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I can't believe people are still debating about who is more well known by the public. The media coverage with Angle would have nothing to do with that. It is the nature of the story with a gold medal American apple pie guy being corrupted by the wrestling industry or whatever similar way the media would spin it.

 

Nobody can name the last five Miss Americas, but if one of them turns up dead in Hugh Hefner's bed from a drug overdose, there will be controversy. If a more well known porn star turns up dead, most of society just goes "oh yeah, those porn stars do a lot of drugs and live crazy lives."

 

In the same manner, most of Congress and the like doesn't give a damn about fake tv wrestlers passing away, but if they become aware of an Olympic Golden boy killed off - then they are most likely to investigate the industry.

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I seriously hope this whole topic and idea dies a quick death very, very soon. Once again, if Eddie Guerrero wasn't dead, we wouldn't be talking about someone else's eventual demise, and we wouldn't be talking about how Kurt Angle is a walking time bomb, loaded up on painkillers, pushing himself to the edge.

 

Disagree with me all you want, but a topic like this wouldn't have been anywhere on this board last Friday night. But now, with Eddie's death, the topic has switched to "Who's next?", which in a way is really, really sad. Now anytime Kurt Angle takes a bad bump or isn't on TV one week, everyone will expect the worst. And worst of all, no one would be talking about it if it wasn't for some creepy paragraph that the Torch put out. I don't doubt that Kurt Angle has injuries and works through pain, but to talk about his upcoming death and how much news coverage it would get is terrible. The Torch wouldn't have talked about someone being on a "deathwatch" if Eddie was still alive, and all of us would be talking about how much it sucks to have Randy Orton as WWE Champ or how awesome it was that Eddie regained the belt.

 

Hey, maybe The Torch was talking about Eugene? He's on his way to rehab, isn't he? Oh, wait a minute, that wouldn't be interesting enough. Well, there's no way to tell because that whole blurb didn't say ANYTHING. If it would have named names, then I could understand. But the whole thing just sounds like something out of the National Enquirer, and everyone is eating it up.

 

I loved the whole way this thread started. It's SO obvious who it is, but HHH, Flair, and Hogan were all mentioned. Obvious, huh? Then someone said, "It's Kurt Angle!" without really explaining why, and now all anyone can talk about is when he will die and how many news outlets will carry it. Sheesh.

 

This is why there are so many silly rumors/urban legends in professional wrestling. And you know what? I feel silly to still be commmenting on it, so I'll stop. I'm sure someone will come along and refute this entire post line by line, so go ahead.

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Actually, you are the problem more than the torch. You just turn a blind eye, and except the fact that this is a major problem. In his recent audio update Keller talked about how "deathwatch" is a common term within the industry. Would it be better to just ignore the story. Then next time, we can have another emotional special, where all of this wrestlers "friends" cry. The same "friends" who are too chickenshit to do anything when it matters, which is when the wrestler is still alive.

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The same "friends" who are too chickenshit to do anything when it matters, which is when the wrestler is still alive.

 

From everything I've heard, Eddie's friends helped him out quite a bit, a lot of people did. There wasn't anything that anyone could have done to help Eddie Guerrero's case, since his death more than likely, if not for sure, was a result from his past actions.

 

What really sucks, is that this is the case for a lot of the guys who pass. Their past just comes back to claim them once and for all. They may be clean at the time of the death or the years leading up to it, since they finally realized that they are in danger, but they can't take away all of the bad they did over the years before they realized the danger.

 

What really gets me, are the guys who are still doing all of this shit, right now in this day and age. If Kurt Angle is doing everything everyone thinks he's doing, then I just don't know what to say. It's cases like his, now so more than ever, that everyone around him needs to get involved, even if it came to Vince McMahon himself demanding it to the point of letting him go if Kurt doesn't deal with it.

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Well, if Eddie's chest pains are true, then it definately speaks volume about the pressures that are put on workers through the industry and the system. It sounds like something could have been done, but there is a lot of internal pressure to keep that kinda thing quiet.

 

As for Angle, we've been over that choice a few times in the thread. The "credentials" and "top wrestler" only qualify Angle. Who has credentials of his magnitude? The closest thing is Hogan and Rock, because they had some success outside of wrestling, but those guys don't wrestle anymore, let alone qualify as top wrestlers.

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I seriously hope this whole topic and idea dies a quick death very, very soon.  Once again, if Eddie Guerrero wasn't dead, we wouldn't be talking about someone else's eventual demise, and we wouldn't be talking about how Kurt Angle is a walking time bomb, loaded up on painkillers, pushing himself to the edge.

 

Disagree with me all you want, but a topic like this wouldn't have been anywhere on this board last Friday night.  But now, with Eddie's death, the topic has switched to "Who's next?", which in a way is really, really sad.  Now anytime Kurt Angle takes a bad bump or isn't on TV one week, everyone will expect the worst.  And worst of all, no one would be talking about it if it wasn't for some creepy paragraph that the Torch put out.  I don't doubt that Kurt Angle has injuries and works through pain, but to talk about his upcoming death and how much news coverage it would get is terrible.  The Torch wouldn't have talked about someone being on a "deathwatch" if Eddie was still alive, and all of us would be talking about how much it sucks to have Randy Orton as WWE Champ or how awesome it was that Eddie regained the belt.

 

Hey, maybe The Torch was talking about Eugene?  He's on his way to rehab, isn't he?  Oh, wait a minute, that wouldn't be interesting enough.  Well, there's no way to tell because that whole blurb didn't say ANYTHING.  If it would have named names, then I could understand.  But the whole thing just sounds like something out of the National Enquirer, and everyone is eating it up.

 

I loved the whole way this thread started.  It's SO obvious who it is, but HHH, Flair, and Hogan were all mentioned.  Obvious, huh?  Then someone said, "It's Kurt Angle!" without really explaining why, and now all anyone can talk about is when he will die and how many news outlets will carry it.  Sheesh.

 

This is why there are so many silly rumors/urban legends in professional wrestling.  And you know what?  I feel silly to still be commmenting on it, so I'll stop.  I'm sure someone will come along and refute this entire post line by line, so go ahead.

 

GREAT post.

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GREAT post.

 

Not really.

 

Read GeniusMoment's reply.

 

It isn't sad that we're talking about "Who's next?" due to Eddie's death. The only thing sad is that someone thinks everyone should ignore it simply because we wouldn't have been talking about it last week. All you need to do is read the articles posted in this thread to see Angle has serious problems and shouldn't be wrestling. Both of you need to wake up.

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I'm not saying it should be ignored. Kurt Angle obviously has been burning midnight oil for a long time now. But he isn't the only pro wrestler that pushes himself. Hell, let's talk about how Benoit pushes HIMSELF too far, or how Flair is too old to wrestle while we're at it. Hey, Batista's going to job to Orton with a torn chest muscle--isn't THAT pushing yourself as well? Again, I mention Eugene. Passing out in the locker room? Doesn't HE need help too? Angle isn't the only one.

 

What pisses me off about this whole thread (and the whole "deathwatch" rumor as well) is that there isn't anything to back it up. Someone typed a paragraph, and everyone is acting like Moses came down from the mountain and declared it or something.

 

The "credentials" and "top wrestler" only qualify Angle.

 

In your mind it does. But really, here's the actual sentence:

 

There is a top wrestler in WWE today who is considered to be on the unofficial death watch, whose death, due to his credentials, would make the considerable news coverage of Eddie Guerrero's death this week look minor by comparison.

 

Now, HOW does that equal Kurt Angle? Couldn't it be HHH, Batista, John Cena, Ric Flair, or any non-jobber? I've said it before and I'll say it again, that sentence (and the entire report) doesn't really say ANYTHING. Could it be Kurt Angle? Yes, but to say it's no one but him because The Torch used the word "credentials" is one of the dumbest things ever. In Keller's eyes, HHH could have credentials. So could Batista. Or Cena, Flair, or even fucking Eugene or Rob Conway. In your eyes, it's Kurt Angle. In The Torch's eyes it's....well, they convieniently didn't say, did they? As far as any of us know, he could be talking about Daviari. If the report said: "Kurt Angle is on a deathwatch because he pushes himself too hard" then you could discuss away. But it didn't.

 

I'm not trying to turn a blind eye to anything. I'm just (and still) trying to say that a topic like this wouldn't be discussed if not for Eddie's death. And it's just sad that people here are taking such a standard sounding paragraph and making it equal Kurt Angle: Injured pro wrestler hopped up on painkillers with nerve damage who's death is imminent.

 

If you want to have an honest discussion about who is pushing themselves too far in pro wrestling, go ahead. But don't base it on a tabloid style report that didn't serve any purpose except to stir up shit among wrestling fans.

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The "credentials" and "top wrestler" only qualify Angle.

 

In your mind it does. But really, here's the actual sentence:

 

There is a top wrestler in WWE today who is considered to be on the unofficial death watch, whose death, due to his credentials, would make the considerable news coverage of Eddie Guerrero's death this week look minor by comparison.

 

Now, HOW does that equal Kurt Angle?

 

Read the bolded words... are you that stupid? Nevermind, don't answer that.

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So could Batista.  Or Cena, Flair, or even fucking Eugene or Rob Conway.

 

Hello? Would Batista, Cena, Flair, Eugene, or Conway's death "make the news coverage of Eddie Guerrero's death look minor by comparison"?

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Batista and John Cena would because they are the current champions and are both very young. If either died, I think it would shock many more people much more than Eddie Guerrero's death.

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Batista and John Cena would because they are the current champions and are both very young.  If either died, I think it would shock many more people much more than Eddie Guerrero's death.

 

Sadly enough, & judging by most of the posts here, if Cena were to die it'd seem like most people here would celebrate...:(

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I was thinking about this last night. What if it is Vince McMahon?

 

He is ignorant about his health. Look at his muscle size for a 60 year old man. Plus, he blew out both his quads in one night.

 

There is a top wrestler in WWE today who is considered to be on the unofficial death watch, whose death, due to his credentials, would make the considerable news coverage of Eddie Guerrero's death this week look minor by comparison.

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Guest Lee The Man

It's definatly Angle,he has put his body threw alot & it's taking a toll on him.

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Guest StylesMark

As an Angle fan since day 1, before the bandwagon, I really hope not.

 

And I agree that it's stupid for the Torch to even make the remark, and to have everyone speculating. You think Vince won't see that? And NO, this wouldn't even be a topic had Eddie not passed away.

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