pochorenella 0 Report post Posted January 18, 2006 I must have watched that match 20 or 30 times before I lost the recording. That match is an extra on the Armageddon 2002 DVD. Just a terrific bout. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dark Age 0 Report post Posted January 18, 2006 The SS04 3-way is awful. I can't believe anyone would list that. Anyway, Edge's best work has been with Benoit, and their two TV matches in 2004 (pre SurSer and the Cage) are both really good, and two of the best of the year. The Raw match in 05 (the one after Mania) was REALLY good and maybe Edge's best ever (though I love Unforgiven with Eddie). I also enjoyed the 2004 non-title match, before SummerSlam, with Jericho, though I don't know if it holds up. His best Orton match, for me, was the Raw rematch from Vengeance. I don't really like Vengeance. And Slam with Eddie was good too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dam(o)nYankees Report post Posted January 18, 2006 The SS04 3-way is awful. I can't believe anyone would list that. Anyway, Edge's best work has been with Benoit, and their two TV matches in 2004 (pre SurSer and the Cage) are both really good, and two of the best of the year. The Raw match in 05 (the one after Mania) was REALLY good and maybe Edge's best ever (though I love Unforgiven with Eddie). I also enjoyed the 2004 non-title match, before SummerSlam, with Jericho, though I don't know if it holds up. His best Orton match, for me, was the Raw rematch from Vengeance. I don't really like Vengeance. And Slam with Eddie was good too. Summerslam with Eddie will always be marred by that finish. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlwaysPissedOff 0 Report post Posted January 18, 2006 Exactly how is it marred by the finish? Working over the arm/shoulder isn't going to stop someone from executing a football tackle unless they really don't want to injure it even more. Also, the 3-way from SummerSlam 04 was ass. Jericho had no right to be in that feud, especially after Edge and Batista had that really kick ass match on RAW. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted January 20, 2006 There's also Edge Vs. Test at SSeries 01, but that might be pushing it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted January 20, 2006 Edge had 3 of the best matches of his career when he was tag teaming with Rey Mysterio. The 2/3 falls match against Benoit/Angle, the triple threat at Survivor Series, and the WWE Tag Team final match at No Mercy (all from 2002). **cough**carry-jobs**cough** Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted January 20, 2006 The triple threat match wasn't that good, and no, the matches were not all carry jobs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted January 21, 2006 The triple threat match wasn't that good, and no, the matches were not all carry jobs. The triple threat was only not "that good" by comparison to the other matches the SD6 were having at the time, which puts it ahead of most other matches the company was putting on at the time. The other 2 matches were 30% Rey, 30% Angle, 30% Benoit, and 10% Edge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iggymcfly 0 Report post Posted January 21, 2006 The fatal four way was 45% Edge, 35% Angle, 10% Benoit, and 10% Guerrero, and it's the best TV match in the history of professional wrestling. Edge may not be good at carrying a shitty opponent, but if you put him in there with someone who knows what he's doing, he's an excellent wresltler. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dark Age 0 Report post Posted January 21, 2006 No it's not. It isn't even the best TV match that year. I can name at least 3 matches better than it. It's cool that Edge "sells the leg" and all, but as much as he may do the slow climb of the ropes and all that stuff, it's not lack the leg injury really stops him doing anything or makes him change his tactics much. Plus Benoit and Guerrero's involvement in the much is pretty much pointless, though to be fair, I haven't seen it in a while and I'm going from memory. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iggymcfly 0 Report post Posted January 21, 2006 If you say that the RVD/Eddie ladder match was better, I can't really argue with you because it was pretty close, but that's about all I can think of. I'd be really interested to see three TV matches from 2002 that were better than the fatal four way. There might be two or three matches in history that would be better depending on your point of view, but there's no way that were three better TV matches in 2002 alone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dark Age 0 Report post Posted January 21, 2006 Eh, I don't think the RVD/Eddie match holds up very well at all. I've got it on both their respective DVDs, though, so maybe a rewatch is in order. I think their KOTR qualifying match is a whole lot of good, mind you. As for the matches better than the 4-way, Benoit/Rey from SD is FANTASTIC, maybe the WWE MOTY, period (but don't quote me on that) and it's such a shame it's been forgotten as it's a highly superior match to the rest of SD6. I LOVE the BookDust/Vitamin C match at the end of the year. Such a great, effective, yet simple story, with Goldust as the weak link, then a great, feel good payoff to the entire storyline. I also prefer the 2/3 falls tag match and the first Benoit/Angle vs. Los Guerreros match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DuDe Report post Posted January 21, 2006 I'm not saying he has to be carried all the time to a great match, but I've yet to see him really carry anyone himself. That's funny, I vaguely remember Edge carrying a 56 old man to a damn good TLC match not a while ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Just John 0 Report post Posted January 21, 2006 I'm not saying he has to be carried all the time to a great match, but I've yet to see him really carry anyone himself. That's funny, I vaguely remember Edge carrying a 56 old man to a damn good TLC match not a while ago. Ok... 1. Carry job = One wrestler giving an exceptional performance in a match to make up for another wrestler's lackluster performance in order to make the match good. 2. The TLC wasn't that good, in my opinion. Better than it should have been, but not good. First of all, you have the inherently flawed concept of a singles TLC match--A match that relies on lots of high spots. With 6+ guys you have a rotating cycle of spot doers, while other guys can rest. In this match, you just had lots of resting, and only a couple worthwhile spots. The ending was very anticlimactic. Edge takes a big table bump, then still beats Flair up the ladder? Even with the interferrence, that's lame. 3. No one's really to credit for a "carry" in this match, as both men did their parts to make it watchable. Flair bled buckets, took a good table spot, and took one really sick chair shot that sticks out in my mind. Edge did his part too, but he certainly didn't have to make up for Flair. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DuDe Report post Posted January 21, 2006 2. The TLC wasn't that good, in my opinion. Better than it should have been, but not good. First of all, you have the inherently flawed concept of a singles TLC match--A match that relies on lots of high spots. With 6+ guys you have a rotating cycle of spot doers, while other guys can rest. In this match, you just had lots of resting, and only a couple worthwhile spots. The ending was very anticlimactic. Edge takes a big table bump, then still beats Flair up the ladder? Even with the interferrence, that's lame. Are you kidding me? Wait, let me reiterate that : it's Edge, versus a 56 years old dude that has never been in a TLC match in his entire career, and yet the match was still beyond watchable. 3. No one's really to credit for a "carry" in this match, as both men did their parts to make it watchable. Flair bled buckets, took a good table spot, and took one really sick chair shot that sticks out in my mind. Edge did his part too, but he certainly didn't have to make up for Flair. Right, so Edge makes a 20 foot splash onto Flair, then a superplex off a ladder, and then another 20 foot bump into a table, and you're saying that he "did his part too", because Flair had another grand fucking blade job and was nice enough to stay on the table when Edge made that splash. Well shit, maybe I'm wrong and it was in fact Flair the one who carried Edge to a good match, eh Edit : didn't mention that I'm in fact a big fan of Flair, but I'm not going to act all smarky and not give Edge the respect that he deserves. The TLC was the last match on the entire card that I figured would be watchable, and yet it was damn entertaining sans the ending. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Coffey Report post Posted January 21, 2006 I don't think a lot of people here even know what a carry-job is. They see someone that isn't notorious for having great matches in the ring with someone like Angle, Benoit, etc. and the match turns out good and they all instantly say "carry job." It takes (at least) two people to have a good match. It takes one to have a bad match. You can have a good worker carry a bad worker to a passable match...but you need a lot of "x" factors. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pochorenella 0 Report post Posted January 22, 2006 If you say that the RVD/Eddie ladder match was better, I can't really argue with you because it was pretty close, but that's about all I can think of. I'd be really interested to see three TV matches from 2002 that were better than the fatal four way. There might be two or three matches in history that would be better depending on your point of view, but there's no way that were three better TV matches in 2002 alone. Just MY OPINION, but I believe there's a couple of 2002 TV matches that are just a tad better than the Fatal Four-Way, even if I agree said match is absolutely fantastic, but not the best TV match of 2002 or best TV match ever. I'd say: - Edge vs Eddie Guerrero, No DQ match from SD! - Eddie Guerrero vs RVD, IC Title Ladder match from RAW - Edge/Rey vs Angle/Benoit, 2/3 falls WWE Tag Titles from SD! Still, I wouldn't mind interchanging any of them as all four matches are awesome, so we all win here. But I do think there have been better TV matches before. Austin/HBK vs Owen/Bulldog and Austin/HHH vs Benoit/Jericho come to mind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted January 23, 2006 The fatal four way was 45% Edge, 35% Angle, 10% Benoit, and 10% Guerrero, and it's the best TV match in the history of professional wrestling. You could make case for it possibly being the best TV match in WWE history, but calling it the best TV match in the history of wrestling is beyond stretching it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted January 23, 2006 The fatal four way was 45% Edge, 35% Angle, 10% Benoit, and 10% Guerrero, and it's the best TV match in the history of professional wrestling. You could make case for it possibly being the best TV match in WWE history, but calling it the best TV match in the history of wrestling is beyond stretching it. I just realized I own the DVD this match was available... **watches entire match** I disagree with the exact percentages of who contributed the most, but it was a pretty damn good showing by Edge. Damn, 2002 was a good year for Smackdown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChick 0 Report post Posted January 23, 2006 I'm so glad that people give that Fatal Four Way props, because it is just a great match. As for best TV match of the year? I'd say yes to that, but I think it was some stiff competition with that two out of three falls tag match match and that ladder match. 2002 was a great TV match year. Too bad the storylines were just garbage and stale. If, hypothetically, Edge were to have a DVD, I'd think they'd focus more on his singles career because, for one, Christian isn't around anymore and for two, there wouldn't have to be any WWF blurring on the matches. And while I love E&C, I wouldn't mind that too much. The DVD would obviously mention and give respect to Edge's early WWF career, but harping on it just reminds everyone he is a TLC guy instead of being a singles star. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted January 23, 2006 2002 was a great TV match year. Too bad the storylines were just garbage and stale. I think Smackdown was really good that year. This was, of course, before it got turned into the B-show. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
