BX 0 Report post Posted November 22, 2005 So here is the semifinalists list for the 2006 NFL Hall of Fame. They will narrow these down to 15 in Janurary, then vote 3 - 6 people from that list to the Hall of Fame. The class of 2006 will be determined at the selection committee's annual meeting Feb. 4 in Detroit, the day before the Super Bowl. So, which 15 should move on, and which 3 - 6 of those 15 deserve to be in the Hall of Fame? Also, two "legends picks" are pretty much assured of entry. Those two are... Oakland Raiders coach John Madden Cowboys tackle Rayfield Wright. Here's the list of candidates, plus the teams they contributed to notably during their careers. Yes, I know Warren Moon played for Seattle and Kansas City, but he didnt do shit there... so yeah. There you go. Harry Carson, LB - Denver Broncos Randy Gradishar, LB - New York Giants Derrick Thomas, LB - Kansas City Chiefs Dermontti Dawson, C - Pittsburgh Steelers Thurman Thomas, RB - Buffalo Bills Michael Irvin, WR - Dallas Cowboys Andre Reed, WR - Buffalo Bills Art Monk, WR - Washington Redskins Reggie White, DE - Philadelphia Eagles / Green Bay Packers Fred Dean, DE - San Diego Chargers / San Francisco 49ers Richard Dent, DE - Chicago Bears L.C. Greenwood, DE - Pittsburgh Steelers Claude Humphrey, DE - Atlanta Falcons Troy Aikman, QB - Dallas Cowboys Warren Moon, QB - Houston Oilers / Minnesota Vikings Ken Stabler, QB - Oakland Raiders Russ Grimm, G - Washington Redskins Bob Kuechenberg, G - Miami Dolphins Gary Zimmerman, OT - Minnesota Vikings / Denver Broncos Lester Hayes, CB - Oakland/LA Raiders Roger Wehrli, CB - St. Louis Cardinals Ray Guy, P - Oakland Raiders Art Modell, Owner - Cleveland Browns / Baltimore Ravens Ralph Wilson, Jr. Owner - Buffalo Bills George Young, NFL Administrator My 15 are Troy Aikman, Reggie White, Art Monk, Ray Guy, Richard Dent, Michael Irvin, Derrick Thomas, Thurman Thomas, Andre Reed, Warren F'ning Moon, Ken Stabler, Gary Zimmerman, Lester Hayes, Art Modell, and Russ Grimm. The final 6? Jesus Christ. What to do? So uh.. Aikman White Irvin Moon Monk (Final year of eligibility) Dent Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted November 22, 2005 My 15: Harry Carson, LB - Denver Broncos Derrick Thomas, LB - Kansas City Chiefs Thurman Thomas, RB - Buffalo Bills Michael Irvin, WR - Dallas Cowboys Andre Reed, WR - Buffalo Bills Art Monk, WR - Washington Redskins Reggie White, DE - Philadelphia Eagles / Green Bay Packers Richard Dent, DE - Chicago Bears Troy Aikman, QB - Dallas Cowboys Warren Moon, QB - Houston Oilers / Minnesota Vikings Ken Stabler, QB - Oakland Raiders Gary Zimmerman, OT - Minnesota Vikings / Denver Broncos Ray Guy, P - Oakland Raiders Art Modell, Owner - Cleveland Browns / Baltimore Ravens Ralph Wilson, Jr. Owner - Buffalo Bills My 6: Michael Irvin, WR - Dallas Cowboys Andre Reed, WR - Buffalo Bills Art Monk, WR - Washington Redskins Reggie White, DE Richard Dent, DE - Chicago Bears Troy Aikman, QB - Dallas Cowboys Moon and Derrick Thomas get in next year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted November 22, 2005 I don't think it's Monk's final year. 15-Final six are bolded Aikman Moon T.Thomas Irvin Monk Carson Zimmerman Dawson Grimm D.Thomas White Dent Hayes Wehril Wilson I'd guess Aikman, Irvin, White, and the two veteran canidates Madden, and Wright get in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted November 22, 2005 I can really do without Troy Aikman and Michael Irvin going in the same year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted November 22, 2005 I can too, but they should go in together. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted November 23, 2005 Reggie White not getting in would be asinine. He's the best defensive lineman to ever play, and I'm not quite sure anyone is going to come close to touching that sacks record. All too often, you see defensive linemen have these great bursts in seasons, and very, VERY few (outside of a player like Michael Strahan) produce consistently enough and are able to stay on the field injury-free to play like Reggie did. Reggie, Monk, Aikman, Guy, Irvin, and Grimm would be my six picks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Leelee Report post Posted November 23, 2005 Thurman Thomas should be in 1st ballot. And he should be in ahead of Andre Reed. Thurman was the best overall RB for a 4-year period in the era of Emmitt Smith and Barry Sanders. This is a really stacked year, though. Reggie must go in. Aikman & Irvin should be locks, too. Moon, also. I'd like to see Thurman and Andre go in together, as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted November 23, 2005 Bruce Smith is the official all-time sack leader. Everyone knows that Deacon Jones is the true sack king. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Leelee Report post Posted November 23, 2005 Fuck Bruce Smith. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted November 23, 2005 Bruce Smith is the official all-time sack leader. Everyone knows that Deacon Jones is the true sack king. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Id rather have had Reggie if I were a GM... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixrising 0 Report post Posted November 23, 2005 My 15: Derrick Thomas, LB - Kansas City Chiefs Dermontti Dawson, C - Pittsburgh Steelers Thurman Thomas, RB - Buffalo Bills Michael Irvin, WR - Dallas Cowboys Andre Reed, WR - Buffalo Bills Art Monk, WR - Washington Redskins Reggie White, DE - Philadelphia Eagles / Green Bay Packers Richard Dent, DE - Chicago Bears L.C. Greenwood, DE - Pittsburgh Steelers Troy Aikman, QB - Dallas Cowboys Warren Moon, QB - Houston Oilers / Minnesota Vikings Ken Stabler, QB - Oakland Raiders Russ Grimm, G - Washington Redskins Lester Hayes, CB - Oakland/LA Raiders Ralph Wilson, Jr. - Owner, Buffalo Bills And the final 6: Aikman Irvin D. Thomas T. Thomas White Monk I can see Derrick Thomas and Reggie White being elected for sure. Maybe Aikman too. If Aikman is elected there is a good chance that Irvin goes in with him too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Leelee Report post Posted November 23, 2005 This year really shows how the HOF voters screwed up with Monk... they have to put him in this year. But, there's easily 6 better players than him, PLUS Andre Reed who likely won't get in... who is a better version of Monk... not a guy who you ever thought of a true elite receiver, but put up big stats every year. But, Reed has slightly better career stats, 4 more Pro Bowls, and put up big stats in Super Bowls. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert 0 Report post Posted November 23, 2005 I can't believe they wanna put Irvin in. The Hall of Fame is for players who had a impact and changed the game. Even with all the crap off the field, he still shouldn't go in. LT may have had crap off the field, but he changed the game. Final Six: Harry Carson Reggie White Derrick Thomas Ray Guy Thurman Thomas Art Monk If Carson doesn't get in, he'll get screwed over again. For Packer fans, here is the list of guys who should be in: Jerry Kramer, Guard Bob Skoronski, Tackle Dave Robinson, Linebacker (No credit because he played with Ray) Larry McCaren, Center (Toughest man in Packer's history) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfaJack 0 Report post Posted November 23, 2005 I can't believe they wanna put Irvin in. The Hall of Fame is for players who had a impact and changed the game. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Are you out of your fucking mind? Or do you just hate the Cowboys that much? This is a stupid thing to say. Irvin had no impact on the game? Whatever. Must be sour grapes from all the times he helped kick the Packers' ass... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USC Wuz Robbed! 0 Report post Posted November 23, 2005 And this coming from a guy with the Dallas Star as his avatar. I think Michael Irvin was one of the better WRs of the 1990s, but I'm iffy on his HoF credentials... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted November 23, 2005 Kramer's not in the hall of fame? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted November 23, 2005 I don't know how you can put Monk in while leaving (oh this is going to hurt me) Irvin out. Irvin was: Top 10 in receptions - 4 times (2nd, 3rd, 5th, 7th) Top 10 rec. yards - 6 times (1st, 2nd (2X), 4th, 8th (2X) Top 10 rec. TDs - 5 times (6th, 8th, 9th, 10th (2X) Top 10 yards from scrimmage - 4 times (4th, 8th, 9th, 10th) Monk was: Top 10 in receptions - 4 times (1st,2nd,3rd,9th) Top 10 in rec. yards - 3 times (3rd, 4th, 10th) Top 10 in rec TDs - 1 time (9th) And for the more subjective view, Irvin went to 5 Pro Bowls in 12 years to Monk's 3 in 15 years. I think a good comp for Monk is Keyshawn Johnson. A good possession receiver, but not someone who I think of as a HOFer. While longevity should count for something I don't think a bunch of good seasons add up to a HOF career. My six: Aikman White Dent Irvin T. Thomas D.Thomas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert 0 Report post Posted November 23, 2005 Jerry Rice, Sterling Sharpe, Chris Carter and Tim Brown were all better than Irvin. Hell, even put Art Monk in that list. Irvin had one 100 catch season, while Sterling Sharpe had two, and came close to doing it twice with 90 catches in 89, and 94 (his final season) and that was one a bad neck. Jerry Rice, the all time leading receiver, had four seasons with 100 catches, and ran better and didn't have to push off to catch his ball. Carter had two 100 catch seasons, in a row. Both put up better numbers in Irvin in TD's. Irvin had 65 career TD's, while Carter/Rice/Brown combined for 400 career TD receptions. If Irvin would've changed the game completely, he would rank up there with those. I'm not bitter about those games, and you know why? I didn't care about those games. The Boys beat the Pack three times in the playoffs, and should've played us in the 1996 NFC title game. You lost to friggin Carolina, a expansion team two years in. Art Monk should be in because he held the receiving record before Rice broke it. You can talk about the games in the 90's, but lets check out the Cowboys of the 60's who could get over the hump against Green Bay. First there was Meredith's choke INT to Tom Brown at the two, and the idea to put Bob Hayes in as TE to block Dave Robinson. The Ice Bowl, what about how the defense allowed a team that was playing with a good amount of banged up people. "Next Year's Team" a name that people remember. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted November 23, 2005 All I can say is how well did Troy do without Michael Irvin? If you want to put in Aikman, you have to put in Irvin. If you want to put in Irvin, you must put in Aikman. You can't say one must go and say the other doesn't deserve it. And I hate both of them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted November 23, 2005 Jerry Rice, the all time leading receiver, had four seasons with 100 catches, and ran better and didn't have to push off to catch his ball. Ha, good one. All I can say is how well did Troy do without Michael Irvin? If you want to put in Aikman, you have to put in Irvin. If you want to put in Irvin, you must put in Aikman. You can't say one must go and say the other doesn't deserve it. And I hate both of them. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Agreed, except I can't really hate Troy, especially for his time at UCLA. He's a nice guy and a good color commentator. I really can't stand Irvin though, and still find it shocking sometimes to think he was drafted over Jerry Rice. Well I guess that's why the Niners usually owned the Cowboys in those rare battle of the behemoths in the early 90's. EDIT: And on that note, it can be reasoned that today's versions of the Niners and Cowboys are obviously the Patriots (playing the role of San Fran) and the Colts (playing the role of Dallas). Now Indy just has to win a couple of their own to solidify that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fökai 0 Report post Posted November 23, 2005 Reggie, Aikman, Irvin, Moon, Derrick Thomas and Monk, I guess. I don't see why Monk would get a real 'push' this year, unless he gets the sympathy vote on his last year of eligibility, but I don't see either Thurman or Dent (who will both get in next year) getting real support with the committee. Thurman for just being an overlooked back, Dent for being on the same ballot with Reggie and not being judged fairly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted November 23, 2005 Northern Ohio will riot when Art Modell is inducted into the Hall. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted November 23, 2005 Jerry Rice, Sterling Sharpe, Chris Carter and Tim Brown were all better than Irvin. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I won't argue against the idea that Irvin may not be HOF worthy and that the WRs you mentioned may have been better. I don't know if Irvin is an open and shut put him in player. But just in the comparison of Monk and Irvin, I don't see Monk in and Irvin out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert 0 Report post Posted November 23, 2005 I always thought that Monk was getting screwed over, and I fucking hate the Redskins. Due to the persronal problems. Monk won't get in. If Irvin gets in, then it's their choice. All I know is that Irvin is a dumb fuck when it comes to being a "analyst." Stabler better get in the hall, because there are only one left handed passer in (Steve Young.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted November 23, 2005 Back in his playing days, I remember hearing announcers say what a lock Monk would be for the Hall of Fame, and not one of them was Mike Patrick. And why is it Monk's "final year" of eligibility when people like Stabler, Greenwood and Ray Guy are on that list?... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Leelee Report post Posted November 23, 2005 All I care about is that Thurman gets in. The only place he's behind Barry Sanders in, is longevity. It's a shame how much he's overlooked. If Irvin gets in, then it's their choice. All I know is that Irvin is a dumb fuck when it comes to being a "analyst." While that may be true, Irvin's career is definitely good enough to get him in the HOF. I do think they should make him wait another year, with the stellar class this year... but, he's going in with Aikman, because of what 2GOLD said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted November 23, 2005 Just to echo your Thurman statement a little, when looking at the list I went and looked at Thurman's stats. When I noticed he was 1st or 2nd in the league in total yards from scrimmage for about 5 straight years it shocked the hell out of me. He never gets talked about in the great RB discussions. I don't think he is in the top 5 RB discussion, but there is no reason he shouldn't be in the next group. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted November 23, 2005 Its a bit sad that Thurman Thomas will only be remembered for the helmet he forgot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Leelee Report post Posted November 23, 2005 Yes, Thurman was 1st in overall yardage from 1990-93. Screw Kelly, Thurman was the main reason the Bills' offense was so great back in the day. I compare him a lot to LT, today... except Thurman was never really a true workhorse back with the amount of carries, because he always had worries with his knee. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheDevilAndGodAreRagingInsideMe 0 Report post Posted November 25, 2005 Harry Carson played with the Giants alongside LT as well... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
