New Bin Laden tape surfaces

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Purported bin Laden tape offers Americans terror or truce

Last Updated Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:20:36 EST

CBC News

 

An audiotape purported to be from Osama bin Laden has been aired on an Arabic satellite TV channel, nearly a week after a U.S.-sponsored air strike that may have killed several of the al-Qaeda leader's lieutenants in Pakistan.

 

Osama bin Laden (AP file Photo)

 

Apparently addressing the American people directly, a voice on the tape declares that new attacks on the United States are being prepared and "you will see them in the heart of your land as soon as the planning is complete."

 

But it also makes a vague reference to a possible truce with the United States.

 

It remains unclear whether the tape is genuine and, if so, when it was made. It has been uncertain whether bin Laden, who has not been heard from in more than a year, is still alive.

 

In the tape, broadcast by Qatar-based Al-Jazeera, the speaker refers to attacks in Europe, presumably the commuter-train bombings of 2004 in Madrid and last summer's transit bombings in London.

 

As translated from Arabic by CNN, the voice says: "I would also like to say that the war against America and its allies will not be confined to Iraq. Iraq has become a magnet for attracting and training talented fighters.

 

"Our mujahadeen [holy warriors] were able to overcome all security measures in European countries, and you saw their operation in major European capitals," the voice adds.

 

'Only a matter of time'

 

"As for similar operations taking place in America, it's only a matter of time. They are in the planning stages and you will see them in the heart of your land as soon as the planning is complete."

 

But it also says, "we do not mind offering you a truce that is fair and long term ... so we can build Iraq and Afghanistan ... There is no shame in this solution because it prevents wasting of billions of dollars ... to merchants of war," the Associated Press reported.

 

The conditions for such a truce were not made clear.

 

Last Friday's U.S. air strike, possibly involving missiles fired from remotely piloted aircraft, is thought to have been aimed at bin Laden's second-in-command, Ayman al-Zawahiri.

 

It levelled a residential compound, killing as many as 18 civilians, including women and children, and two men described as senior members of bin Laden's al-Qaeda organization. Al-Zawahiri is believed to have escaped.

 

On its website, Al-Jazeera posted extensive excerpts from the tape, including these:

 

"This message is about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and how to end those wars.

 

Wars 'definitely going our way'

 

"It was not my intention to talk to you about this, because those wars are definitely going our way.

 

"But what triggered my desire to talk to you is the continuous deliberate misinformation given by your President [George W.] Bush, when it comes to polls made in your home country which reveal that the majority of your people are willing to withdraw U.S. forces from Iraq.

 

Other excerpts apparently aimed at Americans:

 

# "If your desire for peace, stability and reconciliation was true, here we have given you the answer to your call."

 

# "I would like to tell you that everything is going to our advantage and the number of your dead is increasing, according to Pentagon figures."

 

# "The new operations of al-Qaeda has not happened not because we could not penetrate the security measures. It is being prepared and you'll see it in your homeland very soon."

 

# "We do not mind establishing a long-term truce between us and you."

[dh86 0]

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[SuperJerk 0]

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Would the sound of someone flying a jet into your house be enough to wake you up?

[Guest]

EDIT: I don't want to be right.

[Skywarp! 0]

The full text of Osama's message is much more interesting:

 

The following is the full text of a new audiotape from al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden. Parts of the tape were aired on Al-Jazeera television, which published the entire version on its Web site. The text was translated from the Arabic by The Associated Press.

 

Bin Laden appears to be addressing the American people:

 

My message to you is about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and how to end them. I did not intend to speak to you about this because this issue has already been decided. Only metal breaks metal, and our situation, thank God, is only getting better and better, while your situation is the opposite of that.

 

But I plan to speak about the repeated errors your President Bush has committed in comments on the results of your polls that show an overwhelming majority of you want the withdrawal of American troops from Iraq. But he (Bush) has opposed this wish and said that withdrawing troops sends the wrong message to opponents, that it is better to fight them (bin Laden's followers) on their land than their fighting us (Americans) on our land.

 

I can reply to these errors by saying that war in Iraq is raging with no let-up, and operations in Afghanistan are escalating in our favor, thank God, and Pentagon figures show the number of your dead and wounded is increasing not to mention the massive material losses, the destruction of the soldiers' morale there and the rise in cases of suicide among them. So you can imagine the state of psychological breakdown that afflicts a soldier as he gathers the remains of his colleagues after they stepped on land mines that tore them apart. After this situation the soldier is caught between two hard options. He either refuses to leave his military camp on patrols and is therefore dogged by ruthless punishments enacted by the Vietnam Butcher (U.S. army) or he gets destroyed by the mines. This puts him under psychological pressure, fear and humiliation while his nation is ignorant of that (what is going on). The soldier has no solution except to commit suicide. That is a strong message to you, written by his soul, blood and pain, to save what can be saved from this hell. The solution is in your hands if you care about them (the soldiers).

 

The news of our brother mujahideen (holy warriors) is different from what the Pentagon publishes. They (the news of mujahideen) and what the media report is the truth of what is happening on the ground. And what deepens the doubt over the White House's information is the fact that it targets the media reporting the truth from the ground. And it has appeared lately, supported by documents, that the butcher of freedom in the world (Bush) had decided to bomb the headquarters of the Al-Jazeera in Qatar after bombing its offices in Kabul and Baghdad.

 

On another issue, jihad (holy war) is ongoing, thank God, despite all the oppressive measures adopted by the U.S Army and its agents (which is) to a point where there is no difference between this criminality and Saddam's criminality, as it has reached the degree of raping women and taking them as hostages instead of their husbands.

 

As for torturing men, they have used burning chemical acids and drills on their joints. And when they give up on (interrogating) them, they sometimes use the drills on their heads until they die. Read, if you will, the reports of the horrors in Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo prisons.

 

And I say that, despite all the barbaric methods, they have not broken the fierceness of the resistance. The mujahideen, thank God, are increasing in number and strength — so much so that reports point to the ultimate failure and defeat of the unlucky quartet of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz. Declaring this defeat is just a matter of time, depending partly on how much the American people know of the size of this tragedy. The sensible people realize that Bush does not have a plan to make his alleged victory in Iraq come true.

 

And if you compare the small number of dead on the day that Bush announced the end of major operations in that fake, ridiculous show aboard the aircraft carrier with the tenfold number of dead and wounded who were killed in the smaller operations, you would know the truth of what I say. This is that Bush and his administration do not have the will or the ability to get out of Iraq for their own private, suspect reasons.

 

And so to return to the issue, I say that results of polls please those who are sensible, and Bush's opposition to them is a mistake. The reality shows that the war against America and its allies has not been limited to Iraq as he (Bush) claims. Iraq has become a point of attraction and restorer of (our) energies. At the same time, the mujahideen (holy warriors), with God's grace, have managed repeatedly to penetrate all security measures adopted by the unjust allied countries. The proof of that is the explosions you have seen in the capitals of the European nations who are in this aggressive coalition. The delay in similar operations happening in America has not been because of failure to break through your security measures. The operations are under preparation and you will see them in your homes the minute they are through (with preparations), with God's permission.

 

Based on what has been said, this shows the errors of Bush's statement — the one that slipped from him — which is at the heart of polls calling for withdrawing the troops. It is better that we (Americans) don't fight Muslims on their lands and that they don't fight us on ours.

 

We don't mind offering you a long-term truce on fair conditions that we adhere to. We are a nation that God has forbidden to lie and cheat. So both sides can enjoy security and stability under this truce so we can build Iraq and Afghanistan, which have been destroyed in this war. There is no shame in this solution, which prevents the wasting of billions of dollars that have gone to those with influence and merchants of war in America who have supported Bush's election campaign with billions of dollars — which lets us understand the insistence by Bush and his gang to carry on with war.

 

If you (Americans) are sincere in your desire for peace and security, we have answered you. And if Bush decides to carry on with his lies and oppression, then it would be useful for you to read the book "Rogue State," which states in its introduction: "If I were president, I would stop the attacks on the United States: First I would give an apology to all the widows and orphans and those who were tortured. Then I would announce that American interference in the nations of the world has ended once and for all."

 

Finally, I say that war will go either in our favor or yours. If it is the former, it means your loss and your shame forever, and it is headed in this course. If it is the latter, read history! We are people who do not stand for injustice and we will seek revenge all our lives. The nights and days will not pass without us taking vengeance like on Sept. 11, God permitting. Your minds will be troubled and your lives embittered. As for us, we have nothing to lose. A swimmer in the ocean does not fear the rain. You have occupied our lands, offended our honor and dignity and let out our blood and stolen our money and destroyed our houses and played with our security and we will give you the same treatment.

 

You have tried to prevent us from leading a dignified life, but you will not be able to prevent us from a dignified death. Failing to carry out jihad, which is called for in our religion, is a sin. The best death to us is under the shadows of swords. Don't let your strength and modern arms fool you. They win a few battles but lose the war. Patience and steadfastness are much better. We were patient in fighting the Soviet Union with simple weapons for 10 years and we bled their economy and now they are nothing.

 

In that there is a lesson for you.

 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060119/ap_on_...in_laden_text_2

[Guest InuYasha]

The only truce bin Laden is going to get is a bullet through his head.

 

Does anyone else wonder why the US hasn't just gone and used a missile or some form of EMI to knock Al-Jazeera off the air? It would be hard for those fucks to scream "Jihad!" when there's no channel willing to show their twisted shit.

[Art Sandusky 0]

That'd be pretty stupid, since their releases of al-Queda material are great assistants in intelligence gathering. You can tell when it was made, what kind of health Osama's in, all kinds of stuff. Not to mention how fucked up it would be to blow away the largest news agency in the Middle East.

 

The transcript pretty much read like the speeches we hear from our leaders, 'cept talking about us instead. CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, you name 'em, they show speeches by our leaders saying we're going to find and kill terrorists and that they're all evil and this and that. Learn some perspective before you suggest dumb shit like taking out Al-Jazeera. Then we'd have a LOT more people pissed at us than we already do.

[Danville_Wrestling 0]

Yea, taking out Al-Jazeera would be an awful idea for the reasons pointed out above.

 

Also, Osama isn't getting a truce although it wouldn't surprise me if some far, far, far left loony says we should sign the truce and have them leave us alone. That would be akin to making a Munich Pact-like agreement that would just be downright silly.

[The Czech Republic 0]

It'll be Ted Kennedy following in his dad's footsteps.

[snuffbox 0]

Teddy cant even follow his own footsteps...literally.

[Art Sandusky 0]

Well, following your own footsteps means walking backward and forward in a two-step rut.

[2GOLD 0]

Tell Teddy you'll give him free Jack Daniels for life, he'll find a way to walk in his own footsteps.

 

While I don't think blowing up Al-Jeezra is ever a smart idea, it seems like we let them get away with murder all the time. I've heard reports they may know exact locations of hostages but don't tell because they don't feel like it and it might hurt their story.

 

Sadly, they fall under "lesser of two evils" but not by much.

[Art Sandusky 0]

And our news networks can tell you where our leaders and various other public figures are at all times with great accuracy, which would aid them (terrorists) if they were so inclined. Again, perspective. Yes, they're the bad guys because they've done a LOT of bad shit, but as far as their respective medias and methods of message spreading go, they're extremely similar. Welcome to wartime!

[2GOLD 0]

And our news networks can tell you where our leaders and various other public figures are at all times with great accuracy, which would aid them (terrorists) if they were so inclined. Again, perspective. Yes, they're the bad guys because they've done a LOT of bad shit, but as far as their respective medias and methods of message spreading go, they're extremely similar. Welcome to wartime!

 

Did I mention I hate the media period? It's like a giant ball of slime broke apart and formed every news organization in the world. Just some of them are bigger balls of slime.

 

I remember when they used to serve a purpose and didn't sell out their souls for a ratings point. I think I must have either been young and naive or high on nyquil.

[Prime Time Andrew Doyle 0]

And our news networks can tell you where our leaders and various other public figures are at all times with great accuracy, which would aid them (terrorists) if they were so inclined. Again, perspective. Yes, they're the bad guys because they've done a LOT of bad shit, but as far as their respective medias and methods of message spreading go, they're extremely similar. Welcome to wartime!

 

You are kidding right?

 

In this context, comparing politicians and public figures to members and leaders of terrorist organisations is fucking absurd.

[Dobbs 3K 0]

We need to find this guy, and he needs a nice old-fashioned public execution.

[2GOLD 0]

We need to find this guy, and he needs a nice old-fashioned public execution.

 

No, that would be bad. Very bad. If we find him, we need to imprison him and make sure he doesn't die for a very long time. It's better to leave him alive and in a place he'll never escape than kill him and prove his craziness about us.

[Vampiro69 0]

If we capture him we should put him on PPV against a very hungry lion. Smell the buy rates!

 

Actually I agree with not blowing up Al Jezzera. Our rep is bad enough in the area and that would not help, plus they are our source for gathering new info about Al-Quida (sp?).

 

I remember when many of my democrat friends predicted that Bush would announce that Bin Laden was captured about 2 weeks before the election, I told them to quit gathering their info from Oliver Stone. Too bad the Pakistan earthquake didn't kill him. The headlines would have been great "US Fails to get Bin Laden, Mother Nature Finishes the Job"

[BruiserKC 0]

We need to find this guy, and he needs a nice old-fashioned public execution.

 

No, that would be bad. Very bad. If we find him, we need to imprison him and make sure he doesn't die for a very long time. It's better to leave him alive and in a place he'll never escape than kill him and prove his craziness about us.

 

I don't want my tax dollars going to keep this fucker alive. If I had anything to say about it...when we captured him I'd put him in a room with no windows. One pistol with one bullet, tell him to blow his own brains out and this way he can say he took himself out by his own hand.

[EricMM 0]

Would he even be given a trial?

 

It would have to be the quickest trial ever...

 

I am against the death penalty, but he's pretty clearly guilty.

 

I would make him pay for his own prison time anyways.

[Prime Time Andrew Doyle 0]

Although the fucker deserves nothing shot of a painful death, keeping him alive would be the ultimate humiliation for him and his followers. Let him know that his life would be in the hands of the very people he hates. Assault him daily and give him the bare minnimum of food and water neccesary to survive. Hell, let the families of victims from all of his organisations attacks carry out the beatings.

[Danville_Wrestling 0]

If we find him who says that we have to say that we actually found him? We could just kill him and still say that he's "on the run" or whatever. This way you don't have the international community up in arms over the "inhumane treatment" of a man who doesn't care about humanity in the first place. It'd be a massive cover-up, but in this instance it'd be totally warranted.

[Art Sandusky 0]

And our news networks can tell you where our leaders and various other public figures are at all times with great accuracy, which would aid them (terrorists) if they were so inclined. Again, perspective. Yes, they're the bad guys because they've done a LOT of bad shit, but as far as their respective medias and methods of message spreading go, they're extremely similar. Welcome to wartime!

 

You are kidding right?

 

In this context, comparing politicians and public figures to members and leaders of terrorist organisations is fucking absurd.

No, I'm not kidding. It's perfectly sound, and you'd react the same way if you were a terrorist and I made the same comparison. "You're comparing our leaders to those murderers?"

 

I remember when many of my democrat friends predicted that Bush would announce that Bin Laden was captured about 2 weeks before the election, I told them to quit gathering their info from Oliver Stone.

We instead got a video a week before the election that was delightfully spun into "voting against the President means you agree with the terrorists."

[dh86 0]

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Would the sound of someone flying a jet into your house be enough to wake you up?

 

sure it would...but it wouldnt be as a result from a guy that has been dead for 5 years

[dh86 0]

Would he even be given a trial?

 

It would have to be the quickest trial ever...

 

I am against the death penalty, but he's pretty clearly guilty.

 

I would make him pay for his own prison time anyways.

 

in the United States court you would need proof....if Bin Laden was alive and had a fair trial here..he would be acquitted

[gWIL 0]

We need to find this guy, and he needs a nice old-fashioned public execution.

 

No, that would be bad. Very bad. If we find him, we need to imprison him and make sure he doesn't die for a very long time. It's better to leave him alive and in a place he'll never escape than kill him and prove his craziness about us.

 

I don't want my tax dollars going to keep this fucker alive. If I had anything to say about it...when we captured him I'd put him in a room with no windows. One pistol with one bullet, tell him to blow his own brains out and this way he can say he took himself out by his own hand.

 

In the US Life w/o parole is cheaper than the death penalty. Look it up.

[The Czech Republic 0]

Would he even be given a trial?

 

It would have to be the quickest trial ever...

 

I am against the death penalty, but he's pretty clearly guilty.

 

I would make him pay for his own prison time anyways.

 

in the United States court you would need proof....if Bin Laden was alive and had a fair trial here..he would be acquitted

Are you serious? Who would possibly acquit him?

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

Czech, I think it's best to ignore him.

[dh86 0]

Would he even be given a trial?

 

It would have to be the quickest trial ever...

 

I am against the death penalty, but he's pretty clearly guilty.

 

I would make him pay for his own prison time anyways.

 

in the United States court you would need proof....if Bin Laden was alive and had a fair trial here..he would be acquitted

Are you serious? Who would possibly acquit him?

 

of course they WOULDNT acquit him because it wouldnt be a fair trial...but im just saying if it was 100% fair...there isnt proof that he was behind it at all...whats the proof?..a grainy video of him with botched translation?....seriously...but hes dead so whatever....I would like to hear a reason beside "because the President said so" or "the 9/11 Commission said so" or "it was on TV

[The Czech Republic 0]

Do you know something we don't about the status of Bin Laden?