OAO RAW Thread - Jan/23rd/06

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

RVD's chances of winning the Rumble are so small as to make him a huge longshot. And Shawn isn't winning. The plan hasn't changed so far, and it's set to be Shawn vs. Vince at WM. Best bet for Shawn at the Rumble is Vince screws him out of the win to set up their match.

[Hawk 34 0]

RVD's chances of winning the Rumble are so small as to make him a huge longshot. And Shawn isn't winning. The plan hasn't changed so far, and it's set to be Shawn vs. Vince at WM. Best bet for Shawn at the Rumble is Vince screws him out of the win to set up their match.

 

Or better yet, Shawn's fury finally explodes and during an "unintentional" moment... He throws himself at Vince.

 

They could do a spot where someone is eliminated and is injured or something and Vince comes out to check on the injured wrestler in one of those oh so popular "worked shoots". Shawn, whom has been in for awhile only sees Vince stand ringside and without thinking, just flies over the ropes to attack him.

 

Much better then Vince pulling Shawn out or something. It shows Vince has gotten into Shawn's mind.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

RVD's chances of winning the Rumble are so small as to make him a huge longshot. And Shawn isn't winning. The plan hasn't changed so far, and it's set to be Shawn vs. Vince at WM. Best bet for Shawn at the Rumble is Vince screws him out of the win to set up their match.

 

Or better yet, Shawn's fury finally explodes and during an "unintentional" moment... He throws himself at vince.

 

They could do a spot where someone is eliminated and is injured or something and Vince comes out to check on the injured wrestler in one of those oh so popular "worked shoots". Shawn,whom has been in for awhile only sees Vince stand ringside and without thinking, just flies over the ropes to attack him.

 

Much better then Vince pulling Shawn out or something. It shows Vince has gotten into Shawn's mind.

For Vince screwing Shawn out of a Rumble win to get the most heat, Shawn has to be close to winning it and Vince has to directly cost Shawn the win.

[naiwf 0]

RVD's chances of winning the Rumble are so small as to make him a huge longshot. And Shawn isn't winning. The plan hasn't changed so far, and it's set to be Shawn vs. Vince at WM. Best bet for Shawn at the Rumble is Vince screws him out of the win to set up their match.

 

Or better yet, Shawn's fury finally explodes and during an "unintentional" moment... He throws himself at Vince.

 

They could do a spot where someone is eliminated and is injured or something and Vince comes out to check on the injured wrestler in one of those oh so popular "worked shoots". Shawn, whom has been in for awhile only sees Vince stand ringside and without thinking, just flies over the ropes to attack him.

 

Much better then Vince pulling Shawn out or something. It shows Vince has gotten into Shawn's mind.

 

I think they'll do a skin the cat, one foot touches the floor, but the other didn't type deal, only this time Vince will say that both of HBK's feet hit and have him officially eliminated just because he can.

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

Why not do: Shelton winning tonight by holding the tights, rematch at the Rumble, Vince comes down, screws HBK out of the win, setting up Vince/Shawn at WM?

 

Shelton gets a "rub" by beating HBK twice, HBK saves face because they weren't clean, and they still build toward Vince/HBK at WM. Instead, Shelton loses by the face cheating after the announcers going on all match about Shelton being undefeated since his momma showed up. The only one coming out looking good after tonight's match is HBK.

 

But I guess I just answered my own question.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Shawn gets screwed a lot more if he loses a chance to main event WM.

[cabbageboy 0]

Just wondering, but why would RVD be such a longshot? I shall review:

 

1. He'll be the most over guy in the match.

2. He'll be the "returning star" who gets that Rumble type push.

3. Aside from a minor little tussle with Carlito he has no real enemy in it at the moment.

 

That's the key. Guys who win the Rumble usually are either obvious winners or guys coming in with either no one really hating them (Yokozuna in 93 for instance, even Benoit in 2004 didn't really have a heated feud coming in) or perhaps EVERYONE hating them (Flair in 92, Austin in 98, Rock in 2000).

 

It's rare that a guy wins the Rumble when he's got that one enemy out to fuck him over. Shawn right now has Vince, HHH has the Big Show. On SD UT will have Orton out to toss him, and Orton has guys like Benoit, Booker, or even Orlando Jordan who might toss him.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Just wondering, but why would RVD be such a longshot?

They don't see him at that level and he's getting put against Carlito post-Rumble. I think it'd be nice for RVD to win, but it isn't happening.

[Guest InuYasha]

I'd say the only reason Vince is doing that crap with HBK is to try to get some heat from the controversy over the aformentioned show, "The Book of Daniel."

[naiwf 0]

Just wondering, but why would RVD be such a longshot? I shall review:

 

1. He'll be the most over guy in the match.

2. He'll be the "returning star" who gets that Rumble type push.

3. Aside from a minor little tussle with Carlito he has no real enemy in it at the moment.

 

That's the key. Guys who win the Rumble usually are either obvious winners or guys coming in with either no one really hating them (Yokozuna in 93 for instance, even Benoit in 2004 didn't really have a heated feud coming in) or perhaps EVERYONE hating them (Flair in 92, Austin in 98, Rock in 2000).

 

It's rare that a guy wins the Rumble when he's got that one enemy out to fuck him over. Shawn right now has Vince, HHH has the Big Show. On SD UT will have Orton out to toss him, and Orton has guys like Benoit, Booker, or even Orlando Jordan who might toss him.

 

He's from ECW. He can't work. He nearly crushed HHH's voicebox. We didn't want him to get over. [/WWE "logic"]

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

I see your point, but I'm just trying to think of a way to do it w/out screwing Shelton over like tonight.

[goldengreek 0]

If they arent gonna give rvd a tirle shot at mania, can they at least give us rvd vs. shelton? That would be a classic!!!!!!!!!!

[Hawk 34 0]

If they arent gonna give rvd a tirle shot at mania, can they at least give us rvd vs. shelton? That would be a classic!!!!!!!!!!

 

No.

 

They could very easily be in MITBII, though. You can get your high-spot fests there.

[cabbageboy 0]

I agree. If RVD isn't near the main event (and in all honesty, it might be a bit soon after his return) then him, Shelton, and some others in another MITB would be a great idea.

 

Besides, shit that EC incident with RVD and HHH was at Survivor Series 2002. How long does the guy have to be jobbed out over it? The guy has been hurt for a year.

 

Let's face it. What if HHH gets the WM shot and wins the title. So what? What can you do with it? It's just back to him shooting on everyone and holding others down, and frankly I don't see a remotely interesting feud with him holding the title at this point.

 

I'd almost just do Cena/HHH anyway at WM with no title on the line.

 

HTQ, I realize that RVD is going against Carlito on some house shows but is that really a biggie? Let's face it, this Carlito thing just needs to be a quick TV assbeating to get RVD back in the groove. It's not anything that has legs enough to last till WM.

 

The reason HHH winning makes no sense to me is that it looks like Edge is retaining at the Rumble. Another 3 way would suck, so let's dismiss that idea. And Edge/HHH, a heel vs. heel matchup at WM for the title? What a shitty idea. And HHH isn't really in a position to turn face. Hell, if anything he and Edge are almost too alike in their trash talking burial jobs on their opponents.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Besides, shit that EC incident with RVD and HHH was at Survivor Series 2002. How long does the guy have to be jobbed out over it? The guy has been hurt for a year.

 

By now, any real heat against Rob for that has gone. But it's still remembered, and is no doubt used as a reason to not push Rob.

 

Let's face it. What if HHH gets the WM shot and wins the title. So what? What can you do with it? It's just back to him shooting on everyone and holding others down, and frankly I don't see a remotely interesting feud with him holding the title at this point.

 

Neither does anyone else. But it's going to happen again a bunch of times anyway.

 

I'd almost just do Cena/HHH anyway at WM with no title on the line.

 

I think at least one of those two will be the title match, and it will most likely be HHH.

 

HTQ, I realize that RVD is going against Carlito on some house shows but is that really a biggie? Let's face it, this Carlito thing just needs to be a quick TV assbeating to get RVD back in the groove. It's not anything that has legs enough to last till WM.

 

WWE are high on Carlito. Not enough to push him hard, but enough that he was one of the last two in the EC and they don't feed him to anyone not already a top guy. RVD isn't 'assbeating' Carlito, and they'll be together a while.

 

The reason HHH winning makes no sense to me is that it looks like Edge is retaining at the Rumble. Another 3 way would suck, so let's dismiss that idea. And Edge/HHH, a heel vs. heel matchup at WM for the title? What a shitty idea. And HHH isn't really in a position to turn face. Hell, if anything he and Edge are almost too alike in their trash talking burial jobs on their opponents.

 

It doesn't matter if it makes no sense to you, me or anyone else. At this point, it's more likley to happen because it doesn't make sense.

[Guest tony manero]

RVD is wrestling Carito at WrestleMania, either in a one on one contest or in another MITB match.

 

So, yeah, RVD isn't winning the Rumble, HHH is.

 

Meltzer says HHH or Orton is winning it. Just the thought makes me wanna gag, but hey, it's WWE in the year 2006, so nothing surprises me anymore.

[Guest tony manero]

From PWInsider:

 

"In a new interview with WWE.com, RVD confirms that he will have his sights set on vengeance against Carlito upon returning to WWE. He also confirmed that his style will not be toned down and, if given the chance to cut promos, he'll unleash a side of himself that was kept dormant for years."

 

He's feuding with Carlito, folks.

 

HHH is winning the Rumble for the 2nd time, making it the WORST Rumble EVER.

[ryankeast 0]

Ok i've seen pictures of this Spirit Squad gimmick on the WWE website - and wondered who all 5 of these guys are - and if they are any good?

[Wrestlefreak 0]

Most of them are from OVW and one guy was a tough enough loser.

[Aero 0]

HHH is winning the Rumble for the 2nd time, making it the WORST Rumble EVER.

 

Yeah, wait until you see the match first. Even if HHH does win, they can't screw up this Rumble enough to make it any worse than 1999 or 1995.

[Open the Muggy Gate 0]

The Spirit Squad fucking rocks. The members are: Ken Doane, Nick Nemeth, Nick Mitchell, Mike Mondo, and Johnny Jeter.

 

Time out... THEY PUT JETER IN THERE?! For fucks sake...

[cabbageboy 0]

They can't be retarded enough to have Carlito get ANY sort of heat on RVD. This is a no brainer feud if there ever was one, just needs to be a quick beatdown type deal. It isn't even notable enough to be a 1 on 1 WM match, just a MITB type thing and maybe a TV match where RVD kicks his ass.

 

Even if RVD doesn't win the Rumble, doesn't he kinda have to finish in the last 4 or so? Hell they even had Mr. Perfect finish 3rd in 2002 and he really didn't have much heat at that point.

[naiwf 0]

Recent no brainer feuds gone wrong in the WWE

 

Orton/Taker both times

Eddie/JBL

Christian/Cena

 

That's just off the top of my head. I'm certain they will fuck up RVD/Carlito by giving the ROLLUP OF DEATH~ a couple of victories.

[The Amazing Rando 0]

Who do they have for MITB this year?

 

RVD, Carlito, Shelton....maybe have some SD guys in it as well with Orton, Benoit, and Rey??

 

Hell, in a sense doing it in a Raw/SD type manner can create feuds for after WM, depending on who wins or who costs who a loss. Let's say instead of a "winner gets the shot", they have it almost as a "Capture The Flag" team sport where the brand of the wrestler that gets it has it go to their brand, and then the actual GUY who grabbed it can kind of sit out until Backlash, while the other two on his team fight for a chance to win it. So...let's say RVD gets it. Carlito and Shelton have a match, Shelton wins, and then Shelton and RVD can have a match. If they want to continue the RVD/Carlito stupidity, they can have Carlito cost RVD the MITB shot (and this would be a good way to start a push to Shelton in the main event).

 

On the Smackdown side, they could have Orton get it, have an Benoit/Rey match, and just go from there, as (honestly) any one of those three could potentially get the title shot based on STATUS (though one of them might not be who the smarks want to have it).

 

There would not be a direct pay-off at WM, sure, but the fans could get their spotfest live and know that there could be some good television to watch and see how the three guys involved on the winning side interact for a while.

[Guest Dam(o)nYankees]

RVD is wrestling Carito at WrestleMania, either in a one on one contest or in another MITB match.

 

So, yeah, RVD isn't winning the Rumble, HHH is.

 

Meltzer says HHH or Orton is winning it. Just the thought makes me wanna gag, but hey, it's WWE in the year 2006, so nothing surprises me anymore.

HHH you can almost understand. Yeah, he's been doing nothing for a while and he had zero heat last night, but its still HHH and you can be fairly sure he won't be heatless for Mania.

 

Orton, on the otherhand, is no such guarantee. No one cares now, and if they continue shoving him down our throats, I can see a major backlash on the biggest show of the year.

[Enigma 0]

That would be funny if Flair won the Rumble.