The Rose Bowl Thread

[2GOLD 0]

I do have to agree with Matt Leinart on the better team part. Vince Young had the greatest performance that I've ever seen tonight and without him, Texas is sitting in the Independence Bowl.

 

Without Young, Texas isn't IN a bowl.

[Guest bigm350]

Does Vince go #1 over Bush now?

 

Depends on the trade situation...

 

I'd sure consider taking Vince at #2 over Leinart if I were the Saints GM.

 

I think it depends on the Saints needs. Aaron Brooks sucks at QB. Then again, the running game isn't great, its not bad with a healthy Deuce McAllister.

 

I would take Young over Bush. I don't think I've seen any one player in football impose his will on a game like Vince Young. You see dominating individual performances in sports like baseball and basketball, but you don't see it in football, which is the ultimate team sport. Young is special, and he looks like the QB that Michael Vick isn't. A guy that can revolutionize and change the game.

 

Brooks is gone... He wore out his welcome BEFORE the season and finally got pulled as starter, which had only happened due to injury before.

 

 

As for Deuce, the combo of him, Antowan Smith, and Aaron Stecker at RB and Mike Karney at FB can work if there's a passing game to give them cover.

 

Having someone like Young come in and be a threat to run FORWARD on a scramble, instead of losing 30 yards on a sack, would also help.

 

 

Whatever team Young goes too, either next year, or the year after, should get a veteran QB that can teach Young the ropes of the NFL. Probably a guy like Steve McNair, who was similar to Young, when he was a young QB in the NFL.

 

I think a guy like Young would have little problems adjusting to the NFL. This guy is just a freak, who looks to be unstoppable. Granted, its against college kids, but I've never seen anyone able to do what Young does, at any level of football.

[cabbageboy 0]

You're damned if you do, damned if you don't there really. The way LenDale White had played you gotta think he could get 2 yards.

 

Basically, USC blew this game. The time out on the 2 pt. conversion while a bit silly I don't think cost them the game. How about the idiotic facemask penalty that gave Texas a 1st down instead of having it be 4th down?

[Damaramu 0]

What happened to Reggie Bush? Did the Heisman curse strike?

[Urban Warfare 0]

Young is better than Vick, IMO. Young can break tackles, and is very tough to bring down.

[therealworldschampion 0]

Remember what I said about the media anointing a team the greatest of all time? Looks like it came true again...

[2GOLD 0]

What happened to Reggie Bush? Did the Heisman curse strike?

 

I think that fumble in the first half got in his head and never got out. Add in the Texas defense was locked on him and you get the total. Bush has proven his major flaw, his breaking tackle skills are almost zero.

[Damaramu 0]

I still can't believe Reggie Bush's ill advised pitch.

I hope OU crushes the defending national champs now. With no Vince Young the Big XII once again belongs to the Sooners.

 

I can't believe that performance by Young though. Shit.

So what does everyone think fo where Texas ranks in history now?

[razazteca 0]

Vince Young will run for more TDs than Reggie Bush in the game.

[Urban Warfare 0]

Sources close to Vince say that he is staying for his senior season. And really, who is going to challange Texas?

[yankovic fan 0]

Hmmm.... I wonder what the rest of the board is doing.

[Damaramu 0]

What happened to Reggie Bush? Did the Heisman curse strike?

 

I think that fumble in the first half got in his head and never got out. Add in the Texas defense was locked on him and you get the total. Bush has proven his major flaw, his breaking tackle skills are almost zero.

 

From what I saw in the season he had a hell of a stiff arm.

[Guest]

You guys really need to understand a few things.

 

1. In the NFL, offenses do not run the zone read play, and if they did, it wouldn't work.

 

2. Vince's speed will be neutralized in the NFL, because if you are putting a guy like Ray Lewis or Brian Urlacher on him, he's not going to run past those guys.

 

3. Saying that Young is better than Vick isn't really saying a lot. If we are comparing him to anyone, it's going to have to be a faster version of Aaron Brooks, with the mental ability of a Daunte Culpepper.

 

EDIT: Slight grammar error

Edited January 5, 2006 by Kingofthe909

[therealworldschampion 0]

If Vince stays, Texas will be the preseason #1 for next year. Who else do you see being in the top 5 to start next year?

[Guest Leelee]

So does VInce Young go to the nfl? I say he should, nothing left for him at this level.

 

I'll probably be the only one who thinks he should stay. Besides, if he gets drafted, it will be as a total project... and he won't see the field at least for a year, and probably more.

 

He obviously needs to work on his throwing mechanics. He has to further learn how to read defenses. He has to learn that at the slightest hint of pressure, you can't just run. He's a great college QB... but, he has a lot of bad habits that aren't gonna fly in the NFL.

[Guest bigm350]

I know alot of people will compare Young to Michael Vick. But I really think Young will have a better pro career than Vick. Vick might be a little faster, but Young is built like a tight end, with sprinter's speed. The guy also is a much improved passer, leading the NCAA this year in passing efficiency, so I think he has that skill over Vick already.

[2GOLD 0]

Vince Young will be the next Randall Cunningham.

Cause his ill advised cross field shit will be easy picks in the NFL, his speed will be controlled, and most of the NFL players don't fall for that shutter juke shit anymore since Vick showed up.

[Urban Warfare 0]

If Vince stays, Texas will be the preseason #1 for next year. Who else do you see being in the top 5 to start next year?

 

Ohio State will be there after the beatdown on Notre Dame. Can't really think of anyone else right now.

Edited January 5, 2006 by hockey_fan

[Hogan Made Wrestling 0]

Overall, I'd say this year was the best selection of BCS games ever, despite all the sloppiness and missed kicks (which made for bad technical football but did help to add drama). In particular the last two games were real classics.

[jwpeer 0]

What happened to Reggie Bush? Did the Heisman curse strike?

 

I think that fumble in the first half got in his head and never got out. Add in the Texas defense was locked on him and you get the total. Bush has proven his major flaw, his breaking tackle skills are almost zero.

 

From what I saw in the season he had a hell of a stiff arm.

 

 

Lendale White's stiff arm on the thorpe defensive back of the year (The Texas safety) ... THAT was a fuckin stiff arm.

 

 

I just worry about Bush in the nfl mentally. A. He made that pitch. B. He let it get into his head the rest of the game as well.

 

Randle El did something stupid like that a couple months ago for the steelers...but the difference with him is he let it go immediately after, and managed to make a few good plays later in the game, and in the season.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

This was the first college football game I've seen in a long time in its entirety, and I have to say I found it pretty stupid. Going for fourth down in almost all the situations was the wrong call, not to mention the fact that QB's can run wayy too easily, and the defense really falls apart all around. The NFL is a much better game, a guy like Vince Young wouldn't be able to do half the shit he tried tonight.

[2GOLD 0]

Florida State will just because it's Bowden and he usually automatically gets the five hole even when they don't deserve it. Notre Dame will DEFINATELY be in the top ten and I can see them being a top five because the media loves them.

 

Ohio State, Texas and USC.

 

I've got:

1. Texas (if Young returns)

2. USC

3. Ohio St.

4. Notre Dame

5. Florida St.

[Damaramu 0]

Porter pointed out something to me. I got both my wishes this holiday season. OU won and USC lost. Sure it was at a price with Texas winning(as i explained long ago) but damn USC lost!

I still can't believe those two DBs at Texas killed each other trying to stop Dwayne Jarrett. That's what prompted my original calling of the Texas defense as pussies. They still did play like girls for most of the second half.

 

So were a lot of those runs by Young his amazing ability or USC just playing shity defense?

[Guest bigm350]

You guys really need to understand a few things.

 

1. In the NFL, offenses do not run the zone read play, and if they did, it wouldn't work.

 

2. Vince's speed will be neutralized in the NFL, because if you are putting a guy like Ray Lewis or Brian Urlacher on him, he's not going to run past those guys.

 

3. Saying that Young is better than Vick isn't really saying a lot. If we are comparing him to anyone, it's going to have to be a faster version of Aaron Brooks, with the mental ability of a Daunte Culpepper.

 

EDIT: Slight grammar error

 

I don't really know about Young's speed being neutralized in the NFL. Michael Vick has closed in on a thousand yards a few times in his career; if he hasn't already broken that barrier already. Young seems to be about as fast as Vick, and is alot harder to bring down

[Guest]

If Vince stays, Texas will be the preseason #1 for next year. Who else do you see being in the top 5 to start next year?

I'm going like this.

 

IF VINCE STAYS

1. Texas

2. Michigan

3. Ohio State

4. Notre Dame

5. Miami

 

He's gone, we'll push LSU to 5th. USC will be at 10th unless Bush comes back, if he does they'll be 6th or 7th.

 

Vince Young will be the next Randall Cunningham.

Cause his ill advised cross field shit will be easy picks in the NFL, his speed will be controlled, and most of the NFL players don't fall for that shutter juke shit anymore since Vick showed up.

That's exactly what I was thinking.

[jwpeer 0]

You guys really need to understand a few things.

 

1. In the NFL, offenses do not run the zone read play, and if they did, it wouldn't work.

 

2. Vince's speed will be neutralized in the NFL, because if you are putting a guy like Ray Lewis or Brian Urlacher on him, he's not going to run past those guys.

 

3. Saying that Young is better than Vick isn't really saying a lot. If we are comparing him to anyone, it's going to have to be a faster version of Aaron Brooks, with the mental ability of a Daunte Culpepper.

 

EDIT: Slight grammar error

 

 

QFT

 

As I said earlier, much of Texas success is due to the horrible adjustment to the zone read play by USC, in addition to their poor recovery speed. Johnathan Vilma, James Farrior, Brian Urlacher, Ray Lewis, Zach Thomas. Those guys don't make mistakes like falling for that stupid ball fake, and they're gonna run Vince Young down and impale him on the ground. Then someone like Shaun Rogers is gonna bat down all his passes until he learns to hold the ball higher....the nfl and college game are just a world apart.

[Guest]

I don't really know about Young's speed being neutralized in the NFL. Michael Vick has closed in on a thousand yards a few times in his career; if he hasn't already broken that barrier already. Young seems to be about as fast as Vick, and is alot harder to bring down

His size makes him harder to bring down, but it also makes him a bigger target with players that simply do not miss tackles. Sean Taylor or Ed Reed would kill him.

 

As I said earlier, much of Texas success is due to the horrible adjustment to the zone read play by USC, in addition to their poor recovery speed.

I don't really think it was poor coaching, but that they have jack shit at corner and linebacker.

Edited January 5, 2006 by Kingofthe909

[UZI Suicide 0]

Here's my top 5 for next year..

 

1.) Texas

2.) Ohio State

3.) Notre Dame (if Quinn stays)

4.) USC (moves up to 2 if White stays)

5.) Miami

[Damaramu 0]

This is why I love taking college football so seriously! I get the rush and near heart attack. I almost threw up when Texas went down 12.

[therealworldschampion 0]

Here's my top 5 for next year..

 

1.) Texas

2.) Ohio State

3.) Notre Dame (if Quinn stays)

4.) USC (moves up to 2 if White stays)

5.) Miami

 

I can't see Miami being in the top 5 after that clunker they put up against LSU. I'd actually put West Virginia up in the 5th spot since they don't lose much and White and Slaton are both back.