MikeJordan23 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2005 Giambi can actually produce. And Torre has stated that Chacon will definitley be in the rotation, and Wrights going to the bullpen. I'd guess it will be RJ/Moose/Pavano/Chacon/Wang. And the Cardnials have signed Sidney Ponson. I think thats gonna end up being a good move. True, but he worked his way back from having a horrible season, to almost being worth his contract. And the only reason he got so many chances cause of his contract. I think the same will happen with Wright. Not to mention, Chacon is more useful out of the bullpen then Wright is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mike546 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2005 Wright can kiss my ass. He can't throw strikes, he can't get hitters out, he's injury prone, and he gets hit on the mound all the time, so that must be a sign from god telling him to retire. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Precious Roy 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2005 wow, all kinds of shit going down... How clean cut do you guys think Damon will have to be to meet Yankee standards? Giambi-ish...minus the roids and parasites... I guess I'm the only one who doesn't want Damon in pinstripes simply because he was on the '04 Sox. I think we're gonna go 90 years without a title for signing anyone from that team.... Well, if your theory holds water we're already fucked, picked up both Bellhorn and Embree down the stretch last season.... I'm a little torn on the Damon signing, feeling like it'll balance out in the end, not great, not bad, just is what it is. But, we really needed a CF, and Damon is a very good hitter, especially with the lineup he'll be teeing off for in the Bronx. I'm not so concerned about the arm, because he does have very good range and instincts. Carl Crawford may have scored from second off him once, but Carl Crawford is also the fastest baserunner in the game, and Damon's hair probably got in his eyes or some shit, which won't be a problem anymore. Plus, it's a real slap in the face to the Red Sox, which is cool, and I think Damon will be really motivated to be great next season. It's going to make the rivalry that much more interesting, that's for sure, and it creates a ton of material for the media and fans, which is always entertaining.... The negatives are, a) $13 mil, and b) 4 years. But my feeling is, we're pretty much built to win in the next few years, Torre is old, the pitching staff is old, Mo is getting up there, Posada, Giambi, Jeter isn't getting any younger....obviously we want to be in the hunt 4-5-6 years from now, but with the makeup of the team we have to go for it right now as much as is reasonably possible. Maybe he won't be so great when he's 36 going on 37, but I think they should definitely get 2-3 years out of him where he performs at the level that is expected. Also, a lot of bad money has come off the books, so they can afford to overspend a bit to lock up a player they really want. The money is way out there, a lot more than I would want to pay for Johnny Damon. But by the same token, the Sox were probably offering him close to as much by a few mil less per season, and every FA in demand has been overpaid, it's the reality of the market right now. I think it will be real interesting to see how he's accepted in the clubhouse, but I think in that aspect his presence could be a real positive, and I'd like to see him take a vocal role in some way. Not in veteran leadership or anything like that, we have that, but in being a guy with a good sense of humour who can keep the boys loose, and maybe bridge the gaps between the different personalitys, just bring some good vibes. I mean, I have no idea if he can accomplish that, but I like the attitude he should bring to the table. The Yankee clubhouse has a lot of strong personalitys, but it shouldn't be a problem. But mostly, I love the fact that he's a pro leadoff man who knows how to work counts. That was the one thing that always pissed me off playing against him, that at the top of the order he was real good at being patient, taking his time, waiting for the right pitch. It sets the tone. He frustrates pitchers, gets on base, can distract with his leading/running, and can slug it at a decent rate. Plus, he's got a good glove. He's good in so many areas, on strictly individual merit he's not worth all that loot, but looking at the big picture, and what the Yankees are putting out there, it makes sense. I LOVE the Dotel signing. He was actually one of the few FAs I really wanted the Yankees to make a run at this off-season, knowing what he's capable of, and knowing that it would be low risk/high reward. $2 mil for one season is nothing, he has a fine track record pitching setup, and if it doesn't work out it basically ammounts to a tax write-off. The Texas-San Diego deal cracks me up. Otsuka is old, and he's like the best looking piece for the TX. Eaton is not all that, and Young is young with upside. I can see him dropping the ERA in Petco and putting together nice season next year. Plus San Diego gets Gonzalez. I don't even get why he was supposedly blocked in Texas, when they're the team that traded for Phil Nevin last year. Tex/Blalock/Gonzalez for the corners/DH, Wilkerson/Mench/Delucci in the OF. They were obviously going to trade a couple hitters, but I would think they could make out so much better than Eaton/Otsuka. I like some of the moves the Dodgers have made, Furcal/Garciaparra/Mueller is a nice trio on paper, but the back end of their rotation is a question mark, and they need a full season from Drew. I'd still have to favor San Diego or San Fran, barring any further additions by LA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mike546 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2005 Bernie and Yanks finalize a one year 1.5 million dollar contract. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeJordan23 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2005 Do you guys think the Red Sox could put together a package (Maybe Clement or Arroyo, and some good minor league prospects) for Ken Griffey? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2005 Do you guys think the Red Sox could put together a package (Maybe Clement or Arroyo, and some good minor league prospects) for Ken Griffey? They shouldn't. Griffey's perceived value exceeds his real value. He's fragile and not a particularly adept center fielder. He's certainly not fit to deal with the angles at Fenway Park. And him and Ramirez side by side could be a disaster. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeJordan23 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2005 Do you guys think the Red Sox could put together a package (Maybe Clement or Arroyo, and some good minor league prospects) for Ken Griffey? They shouldn't. Griffey's perceived value exceeds his real value. He's fragile and not a particularly adept center fielder. He's certainly not fit to deal with the angles at Fenway Park. And him and Ramirez side by side could be a disaster. Fragile? Yes. But the upside of the deal is huge, and if you're getting rid of one of your contracts, the money isn't really that big of a deal. He still hits for a lot of power, still gets on base (Better than Damon last year), and will be another legit threat in their lineup. And it's not like Jonny Damon was actually Willie Mays out there last year either, and he has no arm. I understand the injury concern, but other than that, don't see the down side (Though I guess that could be enough to stir clear of him). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Failed Bridge 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2005 was AngleSault's first name Mike? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USC Wuz Robbed! 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2005 No, his name was Matt... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2005 What could the Twins get from the Red Sox, in return for Torii Hunter? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2005 What could the Twins get from the Red Sox, in return for Torii Hunter? That's something of a styles clash. The Sox don't have much to deal in terms of infielders, which is the Twins' greatest need. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2005 Andy Marte would work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2005 Andy Marte would work. Yeah, but I think he's worth more than Torii Hunter. Still, it's a reasonable trade. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2005 Just trade Shoppach for Michaels. That fills both holes left by Damon, in CF and leadoff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2005 Does this mean Johnny Damon's gonna have to get rid of the caveman look? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted December 22, 2005 Rotoworld's reporting that the Cards are set to sign Sidney Ponson to a one-year deal. Well, there's our 2006 NL Comeback Player of the Year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarvinisaLunatic 0 Report post Posted December 22, 2005 Rotoworld's reporting that the Cards are set to sign Sidney Ponson to a one-year deal. Well, there's our 2006 NL Comeback Player of the Year. I feel sorry for St. Louis fans.. .. well actually I dont. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarvinisaLunatic 0 Report post Posted December 22, 2005 The Os also didnt tender Eric Byrnes..and Larry Bigbie who they traded for Byrnes signed with the Cardinals. They also didn't tender Kurt Ainsworth..who was picked up in the trade with SF for Ponson.. bleh. and then they go out and sign Jeff Connine with the anticipation that he will play every day (1B/LF/DH). This is going to be one embarassingly bad team to watch next year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted December 22, 2005 Giants trade Edgardo Alfonzo to the Angels for Steve Finley. Opens up center for Erstad maybe? Let's see Bonds, Finley, Alou. Not going to be a flyball caught all year in that outfield. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted December 22, 2005 The Os also didnt tender Eric Byrnes..and Larry Bigbie who they traded for Byrnes signed with the Cardinals. They also didn't tender Kurt Ainsworth..who was picked up in the trade with SF for Ponson.. bleh. and then they go out and sign Jeff Connine with the anticipation that he will play every day (1B/LF/DH). This is going to be one embarassingly bad team to watch next year. Ainsworth's arm is toast. Byrnes is an average player but with his statistics would earn more than he's worth in arbitration. Byrnes' best OPS+ was 113, in 2003. Conine's career OPS+ is 110, and he matched that last year. I don't think it's a stretch to suggest Conine is a better player than Byrnes. Or Larry Bigbie for that matter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bruiser Chong 0 Report post Posted December 22, 2005 I can only imagine what Finley's already deteriorating numbers will be like in SF. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted December 22, 2005 Does anyone have a source on the Finley trade? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted December 22, 2005 ESPNews is reporting it. Original report is from local station KNBR which is the Giants' station. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted December 22, 2005 Good enough. What's sad is that this makes Moises Alou, at 39, the youngest regular outfielder (we're leaving out Randy Winn because it's fun to pile on). If the Giants lose Bonds again, they're going to be an awful team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
strummer 0 Report post Posted December 22, 2005 Buster Olney still doesn't get it. In his most recent column on espn.com he says one of the big fall outs of Damon signing with the Yankees is that it leaves the Red Sox void of team speed. How could he not know that the Red Sox could give a god damn about stolen bases? I'm sure the reason why the Red Sox scored all those runs the last 3 seasons was because Johnny Damon was really really fast. He also doesn't realize the Yankees are in the same mold as the Red Sox as a pseudo Moneyball team with no emphasis on stolen bases and speed. I guess he thinks what the Yankees need to win a World Series again is to steal more bases, because that's why they won from 96-01. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Precious Roy 0 Report post Posted December 22, 2005 Good enough. What's sad is that this makes Moises Alou, at 39, the youngest regular outfielder (we're leaving out Randy Winn because it's fun to pile on). If the Giants lose Bonds again, they're going to be an awful team. why wouldn't Winn be the full-time CF for San-Fran? Didn't he kill the ball after the trade? He hit better than Finley last year, that's for damn sure. JT Snow is gone, right? Could they be thinking about moving someone to first? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted December 22, 2005 Buster Olney still doesn't get it. In his most recent column on espn.com he says one of the big fall outs of Damon signing with the Yankees is that it leaves the Red Sox void of team speed. How could he not know that the Red Sox could give a god damn about stolen bases? I'm sure the reason why the Red Sox scored all those runs the last 3 seasons was because Johnny Damon was really really fast. He also doesn't realize the Yankees are in the same mold as the Red Sox as a pseudo Moneyball team with no emphasis on stolen bases and speed. I guess he thinks what the Yankees need to win a World Series again is to steal more bases, because that's why they won from 96-01. He's right in a way though. There are other benefits of team speed besides stolen bases. Besides Damon, the Sox also traded Edgar Renteria. Right now there is no one on that team who can run at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted December 22, 2005 (edited) You know what I completely forgot about Randy Winn. Sooo they just acquired a guy owed $14 million for the next two years to be a 4th outfielder. Obviously they need one since you can't rely on Bonds to play everyday but obviously were more sensible options out there. Edited December 22, 2005 by Bored Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Failed Bridge 0 Report post Posted December 22, 2005 Angels can't be giving up on Dallas McPherson already. I don't really get this trade for either team since... McPherson > Alfonso Winn > Finley Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
strummer 0 Report post Posted December 22, 2005 The Red Sox scored tons of runs in the mid 80s with absolutely no speed on the team whatsover. Wade Boggs hit leadoff when OBP wasn't highly thought off. Boggs, Buckner, Jim Rice, Don Baylor, Dwight Evans, Rich Gedman etc, some of the slowest players of all time and they still scored runs. I would rather have smart baserunners rather than just fast base runners, especially in Fenway Park. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
