

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I think he means USA is not going to cancel RAW unless it dips into the 2.0 range. Which it never will. So the ratings talk is kinda useless since Vince and co. don't care and will make sure they always have an excuse. Like Ramadan or something.

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If they don't worry about the rating until it dips to near the 2.0 range, then it's going to be like trying to roll a snowball uphill. Much better, and easier in the long run, to start reversing the trend now while it's going to be easier to do.

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Do you really THINK Vince will change anything when the drop in rating can clearly be tied to his stupid family? If anything, he'll blame John Cena not being a draw despite Cena getting like 5 minutes on RAW.

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Whatever happens, Vince will never lay the blame on his own shoulders, and will always blame it on everything else, from the weather to the alignment of the planets.

[2GOLD 0]

He'll blame Ramadan. And Shelton. Nothing drives away fans like seeing a black man on a WWE show.

[Guest MikeSC]

Maybe he simply means that unless you work for WWE or are an investor --- caring about the ratings is a bit meaningless.

[Guest rawmvp]

TNA might not be going head to head with RAW any time soon, but they will get a primetime special on 11-3-2005 from 9-11 PM.

[The Czech Republic 0]

With UFC bottoming out, I'd like to see Spike give TNA a shot to go head to head with WWE. Because let's face it: this is the best time to usurp the WWE's audience, since the programming has been horrendous as of late.

 

The only thing I recommend TNA to do is to go back to a 4-sided ring, and only use the 6-sided ring for special events or a "Six Degrees of Slaughter" themed PPV. The only reason why TNA should go back to a 4-sided ring, is that the 6-sided ring will remind viewers of the UFC (even though the UFC ring is an octagon).

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Do you work at being an idiot because it's the one quality you have.

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YOU GOT SERVED

[Guest Kaedon]

I thought Raw was ok. Ratings=useless

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Well that's the important thing then.

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That is one statement I'd like him to try and back up, if he can.

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I think he means USA is not going to cancel RAW unless it dips into the 2.0 range. Which it never will. So the ratings talk is kinda useless since Vince and co. don't care and will make sure they always have an excuse. Like Ramadan or something.

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Actually, I mean that ratings are effing useless to me and I dont care about them at all. I never let a low rating scare me a way from seeing the next Raw because ratings dont matter to me. What matters is if I see something I like.

[BruiserKC 0]

Vince's putting out his family on TV every week fits the true definition of insanity...doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result each time. He clearly thinks he's going to get back into the 7s and 8s using the formula that worked back in the days of Attitude but so far his ideas just ain't panning out.

 

And wrestling right now is "not cool". As in, it doesn't have the attention of the mainstream like it did during the NWO/Attitude days. Back then, people talked about what happened the night before on RAW and Nitro around the coffee maker or water cooler the way they talk about Monday Night Football. You don't have that now, wrestling is back to being almost a joke to the mainstream. The ones that are going to still watch have always been there, the wrestling diehards or the WWE fans who worship at the idol of Vince.

 

Until we see that next big breakout star that has the potential to transcend the business and bring in the mainstream audience, this is the way it will be. Hogan did that, Austin did that, the Rock did that. Cena, Batista, and Triple H don't do that.

[Si82 0]

Actually, I mean that ratings are effing useless to me and I dont care about them at all. I never let a low rating scare me a way from seeing the next Raw because ratings dont matter to me. What matters is if I see something I like.

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Then why read and then post in a thread about ratings?

[Guest Kaedon]

I didnt really read anything, I just chimed in with my thought that Raw was ok despite the what the ratings say.

[pochorenella 0]

This week's numbers are truly bad. I haven't seen the show yet but the only explanation I can find is that the show was severely lacking. Last week's RAW I thought was Ok and I felt the ratings decline was justified somewhat. This week I can't defend it even if I tried to.

[hyperchord24 0]

Vince doesn't get it. He is a dictator and will do what he wants. He knows this. He's lost touch with his fans and when USA cancels his show, he'll blame it on anyone but himself. Eventually, when HHH, Steph and Shane take over the company, all it will be is HHH promos, squash matches with HHH and whatever SCSA look-alike they can find. B/c of HHH's and Vince's ego, they will have no idea how to put their egos aside for the sake of good wrestling. They will then be bought out and everyone will shoot on Vince and HHH b/c they'll never sign another paycheck again. (this is about 20 + years down the line)