bob_barron 0 Report post Posted February 12, 2006 It's still stupid, especially the DQ finish. It's Xavier- job him. Sounds like ROH's first bad show since NOTG 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawk 34 0 Report post Posted February 12, 2006 It's still stupid, especially the DQ finish. It's Xavier- job him. Sounds like ROH's first bad show since NOTG 2 Considering that's a stretch of 17 shows, that's a good run. At least ROH has an excuse with the mass loss of talent for tonight's show. It's likely good that the first bad show since NOTG2 occured before a incredible stretch of major shows 2/25-4YA 3/11-CWZ/ROH double header @ ECW arena 3/25-KENTA and Marufuji Vs Joe/Dragon 3/30, 3/31 and 4/1-WrestleMania weekend 4/22-100th show. In all honestly, Gabe did a good job with the circumstances of the night. It's the hypejob he gave the show that will taint the show. The hype could have been toned down a notch and it would have a better reception. When you hype something so hard, that the return of one of the biggest stars of your promotion's history makes a one night only return, is a disapointment, then you over-hyped it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beast 0 Report post Posted February 12, 2006 CM Punk and Xavier returning for at least one show does not make this a night to remember for most wrestling fans. If I was going and I heard Shelley, Homicide, Lethal, and Ki were not going to be there, I'd still be pumped because I'd know there was something super special planned. Having CM Punk come back temporarily after not that long of an absence and having not even appeared on WWE TV yet is not that big of a deal, and I don't remember Xavier getting that big of a response whenever I went to any live shows. Even with the three TNA cancellations, I don't see how the show would have been much better atmosphere wise. The fans were promised much more. It was a surprise sure, but not one of the most memorable nights of the year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HollywoodSpikeJenkins 0 Report post Posted February 12, 2006 So how was Adam Pearce/Pelle Primeau and Mitch Franklin, Colt Cabana/Grim Reefer, and Ricky Reyers/Kid Mikaze going to make people stay for the whole show? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawk 34 0 Report post Posted February 12, 2006 So how was Adam Pearce/Pelle Primeau and Mitch Franklin, Colt Cabana/Grim Reefer, and Ricky Reyers/Kid Mikaze going to make people stay for the whole show? CM Punk, did show up after the first match. The idea was, "stick around because Punk will be doing something later tonight". Besides, if you braved the atrocious weather just to leave in less then 30 minutes that doesn't make much sense anyways. In all my ROH shows I have been to, I don't think I ever saw anyone leave after the first 3 matches. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eclipse 0 Report post Posted February 12, 2006 WOW...CM Punk was the "INDUSTRY CHANGING" surprise? I would have left the event COMPLETELY gypped of my money.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BUTT 0 Report post Posted February 12, 2006 Is Adam Pearce any good? I've heard about him for years, as I think Terry Taylor wanted to bring him into WCW in 2000, but I've never really heard any opinions of his work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kardo 0 Report post Posted February 12, 2006 Pearce is terrible, just terrible. He gets heat easily and comes across as a total heel. But he's boring in the ring. He's Jimmy Rave without the moves basically. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawk 34 0 Report post Posted February 12, 2006 Is Adam Pearce any good? I've heard about him for years, as I think Terry Taylor wanted to bring him into WCW in 2000, but I've never really heard any opinions of his work. He is an great heel, and can really play to the crowd. I haven't seen enough of his work to really properly say how good he is. He is a big guy for an ROH talent (I'd say 6'3 with some bulk). He is a good brawler as well. The confusing aspect of using Pearce is, two weeks ago, he was pro-ROH and anti-CZW and played Cornette's savior. Tonight, he turned on ROH's golden boy and teamed with Prince Nana, a thorn in ROH management's side. Awkward booking pattern likely caused by Shelley's absence. He was basically the best heel on the card to use with Rave. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GoJoe Report post Posted February 12, 2006 I would have gone with Punk/Cabana vs. Danielson/Rave. Pearce didn't deserve to be anywhere near the main event, he's a good undercard heel at this point but nothing more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DangerousDamon 0 Report post Posted February 12, 2006 Is Adam Pearce any good? I've heard about him for years, as I think Terry Taylor wanted to bring him into WCW in 2000, but I've never really heard any opinions of his work. He is an great heel, and can really play to the crowd. I haven't seen enough of his work to really properly say how good he is. He is a big guy for an ROH talent (I'd say 6'3 with some bulk). He is a good brawler as well. The confusing aspect of using Pearce is, two weeks ago, he was pro-ROH and anti-CZW and played Cornette's savior. Tonight, he turned on ROH's golden boy and teamed with Prince Nana, a thorn in ROH management's side. Awkward booking pattern likely caused by Shelley's absence. He was basically the best heel on the card to use with Rave. I think that's because Pearce is an opportunistic heel who will do anything to keep his spot on the roster. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keith6601 0 Report post Posted February 12, 2006 Punk should have come out, annouced "I'm the surprise"; then led everyone out the door getting refunds chanting "Gabe Got Punk'd" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cowboy Battlenuts 0 Report post Posted February 12, 2006 ^Hehe I'm sorry, but as a casual follower of ROH, this is just retarded. My interest was peaked, I was expecting something not as big as the hype but at least something that would justify that kind of hyperbole, but CM Punk? Unless he had genetically attached two more arms to his body there's no way he could of done anything to live up to that kind of selling. Just stupid. Forget the weather, if it was a sunny 80 in the tristate area, would there of been anything even remotely close to justifying that kind of hype? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawk 34 0 Report post Posted February 12, 2006 While the surprise was a disapointment, you have to give Gabe credit because he managed to salvage the night despite losing 3/4 of his usual roster, not to mention 3 of his stars just hours before the show started. By many accounts, the fans still enjoyed the show to an extent, although a handful admited they would have taken the refund knowing that was the card. ROH always falls back on it's reliable consistancy to deliver good-great matches and that's what saved them from a really disapointed crowd. I think the majority of the fans realize the short-comings Gabe had to work with and that will give him a pass for right now. A bad show is a bad show, it's rare for ROH to disapoint its fans but a bad show sometimes doesn't hurt because the momentum was going strong before last night. ROH heads into a major stretch of shows and it's perhaps best for them to shake off a bad show before going into it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted February 12, 2006 This reminds me of when they had a mystery opponent for AJ, and everyone was like: Well it's Petey Williams. And then it was... Petey Williams. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawk 34 0 Report post Posted February 12, 2006 This reminds me of when they had a mystery opponent for AJ, and everyone was like: Well it's Petey Williams. And then it was... Petey Williams. It's not like WWE and TNA are great at delivering on "mystery" men in wrestling. In fact, it's a requirement in pro wrestling that all mystery men fail to surprise you in a positive way, be a idiotic mystery man or be the guy everyone predicted right away. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted February 12, 2006 Just because WWE and TNA's mystery opponents suck, doesn't mean that ROH gets a free pass or anything. I'm a huge ROH fan but if there's one thing that promotion can't do- it's mystery opponents and surprises. The last cool ROH surprise was when Nana brought Jimmy Rave back. And at the time, that kinda sucked too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HollywoodSpikeJenkins 0 Report post Posted February 12, 2006 It sucked because when Rave did his whole online "blame the fans for getting him fired and how he can't support his family" thing, we all knew he was coming back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustJoe2k5 0 Report post Posted February 12, 2006 Hate to rub it in, but I really like when I'm right about stuff. If the "surprise" had to be cancelled due to the weather, the booker should've told the fans and offered a special matchup like Bryan Danielson vs. C.M. Punk in an Iron-Man match. They needed something that would make the fans atleast feel satisfied with risking their well-being in a blizzard to attend the show. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted February 12, 2006 *Jumps up and chants "This is Awesome" in regards to Hawks spin-doctoring for ROH.* This has to be a board record in the field of apologism. WELL DONE, Lad. Never in my 5 years here have I seen such effort and determination to find that silver-lining and come up with some top-notch excuses for what is an across-the-board disappointment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted February 12, 2006 Wow, who knew I was right that the Briscoes showing up at 2/25 was better then the surprise? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustJoe2k5 0 Report post Posted February 12, 2006 Come to think of it, even my local weather station that gets the weather wrong 95% of the time was calling the blizzard in the northeast for the past week. The weather is not an excuse, Ring of Honor should have had a little bit of foresight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawk 34 0 Report post Posted February 12, 2006 *Jumps up and chants "This is Awesome" in regards to Hawks spin-doctoring for ROH.* This has to be a board record in the field of apologism. WELL DONE, Lad. Never in my 5 years here have I seen such effort and determination to find that silver-lining and come up with some top-notch excuses for what is an across-the-board disappointment. While you are sticking your nose up, look closely to note that I did say Gabe failed to measure up to the hype. The show was a disapointment due to the hype but let's be fair, they lost 3/4 of the roster. They did a perfectly solid job of saving the show. I did note that the show was a diaster for ROH for all purposes, the failure to live up to the hype, the lost of talent and for disapointing a very vocal and loyal fanbase. I acknowledged that ROH needed to have a bad show heading into a very important stretch for them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USC Wuz Robbed! 0 Report post Posted February 12, 2006 They won't die for having a bad show but RoH doesn't "need" a bad show heading into any imagined stretch of "good" shows. If anything, the more good shows... the better! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted February 12, 2006 *Jumps up and chants "This is Awesome" in regards to Hawks spin-doctoring for ROH.* This has to be a board record in the field of apologism. WELL DONE, Lad. Never in my 5 years here have I seen such effort and determination to find that silver-lining and come up with some top-notch excuses for what is an across-the-board disappointment. While you are sticking your nose up, look closely to note that I did say Gabe failed to measure up to the hype. The show was a disapointment due to the hype but let's be fair, they lost 3/4 of the roster. They did a perfectly solid job of saving the show. I did note that the show was a diaster for ROH for all purposes, the failure to live up to the hype, the lost of talent and for disapointing a very vocal and loyal fanbase. I acknowledged that ROH needed to have a bad show heading into a very important stretch for them. And in between all this was some fabulous spin-doctoring, you should be proud of yourself and ROH should be proud to have such a dedicated fan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawk 34 0 Report post Posted February 13, 2006 -It should be noted that CM Punk went to WWE and asked to appear at the show as long as he wasn't promoted by ROH. - Punk, really isn't doing himself any favors with erasing that KING OF THE INDIES stigma he has with management. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted February 13, 2006 ROH needed to have a bad show??? WTF?? Why, did they need to lose money or something? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawk 34 0 Report post Posted February 13, 2006 ROH needed to have a bad show??? WTF?? Why, did they need to lose money or something? What i was trying to say is that, the next few shows are pretty important shows for ROH. ROH had a stretch of good shows going since NOTG2. I was only trying to say, eventually a bad show was inevitable to occur and that for ROH, it was better to happen now before the next 7 shows which are important shows. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Buzz 0 Report post Posted February 13, 2006 I'm still not seeing how the show was bad. From all the reports I read people enjoyed the show. What I have read however was that the surprise was underwhelming, even wtf inducing. A surprise not living up to the hype does not make a show bad. In fact....Cm Punk returning and Xavier returning as well probably makes this a hot show when it hits dvd. Yeah, Gabe fucked up with his choice of words as he led me to believe that maybe someone along the lines of Jericho, Christian, or Regal would show up. He didn't live up, oh well. Cm Punk and Xavier returned, Lance Storm is coming, Kenta/Marifuji and Dragon Gate are returning. Atleast ROH can do one thing...live up to their preannounced surprises. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustJoe2k5 0 Report post Posted February 13, 2006 I'm still not seeing how the show was bad. From all the reports I read people enjoyed the show. What I have read however was that the surprise was underwhelming, even wtf inducing. A surprise not living up to the hype does not make a show bad. In fact....Cm Punk returning and Xavier returning as well probably makes this a hot show when it hits dvd. Yeah, Gabe fucked up with his choice of words as he led me to believe that maybe someone along the lines of Jericho, Christian, or Regal would show up. He didn't live up, oh well. Cm Punk and Xavier returned, Lance Storm is coming, Kenta/Marifuji and Dragon Gate are returning. Atleast ROH can do one thing...live up to their preannounced surprises. People aren't saying that the show was bad, they are saying that the "surprise" was terrible. C.M. Punk and Xavier hardly warrant the type of hype they were getting prior to the event. Ring of Honor likely lost alot of trust in the fans after this event and they better hope the upcoming stretch of shows is off-the-charts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
