Better wrestler poll

[World's Worst Man 0]

I can think of a few guys who absolutely destroy Angle in all of those categories, save for mic skills, which aren't really a big deal anyway.

[Guest Coffey]

Well, they're a big deal in McMahonland.

[HandofFate 0]

Well, they're a big deal in McMahonland.

 

and THANK GOD there's other places than McMahonland

[razazteca 0]

those skills need to be super sized.

[Guest Coffey]

I'm just curious but why don't someone make this thread in the WWE forum. I want to see how different the results turn out.

[World's Worst Man 0]

Kurt Angle would win. Afterall, he's da best worker in da world!

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

I'm just curious but why don't someone make this thread in the WWE forum. I want to see how different the results turn out.

 

 

It would be interesting.

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

It's actually tied. I expected it to be rather close with Angle taking the lead, but not tied.

[Adam 0]

Well wow, it must have jumped 20 votes in the last little bit, because it says 47-26 Daniels where I am.

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

No, I mean in the WWE folder. Last I checked, it was tied at 42 or 43 a piece.

[HandofFate 0]

so from the results so far, what kind of information can we get from this poll?

[World's Worst Man 0]

Without seeing everyone's arguments, it's hard to say. Given how the poll breaks down, I'd probably say it's farther apart than what I actually think the difference in ability is. But that's just me.

[HandofFate 0]

well...I was more referring to people who watch TNA have seen a lot more matches that Daniels has been in since they tend to watch independent promotions. Could that lend to all of the Daniels love in here?

 

 

I don't know about anyone else, but I would really like to see what the opinions are for The Dames and JHawk and people who have done reviews on here such as Corey

Edited December 26, 2005 by HandofFate

[Guest Leelee]

I know your "unbiased" line was sarcastic, but I'm sure a lot of us are unbiased when it comes to WWE/TNA.

 

When it comes to Joe, the bandwagon mentality is in full blast.

[EricMM 0]

So's the hating bandwagon...

 

but if you just watch for so-called hotties like Orton, you may not get Joe's appeal.

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

Well, for Joe, it's more-or-less the mentality of "hey, here's a guy who LOOKS legitimately tough, is having really good matches with everybody, and is one of the few X-Division workers that is getting a good push without being overexposed," not to mention the whole ***** match he had with Kobashi (which I need to see), and the 60-minute time limit draw last year with CM Punk that got a 5* review from Meltz.

[SilverPhoenix 0]

I know your "unbiased" line was sarcastic, but I'm sure a lot of us are unbiased when it comes to WWE/TNA.

 

When it comes to Joe, the bandwagon mentality is in full blast.

 

And yet you're the one who keeps bringing up Joe, even though you hate him so much. Maybe I'm not seeing it, but compared to your hate fest of him, the blind devoted fanboy tendecies have been small in comparsion.

 

We know you hate Joe.

We know you love Randy Orton.

We know you think Orton can kill Joe.

 

We know, and we don't give a shit.

[Adam 0]

But she wants us to. She wants us to sooooo bad. You can see that every time she comes into one of these threads Leena is just begging for one of us to bite. And some people do. The people that bite annoy me more than she does. Leena just enjoys being a bitch and having a permanently sandy vagina.

[Guest Leelee]

I know your "unbiased" line was sarcastic, but I'm sure a lot of us are unbiased when it comes to WWE/TNA.

 

When it comes to Joe, the bandwagon mentality is in full blast.

 

And yet you're the one who keeps bringing up Joe, even though you hate him so much. Maybe I'm not seeing it, but compared to your hate fest of him, the blind devoted fanboy tendecies have been small in comparsion.

 

We know you hate Joe.

We know you love Randy Orton.

We know you think Orton can kill Joe.

 

We know, and we don't give a shit.

 

Lolz.

 

Nevermind that I was replying to someone who said a poll on Joe's popularity.

 

And nevermind that I never said I hate Joe.

 

Go back to Sports, and do the usual "my opinion is right" just like half the douches there already do.

[Guest Leelee]

So's the hating bandwagon...

 

but if you just watch for so-called hotties like Orton, you may not get Joe's appeal.

 

While I've posted that I'll never watch SD just because of Orton. Yet, watch TNA. At least PPV's... I'm tired of trying to defend the booking of Impact.

 

And I like Joe. I loved his last match with AJ. But, it's hard for me to see how someone is the best worker in the world... while everyone I've seen has to noticeably slow down for him, basically because he's out-of-shape. He can't sell, at all. "Stiff" shots don't impress me in the slightest. If I wanted to see punches that legitimately hurt, I'd watch real fights.

 

Well, for Joe, it's more-or-less the mentality of "hey, here's a guy who LOOKS legitimately tough, is having really good matches with everybody, and is one of the few X-Division workers that is getting a good push without being overexposed," not to mention the whole ***** match he had with Kobashi (which I need to see), and the 60-minute time limit draw last year with CM Punk that got a 5* review from Meltz.

 

He doesn't look legitimately tough. If you really think he looks tougher than most of the wrestlers on TV today, you're crazy. It's more that he's a fat slob like most of you losers... and he gets to beat up other guys, and go all "stiff" on them. Joe is the epitome of anti-WWE. And "unbiased" sources like Meltzer giving his work 5*, and people here following it, only proves my point.

 

But she wants us to. She wants us to sooooo bad. You can see that every time she comes into one of these threads Leena is just begging for one of us to bite. And some people do. The people that bite annoy me more than she does. Leena just enjoys being a bitch and having a permanently sandy vagina.

 

This coming from about the biggest douche on the board... who said the most ridiculous, disturbing things after Eddie's death, and gleefully writes 10000 word garbage on pretend wrestling matches. I'll take your negativity as a compliment.

[World's Worst Man 0]

But she wants us to. She wants us to sooooo bad. You can see that every time she comes into one of these threads Leena is just begging for one of us to bite. And some people do. The people that bite annoy me more than she does. Leena just enjoys being a bitch and having a permanently sandy vagina.

 

It'd be one thing if her and MikeSC actually knew anything about in-ring work. From what I've seen of their posts, it's clear they don't though. So essentially you're arguing with someone who doesn't know what they're talking about, and who make factually incorrect statements to try and support their opinion. And add to the fact that they're trolls who just want to stir up shit, and the end result is a worthless sack of humanity that should really be ignored by everyone. Ignore list is godliness.

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

Well, for Joe, it's more-or-less the mentality of "hey, here's a guy who LOOKS legitimately tough, is having really good matches with everybody, and is one of the few X-Division workers that is getting a good push without being overexposed," not to mention the whole ***** match he had with Kobashi (which I need to see), and the 60-minute time limit draw last year with CM Punk that got a 5* review from Meltz.

 

He doesn't look legitimately tough. If you really think he looks tougher than most of the wrestlers on TV today, you're crazy. It's more that he's a fat slob like most of you losers... and he gets to beat up other guys, and go all "stiff" on them. Joe is the epitome of anti-WWE. And "unbiased" sources like Meltzer giving his work 5*, and people here following it, only proves my point.

He doesn't? Oh, okay. So I guess Vader didn't look legitimately tough either. Or any member of Hell's Angels. Or any big guy that you'll see in your local pub. Or Bam Bam Bigelow. Notice the direction I'm going? Guys who are just MASSIVE are, more often than not, tougher than those that spend hours toning themselves. I'd rather get into a fight with somebody that tortures themselves to look like a Calvin Klein model than some big guy with a scowl on his fast that can run fast as hell.

 

And yes, I do think he looks tougher than most of the wrestlers on TV today, and for the very reason I just stated. Would you say Mick Foley looks tough? No, of course not. But people that tortured their bodies to look physically magnificent would be crippled after taking the HIAC bumps he did, and yet Foley got back up after BOTH of them. He's a tough bastard, and he's also a big guy, so that only further proves my point of "overall big = tough."

 

Yeah, he probably is the epitome of anti-WWE: strong, hard-working, can work with wrestlers of very different styles to put on varied matches, and is respected heavily by all who've been in the same company as him because of his work ethic, his in-ring talent, and his attitude backstage.

 

Meltzer's biased towards non-WWE workers? So I guess that's why he considers Austin, Flair, Benoit, and Hart to be some of the greatest workers alive, and will talk about how most indy workers are just spotmonkeys, eh?

 

Sorry, Leena, you're treading on ground you know nothing about, so stop acting like you know anything.

[Guest Zarock]

When the hell did Samoa Joe get "Massive"? Vader's massive. Brock Lesnar's massive. Samoa Joe's chunky. If I saw Samoa Joe at a bar or something, I wouldn't think "Man, that guy sure does look tough, better not mess with him!", I'd think "Dude's got a weight problem, probably genes though." and move on.

Edited December 27, 2005 by Zarock

[benoit4hor 0]

10000 word garbage on pretend wrestling matches.

 

lol, coming from someone who has over a thousand posts in a two month period, on a message board dedicated to "pretend wrestling matches"

[Guest wildpegasus]

Well, for Joe, it's more-or-less the mentality of "hey, here's a guy who LOOKS legitimately tough, is having really good matches with everybody, and is one of the few X-Division workers that is getting a good push without being overexposed," not to mention the whole ***** match he had with Kobashi (which I need to see), and the 60-minute time limit draw last year with CM Punk that got a 5* review from Meltz.

 

He doesn't look legitimately tough. If you really think he looks tougher than most of the wrestlers on TV today, you're crazy. It's more that he's a fat slob like most of you losers... and he gets to beat up other guys, and go all "stiff" on them. Joe is the epitome of anti-WWE. And "unbiased" sources like Meltzer giving his work 5*, and ...., tougher than those that spend hours toning themselves. I'd rather get into a fight with somebody that tortures themselves to look like a Calvin Klein model than some big guy with a scowl on his fast that can run fast as hell.

 

And yes, I do think he looks tougher than most of the wrestlers on TV today, and for the very reason I just stated. Would you say Mick Foley looks tough? No, of course not. But people that tortured their bodies to look physically magnificent would be crippled after taking the HIAC bumps he did, and yet Foley got back up after BOTH of them. He's a tough bastard, and he's also a big guy, so that only further proves my point of "overall big = tough."

 

Yeah, he probably is the epitome of anti-WWE: strong, hard-working, can work with wrestlers of very different styles to put on varied matches, and is respected heavily by all who've been in the same company as him because of his work ethic, his in-ring talent, and his attitude backstage.

 

Meltzer's biased towards non-WWE workers? So I guess that's why he considers Austin, Flair, Benoit, and Hart to be some of the greatest workers alive, and will talk about how most indy workers are just spotmonkeys, eh?

 

Sorry, Leena, you're treading on ground you know nothing about, so stop acting like you know anything.

 

 

 

 

 

 

So you just have to be big to be tough, huh? Anyone's who gone through the mental and physical trauma of building their body up is obviously not tough. They're all wimps I guess. Hmm, I wonder why so many people quit training or don't train? Maybe it's because it's you know -- tough?

 

Now on to the Foley remark. Yes, he's tough there's no denying that but your remark about someone who has a built body not being able to survive what Foley did is off. Explain Kobashi (who is a guy who built up his body) taking bumps that Foley himself said he would not take, explain Benoit who takes everything stiff in his matches and is an underrated bumper, explain Lyger who's taken more than his share of punishment and is BUILT. Kawada built himself up considerably - Explain him.

 

 

Yeah, he probably is the epitome of anti-WWE: strong, hard-working, can work with wrestlers of very different styles to put on varied matches, and is respected heavily by all who've been in the same company as him because of his work ethic, his in-ring talent, and his attitude backstage.

 

Maybe I'm reading this wrong but you're saying that anti-WWE are all those descriptions?

 

C'mon. There's nobody strong in the WWE? Uh, all right.

 

There is nobody hard working in the WWE? The WWE has several of the hardest workers ever. Rey Mysterio, Eddie Guerrero when he was still living, Kurt Angle who works his BUTT off, Chris Benoit who is probably the hardest worker ever in the wrestling game, the Undertaker and Shawn Michaels who like him or not is still a very hard worker.

 

There is nobody respected in the WWE locker room?

 

 

And you used the word "toned" incorrectly.

[EricMM 0]

Fix your tags please!!

[Guest wildpegasus]

Fix your tags please!!

 

Can't seem to get them to work.

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

Yeah, the tags are tricky sometimes.

 

IMO, I think somebody who's just BIG and isn't that well-toned is more physically imposing than somebody who looks like they torture themselves to get toned. I don't think Samoa Joe would look nearly as big of a bad motherfucker if he lost the gut and the flabby mantits (which'll be hard to do, since pretty much every Samoan has 'em). Something about the look of just somebody who is physically large, but not well-toned, says to me "I don't need to look like a Greek God, I'll just beat your ass." Gives me an old-school wrestling vibe where it was more about being tough than it was looking good.

 

Also...Lesnar was massive? I'll agree. But Joe isn't that much smaller than Lesnar is/was, if you think about it. Isn't Brock only 6'4" or 6'5"? Joe can't be much shorter than that, and I'd say they're about the same weight.

[Guest MrBriggs]

I'm guessing the criteria is who's better when it comes to the full gamut of being a pro-wrestler. In-ring presence, mic-skills, charisma, brawling skills, high-flying, story-telling, psychology, carrying ability, etc. And maybe their match ratings and stuff like that.

 

In-ring presents-Angle

Mic skills-Angle

Charisma-Angle

Brawling-Even

High flying-Daniels

Story telling-Angle

Psychology-Angle

Carrying ability-Angle

 

In my eyes there isn't anyone that would get my "overall" vote over Angle.

 

 

By putting Daniels even with Angle in brawling, I'm going to just assume you missed the Angle/Shane streetfight from that one KotR

[Guest wildpegasus]

Yeah, the tags are tricky sometimes.

 

IMO, I think somebody who's just BIG and isn't that well-toned is more physically imposing than somebody who looks like they torture themselves to get toned. I don't think Samoa Joe would look nearly as big of a bad motherfucker if he lost the gut and the flabby mantits (which'll be hard to do, since pretty much every Samoan has 'em). Something about the look of just somebody who is physically large, but not well-toned, says to me "I don't need to look like a Greek God, I'll just beat your ass." Gives me an old-school wrestling vibe where it was more about being tough than it was looking good.

 

Also...Lesnar was massive? I'll agree. But Joe isn't that much smaller than Lesnar is/was, if you think about it. Isn't Brock only 6'4" or 6'5"? Joe can't be much shorter than that, and I'd say they're about the same weight.

 

Hashimoto had the tough vibe to him though a lot of that was due to his actions in the ring and his demeanor (not sure if that's the word I'm looking for). They made you a believer. A lot of of the kick but presence just comes down to whoever can make you a believer in the ring. Not all big,rotund guys look like they can kick your BUTT and not all big muscled guys look like they can kick your but.

 

One thing's for sure is that a lot of the indy stars don't look physicall imposing.