Smackdown Spoilers from England...

[Guest The Mustang]

Exactly, what I don't get is the WWE has so much great talent, for example, Shelton Benjamin, why not after Suvivor Series have him beat Angle or something and go back after the IC Title..i know it's two diffrent shows, just an example. I say give the title to Orton, actually Eddie was gonna win it, but as we all know he passed away before he could..let Batsy take off after suvivor series and have Orton win the title or give someone else a push.

[Foshi]

Exactly, what I don't get is the WWE has so much great talent, for example, Shelton Benjamin, why not after Suvivor Series have him beat Angle or something and go back after the IC Title..i know it's two diffrent shows, just an example. I say give the title to Orton, actually Eddie was gonna win it, but as we all know he passed away before he could..let Batsy take off after suvivor series and have Orton win the title or give someone else a push.

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Bob. Holly.

[Guest Ransome]

Well, at least they didn't put the title on Orton.  At least for now.

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If they didn't put the title on him now, I think (and hope) it indicates that Orton won't be getting it anytime soon. If Batista's injury truly will heal in 4-6 weeks, I can't see Orton having another opportunity to win it before then. At this stage, it looks as though we're safe from another lacklustre Orton reign for a while.

[Hunter's Torn Quad]

Batista will be out for at least two months. Don't rule out an Orton title reign just yet.

[LaParkaYourCar]

Well so much for Juventud having heat. He's right back to being CW champ. Doesn't that make him like a 3 time CW champ since coming to WWE? (not counting his WCW runs with the belt)

[Guest New Jake]

Well at least Orton's boring ass isn't champion and hopefully never will be. Having this nobody win the title on a taped event would have been a disaster let alone giving Orton the belt at all. And why do you people act as if Orton's the only choice? I'll agree he's the worst choice. But not the only. They can just as easily put the belt on Rey Mysterio. Only difference is the fans would give a shit. Orton sucks and has nothing to bring to the table with a belt round his waste. His legend killer crap grew stale months ago.

[LaParkaYourCar]

Smackdown is always taped, so there's no getting around that.

[HollywoodSpikeJenkins]

I thought we all agreed that you can't put the World Heavyweight Title on Rey Mysterio.

[Guest New Jake]

No, we all agreed you cannot put the belt on a boring, semi-over greenhorn heel. And you shouldn't put the belt on a steroid abusing/injury prone fuck up either.

 

Rey Mysterio is the better choice. Fuck whatever excuse you have. You can easily book this guy to be champion.

[HollywoodSpikeJenkins]

When my 14 year old cousin is bigger than Rey Mysterio, no, you can't.

[Dark Age]

I thought we all agreed it was stupid to say you can't put the belt on Rey Mysterio.

[Si82]

- Booker T vs. Chris Benoit for the United States Title went to a draw after two referees got involved and each counted a pinfall as both men had their shoulders on the mat. Teddy Long declared the title vacant and that Booker T vs. Benoit was made for Survivor Series as the first in a ‘Best of Seven’ match, with the winner being declared the new US Champion.

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It's not bad enough that they only did this very same thing with Booker and Cena last year but that this very same thing happend in WCW seven years ago.

 

This is a company with no new ideas. No wonder I hate WWE.

[Black Lushus]

I thought we all agreed it was stupid to say you can't put the belt on Rey Mysterio.

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we did...

[King Cucaracha]

I still don't buy Rey as Heavyweight Champion. The structure of Rey matches mean he's on the defensive for 80-90% of his matches, against everyone. He's the natural babyface in peril. Having a guy who gets beaten up for the majority of every match and is always at a disadvantage as the World Champion? Not convincing. They can't team him with guys like Batista and Taker during his reign, because people will just say 'well, why is Batista teaming with Rey when he could kick his ass just like *that*?' I still don't buy it.

 

And besides that, the idea Vince would put the belt on Rey in the first place is pretty funny. When was the last time Rey was in US Title contention, let alone the World Title?

[Team Angle Pusher]

I still don't buy Rey as Heavyweight Champion. The structure of Rey matches mean he's on the defensive for 80-90% of his matches, against everyone. He's the natural babyface in peril. Having a guy who gets beaten up for the majority of every match and is always at a disadvantage as the World Champion? Not convincing. They can't team him with guys like Batista and Taker during his reign, because people will just say 'well, why is Batista teaming with Rey when he could kick his ass just like *that*?' I still don't buy it.

 

And besides that, the idea Vince would put the belt on Rey in the first place is pretty funny. When was the last time Rey was in US Title contention, let alone the World Title?

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I like a World Heavyweight Champion who gets beaten up and then makes a return somewhere in the match. The crowd loves it and he'll be known as a "Monster Killer" like Shawn Michaels was as well. Don't team him up with Undertaker anyways. He can be a champion who gives Midcarders a change to win the belt as well, so he can put on some good matches.

 

The writers said they don't see Rey as a Cruiserweight anymore and they are thinking about making him a main eventer.

[HollywoodSpikeJenkins]

Main eventer for Rey = jobs to Orton/Lashley/JBL.

[Guest New Jake]

As in they should all job to Rey? Agreed.

[HollywoodSpikeJenkins]

But they won't.

[Guest New Jake]

I still don't buy Rey as Heavyweight Champion. The structure of Rey matches mean he's on the defensive for 80-90% of his matches, against everyone. He's the natural babyface in peril. Having a guy who gets beaten up for the majority of every match and is always at a disadvantage as the World Champion? Not convincing. They can't team him with guys like Batista and Taker during his reign, because people will just say 'well, why is Batista teaming with Rey when he could kick his ass just like *that*?' I still don't buy it.

 

And besides that, the idea Vince would put the belt on Rey in the first place is pretty funny. When was the last time Rey was in US Title contention, let alone the World Title?

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Thats a load of shit. The bookers could easily book Rey around big guys. This is the same cruserweight who pinned Kevin Nash. They could just book such matches in ways where Rey finds ways to outsmart the big guys. This kid beat Angle and JBL cleanly. You telling me he couldnt handle an overrated steroid pumping beaf fuck like Batista?

 

Becides, wasn't it a month or so ago that loser Randy Orton needed help from his dad to beat this kid? And your saying Rey can't handle main eventers?

[HollywoodSpikeJenkins]

He doesn't look like a World Champion.

 

 

Bottom line.

[Guest New Jake]

Thats your excuse Orton mark. Who gives a flying fuck about look?

[HollywoodSpikeJenkins]

Actually, let me rephrase that. Who cares about looks? Have you watched the product in the past couple of years?

 

 

And I'm not an Orton mark...

[Black Lushus]

He doesn't look like a World Champion.

 

 

Bottom line.

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Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels looked like world champions? Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit and Chris Jericho looked like world champions?

[Hoff]

There's a lot of 6' guys in the business. They're small, but there's a lot of them, and so they don't look as freakish. Outside of the cruiser ranks, there's almost nobody 5'7 (right?), and there's really not even that many counting cruisers.

 

I'm not saying that's what makes a champion, or even what makes the "look" of a champion, but it debunks your argument pretty well.

 

Hart, Michaels, et al could stand amongst peers, so to speak. Rey's always going to be the smallest.

[Dark Age]

Rey's been positioned ABOVE the US title for a while now. He faced JBL at NM, in the 3rd biggest match. He faced Eddie at SS(when the US title wasn't on the card), GAB(second biggest match after the WHC), JD(same as GAB) and WM(US title not on the card). He won all of those (Eddie) matches. He beat JBL, and has had him beat two other times before blatant DQs. Same with Orton recently.

 

The real bottom line is that Rey as WHC would do no worse business than what they're doing right now. It wouldn't hurt anyone, the crowd wouldn't turn on it, other guys wouldn't lose cred. It would work.

[pochorenella]

So what exactly is the World Champion "look"? Is there a standard to be followed? In size, body shape/weight? Overall looks?

[Hoff]

You're asking two questions:

 

1. Is there a standard look one needs to have to be a credible champion?

2. Is there a standard look one needs to have to be WWE Champion?

 

1 is the matter in debate currently, but 2 is easily answered by looking at WWE's track record. Especially recently. Michaels in 2002 was the last "small" guy to get the belt, and it was a one-month run to capitalize on his return popularity. Everyone else has been tall, jacked to hell, or both. Rey might be pretty ripped, but he's also pretty short, and so it's hard to envision him as champ, as much as many of us would like it.

 

Here's the thing, though; if they put the belt on him, we'd find out the definitive answer to question 1, which could change the answer for 2. If only.

[Team Angle Pusher]

1. You are a credible champion when the people are convinced of your ability, when you have earned the belt and when you have defeated other big wrestlers (with or without the title). There is no certain "look" you need for this.

 

2. You need to have a face that people don't mind looking at. I mean they would turn away if Tomko was the Champ and he was in 20 minute promos talking. You need to have charisma and you need to be acceptable on the mic, or you need a good manager.

[Black Lushus]

compare the body type of Bret Hart, HBK, Benoit, Jericho, Angle and Guerrero to the usual body type for champions from not only the WWE but WCW as well: Hogan, Sid, Goldberg, Steiner, Nash, Rock, JBL, UT, Booker T, Lesnar, HHH, Batista, Yokozuna, Sting (pre-Crow), Warrior, even Cena and Austin...these guys are the status quo for a champion, whether we like it or agree or not...so Hollywood Jenkins says, Rey doesn't LOOK like a champion, that's when I said neither did Hart, HBK, etc. but they're former champions...I think it's retarded to go by LOOKS...go by ability, go by believability...can we believe world champion Rey Mysterio can beat challenger Dave Batista...of course we can, if they book it correctly...on paper no, but that's the fun thing about upsets and cinderella stories...

[hyperchord24]

Yeah, they need to really work hard and book him correctly if I'm to believe rey as champ. He needs long programs with the hosses, so he can demonstrate his resourcefuness in the ring. Plus, he needs to win with a small package, and to celebrate, bring his wife and kid in the ring and shake hands and hug batista. That's the way I would believe rey as champ.