Armageddon Predictions

[hyperchord24 0]

Orton LOSES to the Undertaker in the blow-off match? Who books this crap?

Won't the blow off match be the buried alive match? Or has that happened? No, that was the casket match.

 

I believe the natural progression is casket -> HIAC -> Buried alive matches with UT. Orton will win the buried alive match at the next ppv.

[Guest JMA]

On the latest Figure Four Daily radio show, Bryan Alvarez said the reason Matt Hardy was buried last night (and recently on TV) was because at Survivor Series at the end of the show where Taker was killing a bunch of guys to get to Orton, Matt was supposed to take a chokeslam. Well instead of taking it, he bailed out. The next day, Taker chewed Matt out in front of the entire lockerroom and guys in the back have now distanced themselves from Hardy. Part of his punishment was the 8-10 minute glorified squash match last night vs. JBL.

Any word on why Orton jobbed to Taker?

[Dangerous A 0]

No, but I'm guessing because Taker didn't feel like it.

[Guest JMA]

No, but I'm guessing because Taker didn't feel like it.

I wonder if Taker has any heat for the Hardy and Orton situations. It kind of seems like some of the younger wrestlers have been getting shafted (not just those two). I mean even more than usual.

[cabbageboy 0]

I said a while back that something needed to be done to tone down this insane Orton push. Jobbing him last night won't stop them from having him win the Rumble, or winning the title. It's goofy though because it doesn't seem a particularly good way to build up a heel. Compare it to Shawn circa 97, when he beats refuses to job to Bulldog in England, beats UT in HIAC, does the screwjob on Bret in Montreal, and beat UT again in the casket match.

 

Smackdown isn't going to do shit the next few weeks anyway, with Christmas and New Year's upcoming. When they get back it'll be time to start hyping the Rumble, so no one will care about Orton jobbing here. Not like anyone ordered the show anyway.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

The only reason I can see Undertaker winning last night would be so he would have an excuse to challenge Orton for the World Heavyweight Title at Judgment Day or something should RKO still be crowned champion at WM.

[Guest wildpegasus]

On the latest Figure Four Daily radio show, Bryan Alvarez said the reason Matt Hardy was buried last night (and recently on TV) was because at Survivor Series at the end of the show where Taker was killing a bunch of guys to get to Orton, Matt was supposed to take a chokeslam. Well instead of taking it, he bailed out. The next day, Taker chewed Matt out in front of the entire lockerroom and guys in the back have now distanced themselves from Hardy. Part of his punishment was the 8-10 minute glorified squash match last night vs. JBL.

Any word on why Orton jobbed to Taker?

 

Because 99% of the fans watching wanted Taker to win? Why would anyone want Orton to win? Why would anyone watching from a kayfabe perspective expect Orton to win? Seriously? Unless you're a girl or a homosexual who likes Randy Orton's supposed pretty face why would you cheer for Orton to win? The only reason a "fan" would want Orton to win is because they're "smart" and think it's a good idea to push Orton because that's what the WWE is reportably going to do.

 

And really that's stupid too becasue as we all know the WWE's booking is pretty horrible right now. Everyone agrees on that but yet the smark population as a whole generally wants Orton to win???? We're all sudden believers of the WWE booking system? We all believe Orton is the #1 wrestler to go to?? Why this sudden 180 degree turnaround? Let's face it. Even if Orton won last night the WWE would screw up his push. So even from that perspective there's no sense in having Orton win. Let Taker have his night. Let the fans be happy for once. If anyone was cheering for Orton last night out of smarkness than I must say I feel sorry for you as you have lost all perspective on what is to be a fan.

[Guest wildpegasus]

No, but I'm guessing because Taker didn't feel like it.

 

The "I'm not feeling it" is one of my favourite quotes of all time. I even use it now and again in real life.

[snuffbox 0]

As do I. Its alot quicker than making excuses when people want me to do stupid shit with them.

[hyperchord24 0]

On the latest Figure Four Daily radio show, Bryan Alvarez said the reason Matt Hardy was buried last night (and recently on TV) was because at Survivor Series at the end of the show where Taker was killing a bunch of guys to get to Orton, Matt was supposed to take a chokeslam. Well instead of taking it, he bailed out. The next day, Taker chewed Matt out in front of the entire lockerroom and guys in the back have now distanced themselves from Hardy. Part of his punishment was the 8-10 minute glorified squash match last night vs. JBL.

Any word on why Orton jobbed to Taker?

 

Because 99% of the fans watching wanted Taker to win? Why would anyone want Orton to win? Why would anyone watching from a kayfabe perspective expect Orton to win? Seriously? Unless you're a girl or a homosexual who likes Randy Orton's supposed pretty face why would you cheer for Orton to win? The only reason a "fan" would want Orton to win is because they're "smart" and think it's a good idea to push Orton because that's what the WWE is reportably going to do.

 

And really that's stupid too becasue as we all know the WWE's booking is pretty horrible right now. Everyone agrees on that but yet the smark population as a whole generally wants Orton to win???? We're all sudden believers of the WWE booking system? We all believe Orton is the #1 wrestler to go to?? Why this sudden 180 degree turnaround? Let's face it. Even if Orton won last night the WWE would screw up his push. So even from that perspective there's no sense in having Orton win. Let Taker have his night. Let the fans be happy for once. If anyone was cheering for Orton last night out of smarkness than I must say I feel sorry for you as you have lost all perspective on what is to be a fan.

Orton going over saves him SOME credibility in the eyes of the fans. Him looking like the UT's bitch and then going over Batista for the title is not believable in the least.

 

The 'E sucks at blow-off matches, but I think there's one more match between these two, where Orton should win.

[Matt Young 0]

On the latest Figure Four Daily radio show, Bryan Alvarez said the reason Matt Hardy was buried last night (and recently on TV) was because at Survivor Series at the end of the show where Taker was killing a bunch of guys to get to Orton, Matt was supposed to take a chokeslam. Well instead of taking it, he bailed out. The next day, Taker chewed Matt out in front of the entire lockerroom and guys in the back have now distanced themselves from Hardy. Part of his punishment was the 8-10 minute glorified squash match last night vs. JBL.

Any word on why Orton jobbed to Taker?

 

Because 99% of the fans watching wanted Taker to win? Why would anyone want Orton to win? Why would anyone watching from a kayfabe perspective expect Orton to win? Seriously? Unless you're a girl or a homosexual who likes Randy Orton's supposed pretty face why would you cheer for Orton to win? The only reason a "fan" would want Orton to win is because they're "smart" and think it's a good idea to push Orton because that's what the WWE is reportably going to do.

 

And really that's stupid too becasue as we all know the WWE's booking is pretty horrible right now. Everyone agrees on that but yet the smark population as a whole generally wants Orton to win???? We're all sudden believers of the WWE booking system? We all believe Orton is the #1 wrestler to go to?? Why this sudden 180 degree turnaround? Let's face it. Even if Orton won last night the WWE would screw up his push. So even from that perspective there's no sense in having Orton win. Let Taker have his night. Let the fans be happy for once. If anyone was cheering for Orton last night out of smarkness than I must say I feel sorry for you as you have lost all perspective on what is to be a fan.

 

 

Although I did feel that Orton winning would lend him some much-needed credibility, the main reason I wanted to see Orton win is because I have always and still do enjoy watching Randy Orton more than The Undertaker. It was that way in Orton's SD debut, it was that way when I was sitting at the Staples Center for WrestleMania 21, was that wayat SummerSlam and No Mercy, and it's that way now.

[Guest AndrewisyourHero]

[SuperJerk 0]

Any word on why Orton jobbed to Taker?

 

Because 99% of the fans watching wanted Taker to win? Why would anyone want Orton to win? Why would anyone watching from a kayfabe perspective expect Orton to win? Seriously? Unless you're a girl or a homosexual who likes Randy Orton's supposed pretty face why would you cheer for Orton to win? The only reason a "fan" would want Orton to win is because they're "smart" and think it's a good idea to push Orton because that's what the WWE is reportably going to do.

 

And really that's stupid too becasue as we all know the WWE's booking is pretty horrible right now. Everyone agrees on that but yet the smark population as a whole generally wants Orton to win???? We're all sudden believers of the WWE booking system? We all believe Orton is the #1 wrestler to go to?? Why this sudden 180 degree turnaround? Let's face it. Even if Orton won last night the WWE would screw up his push. So even from that perspective there's no sense in having Orton win. Let Taker have his night. Let the fans be happy for once. If anyone was cheering for Orton last night out of smarkness than I must say I feel sorry for you as you have lost all perspective on what is to be a fan.

Are you kidding?

 

Heels need to win big matches in order to look like threats to the top babyfaces. Its not that anybody "wants" Orton to win, but given that he's the chosen one to be the top heel, it doesn't make any sense to job him out to anyone but the top face. Otherwise, the babyfasces win 100% of the time, and the product gets really boring really fast.

 

Now, if you want to argue that Orton shouldn't be the top heel, then you've got a good point and I wouldn't argue with you. However, since Orton IS the top heel, it doesn't make sense to job him out, and the question of why he was jobbed out when he's alledgedly being built up as the top contender and a legit threat to Batista is a good one worth asking.

 

It has nothing to do with "wanting" someone to win, and everything to do with trying to understand why things were done from a perspective of building up to a strong WM card.

[Guest Ransome]

Because 99% of the fans watching wanted Taker to win? Why would anyone want Orton to win? Why would anyone watching from a kayfabe perspective expect Orton to win? Seriously? Unless you're a girl or a homosexual who likes Randy Orton's supposed pretty face why would you cheer for Orton to win? The only reason a "fan" would want Orton to win is because they're "smart" and think it's a good idea to push Orton because that's what the WWE is reportably going to do.

 

I don't particularly like Orton, but I simply fail to see the point of booking an interminably long feud (12 months) that is so ridiculously one-sided. Undertaker should have lost.

[Guest clockworkraven]

 

TSM and Wikipedia don't mix.

[Guest JMA]

On the latest Figure Four Daily radio show, Bryan Alvarez said the reason Matt Hardy was buried last night (and recently on TV) was because at Survivor Series at the end of the show where Taker was killing a bunch of guys to get to Orton, Matt was supposed to take a chokeslam. Well instead of taking it, he bailed out. The next day, Taker chewed Matt out in front of the entire lockerroom and guys in the back have now distanced themselves from Hardy. Part of his punishment was the 8-10 minute glorified squash match last night vs. JBL.

Any word on why Orton jobbed to Taker?

 

Because 99% of the fans watching wanted Taker to win? Why would anyone want Orton to win? Why would anyone watching from a kayfabe perspective expect Orton to win? Seriously? Unless you're a girl or a homosexual who likes Randy Orton's supposed pretty face why would you cheer for Orton to win? The only reason a "fan" would want Orton to win is because they're "smart" and think it's a good idea to push Orton because that's what the WWE is reportably going to do.

 

And really that's stupid too becasue as we all know the WWE's booking is pretty horrible right now. Everyone agrees on that but yet the smark population as a whole generally wants Orton to win???? We're all sudden believers of the WWE booking system? We all believe Orton is the #1 wrestler to go to?? Why this sudden 180 degree turnaround? Let's face it. Even if Orton won last night the WWE would screw up his push. So even from that perspective there's no sense in having Orton win. Let Taker have his night. Let the fans be happy for once. If anyone was cheering for Orton last night out of smarkness than I must say I feel sorry for you as you have lost all perspective on what is to be a fan.

I'm not an Orton fan at all (check out my previous posts in this thread). Frankly, I despise Orton fangirls and people that think he's the future. That doesn't mean that I dislike Orton, I just think he's insanely overrated (and I hate having to use the word "overrated"). I was just wondering why WWE decided not to have him go over, seeing as how they think highly of him.

[iggymcfly 0]

Undertaker is played out as shit. His character's regressed about ten years in the last two, and I don't even like seeing him on the TV screen anymore.

 

I'd honestly go so far as to say that if I'm flipping channels, Randy Orton's probably the only one on the Smackdown roster that will make me stop. His character at least rings true somewhat and seems a little bit real. Everyone else on the roster is either a caricature or a vanilla jobber; Orton's the only one that has any depth whatsoever. The stupid retirement angle last week was goofy as shit, but he pulled it off well enough to keep me interested for five minutes or so.

[Guest DuDe]

I think that Orton looked good in this match. Taker eventually winning may have been politics on Calaway's side, but Orton did a pretty good job with the reversed Tombstone and the RKO on the top rope, so he didn't look like a pussy. Good match overall.

 

Oh, I would also like to mention that I was one of the only posters that predicted a Taker win : http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/index.php?showtopic=75813#

 

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This man speaks the absolute truth.

Edited December 20, 2005 by DuDe

[Guest Leelee]

Frankly, I despise Orton fangirls and people that think he's the future.

 

 

Well... I despise everyone that doesn't love my Randall!!!

[nl5xsk1 0]

Because 99% of the fans watching wanted Taker to win? Why would anyone want Orton to win? Why would anyone watching from a kayfabe perspective expect Orton to win? Seriously? Unless you're a girl or a homosexual who likes Randy Orton's supposed pretty face why would you cheer for Orton to win? The only reason a "fan" would want Orton to win is because they're "smart" and think it's a good idea to push Orton because that's what the WWE is reportably going to do.

I hate to pile on, since so many other posters have pointed out the ass-backwardness of this post ... but I can't help myself.

 

To start with, why would anyone want Orton to win? Because he's not a 40-year-old man playing a gimmick that should have been shelved 5 years ago, when he should have retired. Why would anyone cheer for Orton to win? Maybe because they hate the Undertaker. Or they like rooting for heels. Or they just like the Orton gimmick. And why would someone think that Orton would win? This is where things might get a bit shocking ... because IT MADE SENSE FOR HIM TO WIN. Having a geriatric go over the younger talent is NOT a good idea, and does nothing for the good of the company in the long run.

 

 

And really that's stupid too becasue as we all know the WWE's booking is pretty horrible right now. Everyone agrees on that but yet the smark population as a whole generally wants Orton to win???? We're all sudden believers of the WWE booking system? We all believe Orton is the #1 wrestler to go to?? Why this sudden 180 degree turnaround? Let's face it. Even if Orton won last night the WWE would screw up his push. So even from that perspective there's no sense in having Orton win . Let Taker have his night. Let the fans be happy for once. If anyone was cheering for Orton last night out of smarkness than I must say I feel sorry for you as you have lost all perspective on what is to be a fan.

The part I highlighted is laughable. If they're going to screw everything up, why bother doing anything then, I guess. Let Taker have his night? The guy's had more nights than just about anyone in the history of the sport. And if they needed to send the fans home happy, have Taker beat the piss out of both Ortons off-camera once the PPV was over. Damaging the guy that should be the #1 contender is not a wise move.

[The Czech Republic 0]

Having a geriatric go over the younger talent is NOT a good idea, and does nothing for the good of the company in the long run.

Having Randy Orton win does no good either, because nobody gives a damn about Randy Orton.

[Black Lushus 0]

Orton needed to be pushed because there's no one else to push right now...that's the corner that booking and real life events have put them in...now they're going to have to totally shake something up (Batista/Rey's friendship going sour would be my guess or a Batista heel turn and a program with UT) in order to recover...is Randy Orton totally fucked? of course not, but he certainly can't be in a WM ME program at this point.

[nl5xsk1 0]

Having a geriatric go over the younger talent is NOT a good idea, and does nothing for the good of the company in the long run.

Having Randy Orton win does no good either, because nobody gives a damn about Randy Orton.

But in a few years, Taker will (hopefully) be retired, and Orton will (likely) still be around. Regardless of how over someone is or not, it's time to start thinking about having a roster with some depth in a few years. If the young guys keep losing now, there's no way they'll be in a position to be taken seriously in the future.

[Guest Leelee]

Having a geriatric go over the younger talent is NOT a good idea, and does nothing for the good of the company in the long run.

Having Randy Orton win does no good either, because nobody gives a damn about Randy Orton.

 

How many girls has Randall fucked.

 

How many girls have you fucked.

 

JEALOUS ROLF.

[naiwf 0]

How many guys has Randall fucked.

 

How many girls have you fucked.

 

JEALOUS ROLF.

 

Now if that's the question, then yes I'm sure I've lost by a wide margin

Edited December 20, 2005 by naiwf