The WrestleMania Game

[humanoid92 0]

I'm sure most of you have seen this before. I'm not sure where it started or who came up with it, but I can remember seeing it online as far back as around Wrestlemania 2000. I haven't tried it in a few years so I figured I'm due.

 

The game is as follows: Using WM 1-21, you select one match from each year's card. The goal is to make a Wrestlemania supercard of sorts, with as many classic and memorable matches as possible while trying to keep the crap to a minimum. The rules make this challenging because A) You're not allowed to use anybody more than once and B) You're not allowed to use the same Title more than once. For example, if you use Savage/Steamboat from Wrestlemania III, you can't use HBK/Razor from Wrestlemania X since they're both for the Intercontinental Title. If you use, Bret/Owen from WM X, Bret/Austin from WM 13 is out of the question since you've already used Bret.

 

This makes for quite a difficult task. Some guys like Savage, Bret, HBK, Angle, etc. have a ton of great matches to pick from. And some have been in so many like Hogan and Undertaker that it really gets tricky. This was hard enough to do back in 2000 but now that the last 5 or 6 years have featured pretty much all the same guys in high profile matches (Austin, Rock, HHH, Angle, Benoit, Jericho, Undertaker, Michaels, Hogan, etc.) it's even harder. Give it a shot and you'll see what I mean.

 

So, using these rules, what's your ultimate WrestleMania card? I'll post mine in a bit.

 

I:

II:

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IV:

V:

VI:

VII:

VIII:

IX:

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XI:

XII:

13:

XIV:

XV:

2000:

X-7:

X-8:

XIX:

XX:

21:

[humanoid92 0]

Here's what I came up with, even though I don't really like it.

 

I: Andre the Giant vs. Big John Studd ($15,000 Bodyslam Challenge)

II: Terry & Hoss Funk vs. Tito Santana & Junkyard Dog

III: Tom Zenk & Rick Martel vs. Don Muraco & Bob Orton

IV: Ricky Steamboat vs. Greg Valentine

V: Mr. Perfect vs. Blue Blazer

VI: Jake Roberts vs. Ted DiBiase

VII: Ultimate Warrior vs. Randy Savage (Career Match)

VIII: Jim Duggan, Sgt. Slaughter, Big Boss Man & Virgil vs. Nasty Boys, Repo Man & Mountie

IX: Steiner Brothers vs. Headshrinkers

X: Intercontinental Title: Razor Ramon vs. Shawn Michaels (Ladder Match)

XI: Lawrence Taylor vs. Bam Bam Bigelow

XII: Undertaker vs. Diesel

13: Bret Hart vs. Steve Austin (Submission Match)

XIV: Light Heavyweight Title: Taka Michinoku vs. Aguila

XV: European Title: X-Pac vs. Shane McMahon

2000: Tag Team Titles: Edge & Christian vs. Hardy Boyz vs. Dudley Boyz (Triangle Ladder Match)

X-7: Chris Benoit vs. Kurt Angle

X-8: The Rock vs. Hulk Hogan

XIX: World Heavyweight Title: Triple H vs. Booker T

XX: Brock Lesnar vs. Goldberg

21: Rey Mysterio vs. Eddie Guerrero

 

I don't even really like this card. I should try again. My reasoning in the beginning was: One of the two classic IC Matches (3, 10) needs to make it and one of the two classic WM 10 matches needs to make it. Considering Wrestlemania III has a deep card, and going with the IC Title Ladder Match at 10 frees up Bret for 13, which has an otherwise weak card, I went that way. Only problem is it takes away any possibility of Shawn/Angle, Shawn/Jericho, or Shawn/HHH/Benoit.

 

I haven't used a WWF/E Title Match for some reason. I wanted to do Savage/Flair, but then Savage/Warrior is out and I picked the latter so I could save the Title match. I wanted to use the Evolution/Rock N Sock tag match from XX, but then Rocky is out and that kills X-8.

 

Using Undertaker at XII hurts too. The only other real alternative from that card that wouldn't kill off a bunch of guys (Bret, Shawn, Austin, Warrior, HHH, Owen, Bulldog, Jake, etc) is Piper vs. Goldust, which was barely even a match. I guess I could use that and go with Undertaker vs. Kane from XIV or Undertaker vs. Orton from 21... If I went with Taker/Orton, I could use Eddie/Angle at XX (I haven't used a WWE Title Match yet) and change X7... to... I guess Vince/Shane... except then I'd have to take Shane out of XV and use something pathetic like Holly/Snow/Gunn for the Hardcore Title or Mankind vs. Big Show. Yikes. See? Hard stuff.

 

I guess it all depends on which major matches you decide to use and the rest falls into place from there.

[Guest GoJoe]

I: Andre the Giant vs. Big John Studd

II: Junkyard Dog & Tito Santana vs. Dory & Terry Funk

III: Killer Bees vs. Iron Shiek & Nikolai Volkoff

IV: Ricky Steamboat vs. Greg Valentine

V: Brutus Beefcake vs. Ted DiBiase

VI: Jimmy Snuka vs. Rick Rude

VII: Ultimate Warrior vs. Macho Man Randy Savage

VIII: The Undertaker vs. Jake 'The Snake' Roberts

IX: Steiner Brothers vs. Headshrinkers

X: IC Championship: Razor Ramon vs. Shawn Michaels

XI: Lawrence Taylor vs. Bam Bam Bigelow

XII: Roddy Piper vs. Goldust

13: Bret 'Hitman' Hart vs. Stone Cold Steve Austin

XIV: European Championship: Triple H vs. Owen Hart

XV: Mankind vs. Big Show

2000: World Tag Team Championship: E&C vs. Dudleys vs. Hardys

X-7: Vince McMahon vs. Shane McMahon

X-8: The Rock vs. Hulk Hogan

XIX: WWE Championship: Brock Lesnar vs. Kurt Angle

XX: Cruserweight Championship Open

21: Women's Championship: Trish Stratus vs. Christy Hemme

 

Couldn't fit in either Benoit or Eddie.

[BorneAgain 0]

I: Andre vs. Big John Studd

II: Bulldogs vs. Dream Team

III: Piper vs. Adonis

IV: Don Muraco vs. Dino Bravo

V: Mr Perfect vs. The Blazer

VI: Jake Roberts vs. Ted Dibiase

VII: Savage vs. Warrior

VIII: Virgil/Big Boss Man/Jim Duggan/Sgt. Slaughter vs Repo Man/Mountie/The Nasty Boys

IX: Steiners vs. Headshrinkers

X: Razor vs. HBK

XI: LT vs. Bam Bam Bigelow

XII: Undertaker vs. Diesel

13: Austin vs. Hart

XIV: Sable/Mero vs. Goldust/Luna

XV: Big Show vs. Mankind

2000: Hardcore Battle Royal

X-7: Shane vs. Vince

X-8: Rock vs. Hogan

XIX: Booker vs. HHH

XX: Eddie vs. Angle

21: Benoit vs. Jericho vs. Kane vs. Shelton vs. Christian vs. Edge

 

Cards don't really pick up until after VI or so.

 

BTW, This was damned hard to do.

[Aero 0]

I: Ricky Steamboat vs. Matt Borne

II: The Funks vs. Santana & JYD

III: Can-Am Connection vs. Bob Orton & Don Muraco

IV: Hulk Hogan vs. Andre the Giant

V: Brutus Beefcake vs. Ted DiBiase

VI: Rick Rude vs. Jimmy Snuka

VII: Randy Savage vs. Ultimate Warrior

VIII: IC Title: Roddy Piper vs. Bret Hart

IX: Steiner Brothers vs. Headshrinkers

X: Earthquake vs. Adam Bomb

XI: Bam Bam Bigelow vs. Lawrence Taylor

XII: Yokozuna, Ahmed Johnson, & Jake Roberts vs. British Bulldog, Owen Hart, & Vader

13: New Blackjacks vs. Headbangers vs. Godwinns vs. Doug Furnas & Philip LaFon

XIV: Goldust & Luna vs. Marc Mero & Sable

XV: European Title Shane McMahon vs. X-Pac

2000: Tag Titles: Hardy Boyz vs. Dudley Boyz vs. Edge & Christian

X-7: WWF TITLE: Steve Austin vs. The Rock

X-8: Kurt Angle vs. Kane

XIX: Women's Title Trish Stratus vs. Victoria vs. Jazz

XX: World Title: HHH vs. Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Benoit

21: Undertaker vs. Randy Orton

 

I've done this at least twice before, so I tried to stray from what I figure I would usually do in order to make something different. The matches that I'm disappointed to have missed are Bret vs. Austin from 13 (my favorite match ever), Bret vs. Owen, and Angle vs. Benoit among others. I feel bad that Angle had to settle for his worst match (with Kane). I missed Flair, Razor, Mr. Perfect, and Diesel.

 

WM XII really screwed me up, as I had already used Warrior in VII, Austin couldn't be wasted with Savio, Taker was lined up with Orton for one of his better WM matches, and Goldust was stuck in WM XIV (which is a match I do like alot). I originally had the Chicago Street Fight for 13, but Ahmed needed to be available for the Six-Man Tag at XII.

 

I reluctantly used the WWF Title (at X7) AND the World Heavyweight Title (at XX), but it had to be done.

 

For XIX, it was either Hogan vs. McMahon or the Women's Title... so I picked the match I liked better. That was easily one of the better women's title matches in WWE. With that, I wanted Hogan at least somewhere, so I stuck him in the match with Andre from IV.

 

Not the best WM card, but it's better than most likely recycling the same card I had last year.

[humanoid92 0]

Good cards thus far. I appreciate the responses.

 

I decided to try again and go with a different Savage match and a different Michaels match to see if I could get better results.

 

Here we go:

 

I: Hulk Hogan & Mr. T vs. Roddy Piper & Paul Orndorff

II: Corporal Kirchner vs. Nikolai Volkoff (Flag Match) ......ouch

III: IC Title: Randy Savage vs. Ricky Steamboat

IV: British Bulldogs & Koko B. Ware vs. The Islanders & Bobby Heenan

V: Strike Force vs. Brainbusters

VI: Brutus Beefcake vs. Mr. Perfect

VII: Virgil vs. Ted DiBiase

VIII: Tatanka vs. Rick Martel

IX: Steiner Brothers vs. Headshrinkers

X: Bret Hart vs. Owen Hart

XI: Lawrence Taylor vs. Bam Bam Bigelow

XII: Ultimate Warrior vs. Triple H

13: Legion of Doom & Ahmed Johnson vs. Faarooq, Crush & Savio Vega

XIV: Undertaker vs. Kane

XV: WWF Title: The Rock vs. Steve Austin

2000: Tag Team Titles: Edge & Christian vs. Hardy Boyz vs. Dudley Boyz (Triangle Ladder Match)

X-7: Chris Benoit vs. Kurt Angle

X-8: Women's Title: Trish vs. Jazz vs. Lita

XIX: Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Jericho

XX: Rock, Mick Foley vs. Ric Flair, Batista & Randy Orton

21: Rey Mysterio vs. Eddie Guerrero

 

Some key decisions this time: Rock and Flair in the same match eliminates both Undertaker/Flair and Rock/Hogan from X-8, which leaves the women's match as the only choice (I'm not about to waste Austin on Hall and Angle on Kane). I'd have much rather had Austin/Rock from X-7 instead of XV but Angle/Benoit smokes anything on the other show. I could have gone Piper/Goldust or Undertaker/Diesel for 12 and switched 14 to Taka/Aguila and 1 to Andre/Studd, but whatever. I'm still not satisfied with this card; this exercise was much easier 6 or 7 years ago before Shawn's latest matches, Angle's contributions, the X-7 supercard and Rock/Hogan.

 

Back then, Savage/Flair, Shawn/Razor and Bret/Austin all fell into place nicely (Savage/Flair eliminates Savage/Steamboat, which means Shawn/Razor gets the IC match, which takes out all of Bret's other WM classics [8, 10, 12] and leaves the Austin match) but now there are too many other factors. Hmmm... maybe I should try again sticking with those three matches as my starting points. Bah. There's a million different ways to go.

[Darth Vader 0]

I:Piper & Orndorff vs. Mr.T & Hulk Hogan

II: Terry & Hoss Funk vs. JYD & Tito

III: Volkoff & Sheik vs. Killer Bees

IV: Steamboat vs. Valentine

V: Warrior vs. Rude (INTERCONTINENTAL TITLE)

VI: Jake Roberts vs. Ted DiBiase

VII: Demolition vs. Tenryu & Kitao

VIII: Ric Flair vs. Randy Savage (WWE TITLE)

IX: Mr. Perfect vs. Lex Luger

X: Bret Hart vs. Owen Hart

XI: L.T vs. Bam Bam Bigelow

XII: Undertaker vs. Diesel

XIII: LOD & Ahmed Johnson vs. Nation of Domination

XIV: Taka Mickinoku vs. Agulila (LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE)

XV: Big Show vs. Mankind

2000: E&C vs. DUDs vs. Hardys

X-Seven: Vince McMahon vs. Shane McMahon

X-8: Trish Stratus vs. Jazz vs. Lita (WOMANS TITLE)

XIX: Stone Cold vs. The Rock

XX: Triple H vs. Benoit vs. HBK (WORLD TITLE)

21: Eddie vs. Rey

[Guest GoJoe]

I'll have another shot at this because I wasn't entirely happy with my list either...

 

I: Andre the Giant vs. Big John Studd

II: Mr. T vs. Rowdy Roddy Piper

III: Harley Race vs. Junkyard Dog

IV: Ricky Steamboat vs. Greg Valentine

V: Strike Force vs. Brainbusters

VI: Jimmy Snuka vs. Ravashing Rick Rude

VII: Virgil vs. Million Dollar Man Ted DiBiase

VIII: WWE Championship: Randy Savage vs. Ric Flair

IX: Mr. Perfect vs. Lex Luger

X: IC Championship: Razor Ramon vs. Shawn Michaels

XI: The Undertaker vs. Diesel

XII: Yoko, Jake the Snake & Ahmed Johnson vs. Vader, Owen Hart & Bulldog

13: Bret Hart vs. Stone Cold Steve Austin

XIV: Tag Team Championship: NAO vs. Cactus Jack & Terry Funk

XV: European Championship: X-Pac vs. Shane McMahon

2000: Hardcore Championship Battle Royale

X-7: Chris Benoit vs. Kurt Angle

X-8: The Rock vs. Hollywood Hogan

XIX: Women's Championship: Trish vs. Victoria vs. Jazz

XX: Chris Jericho vs. Christian

21: Rey Mysterio vs. Eddie Guerrero

 

I don't think I'll be able to better that list. By the way, for anyone trying this afresh, work backwards. Much easier that way.

[The Mandarin 0]

Triple Main Event
World Heavyweight Title
WrestleMania XX: Triple H © vs. Chris Benoit vs. Shawn Michaels
WWF Title
WrestleMania X-7: The Rock © vs. Steve Austin
WrestleMania XI: Lawrence Taylor vs. Bam Bam Bigelow

Other Bouts
20 Years in the Making
WrestleMania XIX: Hulk Hogan vs. Vince McMahon
Intercontinental Championship
WrestleMania V: Ultimate Warrior © vs. "Ravishing" Rick Rude
Legend vs. Legend Killer
WrestleMania XXI: Undertaker vs. Randy Orton
$15,000 Bodyslam Challenge
WrestleMania I: Andre the Giant vs. Big John Studd
Backlot Brawl
WrestleMania XII: Roddy Piper vs. Goldust
WWF Lightheavyweight Title
WrestleMania XIV: Taka Michinoku © vs. Aguila
Boxing Match
WrestleMania XV: Butterbean vs. Bart Gunn
WWF Tag Team Championship- TLC Match
WrestleMania 2000: Dudleys © vs. Hardy Boys vs. Edge and Christian
WrestleMania VII: Legion of Doom vs. Power and Glory
WrestleMania X-8: Kurt Angle vs. Kane
WrestleMania VIII: Rick Martel vs. Tatanka
"Loser Must Bow" Match
WrestleMania III: Harley Race vs. Junkyard Dog
WrestleMania IV: Ricky Steamboat vs. Greg Valentine
Million Dollar Championship
WrestleMania VI: Ted Dibiase © vs. Jake Roberts
WrestleMania IX: Lex Luger vs. Mr. Perfect
WrestleMania II: Don Muraco vs. Paul Orndorff
Opening Bout
WrestleMania X: Bret Hart vs. Owen Hart
Dark Match
WrestleMania XIII: Flash Funk vs. Billy Gunn

[Guest GoJoe]

CM, you've doubled up on Bret Hart at VII and X.

[Guest Rrrsh]

Leilani Kai – Wendi Richter Womans Title

Wrestlemania I as a whole pretty much sucked, and my goal is to have as many title defended as possible. So, A + B makes this match.

 

Steamboat – Hurcules

Ricky Steamboat is a must include in this illustrious card, since Savage has 3 unbelivable match, Savage/Steamboat lost a coin toss. Plus Flair is tougher to find a match on shit card like Wrestlemania II to throw into, and I hate Warrior. Ill expect a thank you in the mail for your inclusion in this elite card Hurc.

 

Rougeaus – Hammer/Brutus

A very underrated Tag match with three pretty damn good workers in their heyday. O yah, Leslie was here too.

 

Islanders/Heenan – Bulldogs/Koko 6 Man Tag

Another garbage Wrestlemania gives me a chance to add ole Dynamite to the show. Match was fine, but nothing else sticks out.

 

Busters – Santana/Martel

The Brian BUSTAS need to make a best of show, I dont care if they were only in one Wrestlemania, thats how good they were! Match was good and I aint bumping anything else that sticks out in a show that blends into the background.

 

Jake – Million Dollar Man

One of Jake's best match and an unbeliveable promo before hand too boot!

 

Perfect – Bossman IC Title

Of all the great IC Title match in Wrestlemania, this may not spring to your mind, but these were two great workers who put on a very underrated match. Easily the second best match at Wrestlemania VII.

 

Savage – Flair WWF Heavyweight Title

And after skipping TWO Savage classics, the third one gets used in one of my personal favorites of all time. Easily one of Fliars WWF greats, and a match I love watching over and over agian. But, I used Both the main two titles before WM IX, so its gonna get tough from here on out.

 

Headshrinkers – Stieners

Crappy WM, decent match, no one good used. BOO YAH

 

Owen – Bret

Using Owen in this list was much more improtant than using Razor, since Bret and HBK have lots of classics. Obviously a great match, and I am glad I can use it.

 

Bam Bam – Taylor

An aweful show with no gem means I get to include the most famous match. Hey, it was that or using the Blues Brothers.

 

Piper – Goldust Hollywood Backlot Brawl

Another Wrestlemania where the undercard had very little, so a famous match get inserted instead. I will always pick a famous match that was meh compared to a rushed 5 minute midcard match, and I loved Goldust back then.

 

Ahmed/LOD – Nation Chicago Street Fight

A very underrated garbage brawl that has Ahmed Johnson and probably Crush's best match. It was fun enough and I think quite overlooked.

 

Taka – Aguila Light Heavyweight Tilte

Need that Lightweight Title!

 

X-pac – Shane McMahon Europian Heavyweight Title

Best match of the night AND Euro title. BOO YAH!

 

E&C - Hardyz - Dudleyz Tag Titles

I F'in LOATHE TLC 2, so I happily pick this over the Wrestlemania XVII rematch. My only regret is that I couldn't use Jericho, as he is the only guy I really wanted to include but couldn't on my card. Him and Eddie.

 

Raven – Kane – Show Hardcore Title

A real fun match. Everyone else in this Wrestlemania who is any good had better matches in other Wrestlemania's.

 

Rock – Hogan

Shit card, famous match. Thats a gimmie.

 

Hardy – Rey Cruiserweight Title

Here is where I had a big debate in my head. I really wanted to use Jericho/HBK here, but then no Benoit and the Three Way at Wrestlemania XX is better than Jericho/HBK. So, we go for another Title and a fun little match.

 

Benoit – HBK – HHH World Heavyweight Title

So happy I got to use both Heavyweight belts, and this match is a must need.

 

Taker – Orton

Wrestlemania Legend Undertakers best match. Gotta include Taker, and so very few of him Mania matches were any good.

 

Day 1

Dark Match: Steamboat – Hurcules

Opener: Hardy – Rey Cruiserweight Title

2nd: Islanders/Heenan – Bulldogs/Koko

3rd: X-pac – Shane McMahon Europian Heavyweight Title

4th: Busters – Strike Force

5th: Ahmed/LOD – Nation Chicago Street Fight

6th: Perfect – Bossman IC Title

7th: Bam Bam – Taylor

8th: Owen – Bret

Main Event: Benoit – HBK – HHH World Heavyweight Title

 

 

Dark Match: Headshrinkers – Stieners

Opener: Taka – Aguila Light Heavyweight Tilte

2nd: Rougeaus – Hammer/Brutus

3rd: Raven – Kane – Show Hardcore Title

4th: Leilani Kai – Wendi Richter Womans Title

5th: Jake Roberts – Million Dollar Man

6th: Piper – Goldust Hollywood Backlot Brawl

7th: Rock – Hogan

8th: E&C - Hardyz - Dudleyz Tag Titles

9th: Taker – Orton[/size]

Main Event: Savage – Flair WWF Heavyweight Title

[humanoid92 0]

I like this one a lot, Rrrsh. I'm also a mark for Savage/Flair, and I like that you tried to get guys like Steamboat, Dynamite and the Busters on the card. I like the Piper/Goldust and Rock/Hogan strategy as well. And the 2000 match that I like to call TLC 0. No-brainer.

 

I had the same problem with Jericho. You can't use 2000 for him because it blows two titles and two other awesome workers. Can't use X-7 because it's for the IC Title and that's a stacked card. Can't use him at X-8 because Rock/Hogan is a no-brainer and it's for the Title, can't use him at XX because Christian is in those ladder matches, and can't use him at 21 because Money in the Bank uses up too many other quality guys. So the only option is vs. Michaels (a match I love) but Shawn has way too many other options to go with.

 

I like what you did with Day 1 and Day 2, and what CM Funk did with his card. I'm going to have to go back, make my final decisions and make something like that.

 

One thing I just noticed though: You used Matt Hardy against Mysterio and in the Triangle Ladder Match, which is a no-no.

[Guest GoJoe]

Let's see if I can get mine into different cards...

 

Wrestlemania Classic Night 1 - The Federation Years

Opener: Strike Force vs. Brainbusters

2nd: Ricky Steamboat vs. Greg Valentine

3rd: Mr. T vs. Rowdy Roddy Piper

4th: Jimmy Snuka vs. Ravashing Rick Rude

5th: Virgil vs. Million Dollar Man Ted DiBiase

6th: Andre the Giant vs. Big John Studd

7th: Harley Race vs. Junkyard Dog

Main Event: Randy Savage vs. Ric Flair (WWE Championship)

 

Wrestlemania Classic Night 2 - The New Generation

Opener: Yoko, Jake the Snake & Ahmed Johnson vs. Vader, Owen Hart & Bulldog

2nd: Mr. Perfect vs. Lex Luger

3rd: The Undertaker vs. Diesel

4th: NAO vs. Cactus Jack & Terry Funk (Tag Team Championship)

5th: Razor Ramon vs. Shawn Michaels (IC Championship)

Main Event: Bret Hart vs. Stone Cold Steve Austin

 

Wrestlemania Classic Night 3 - Attitude Era

Opener: Rey Mysterio vs. Eddie Guerrero

2nd: Hardcore Championship Battle Royale (Hardcore Championship)

3rd: Chris Jericho vs. Christian

4th: X-Pac vs. Shane McMahon (European Championship)

5th: Chris Benoit vs. Kurt Angle

6th: Trish vs. Victoria vs. Jazz (Women's Championship)

Main Event: The Rock vs. Hollywood Hogan

[Guest Rrrsh]

I like this one a lot, Rrrsh. I'm also a mark for Savage/Flair, and I like that you tried to get guys like Steamboat, Dynamite and the Busters on the card. I like the Piper/Goldust and Rock/Hogan strategy as well. And the 2000 match that I like to call TLC 0. No-brainer.

 

I had the same problem with Jericho. You can't use 2000 for him because it blows two titles and two other awesome workers. Can't use X-7 because it's for the IC Title and that's a stacked card. Can't use him at X-8 because Rock/Hogan is a no-brainer and it's for the Title, can't use him at XX because Christian is in those ladder matches, and can't use him at 21 because Money in the Bank uses up too many other quality guys. So the only option is vs. Michaels (a match I love) but Shawn has way too many other options to go with.

 

I like what you did with Day 1 and Day 2, and what CM Funk did with his card. I'm going to have to go back, make my final decisions and make something like that.

 

One thing I just noticed though: You used Matt Hardy against Mysterio and in the Triangle Ladder Match, which is a no-no.

 

Thanks for the thoughts. I was so worried about including all the titles and gettig Rey in there, I totally blanked out Hardy. I have no friggin clue what I will do about WM 19 now.

 

I think a Day 1 and 2 thing works, cuz it is 21 matches. Might as well have some fun and try to book it like a real show that WWE would do.

[Guest Rrrsh]

My chnages have to do with WM I and XIX, as I double Matt Hardy.

 

My WM XIX match is now the Womans three way. And since I used teh womans title back then, I will incude Andre in my "historical wrestlers to throw in there during shit cards"

 

Hardy-Rey out, Trish-Jazz-Lita in

 

Kai-Richetr out, Studd-Andre in.

 

Xpac-Shane now opens, with Bam Bam-Taylor going 3rd and Studd-Andre in at 7th for Day 1.

 

Straight change for Day 2, womans match for womans match in the 4th slot.

[Guest KCC]

Did the best I could:

 

I: Andre the Giant vs. Big John Studd

II: The Funks vs. JYD and Tito Santana

III: Roddy Piper vs. Adrian Adonis

IV: Greg Valentine vs. Ricky Steamboat

V: Brainbusters vs. Strike Force

VI: Ted Dibiase vs. Jake Roberts

VII: British Bulldog vs. Warlord

VIII: WWF Title: Randy Savage vs. Ric Flair

IX: Lex Luger vs. Mr. Perfect

X: Owen Hart vs. Bret Hart

XI: WWF IC title: Jeff Jarrett vs. Razor Ramon

XII: Steve Austin vs. Savio Vega

13: Headbangers vs. Doug Furnas and Phil Lafon vs. the Godwinns vs. the Blackjacks

XIV: Undertaker vs. Kane

XV: Women's title: Sable vs. Tori

2000: WWF Tag Titles TLC Match: Edge and Christian vs. Hardy Boyz vs. Dudley Boyz

X-7: Chris Benoit vs. Kurt Angle

X-8: Hulk Hogan vs. The Rock

XIX: Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Jericho

XX: US Title: John Cena vs. Big Show

21: World Title: Triple H vs. Batista

 

IMO, all matches on my list range from mediocre-amazing (Sable/Tori the exception, put it on because us male fans would need some eye candy ). Tell me if I doubled someone.

[Guest Sabu]

Did the best I could:

 

I: Andre the Giant vs. Big John Studd

II: The Funks vs. JYD and Tito Santana

III: Roddy Piper vs. Adrian Adonis

IV: Greg Valentine vs. Ricky Steamboat

V: Brainbusters vs. Strike Force

VI: Ted Dibiase vs. Jake Roberts

VII: British Bulldog vs. Warlord

VIII: WWF Title: Randy Savage vs. Ric Flair

IX: Lex Luger vs. Mr. Perfect

X: Owen Hart vs. Bret Hart

XI: WWF IC title: Jeff Jarrett vs. Razor Ramon

XII: Steve Austin vs. Savio Vega

13: Headbangers vs. Doug Furnas and Phil Lafon vs. the Godwinns vs. the Blackjacks

XIV: Undertaker vs. Kane

XV: Women's title: Sable vs. Tori

2000: WWF Tag Titles TLC Match: Edge and Christian vs. Hardy Boyz vs. Dudley Boyz

X-7: Chris Benoit vs. Kurt Angle

X-8: Hulk Hogan vs. The Rock

XIX: Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Jericho

XX: US Title: John Cena vs. Big Show

21: World Title: Triple H vs. Batista

 

IMO, all matches on my list range from mediocre-amazing (Sable/Tori the exception, put it on because us male fans would need some eye candy ). Tell me if I doubled someone.

 

The only mistake I see is that you have Strike Force on there, but then you also have Tito Santana teaming with someone else.

[Guest KCC]

Did the best I could:

 

I: Andre the Giant vs. Big John Studd

II: The Funks vs. JYD and Tito Santana

III: Roddy Piper vs. Adrian Adonis

IV: Greg Valentine vs. Ricky Steamboat

V: Brainbusters vs. Strike Force

VI: Ted Dibiase vs. Jake Roberts

VII: British Bulldog vs. Warlord

VIII: WWF Title: Randy Savage vs. Ric Flair

IX: Lex Luger vs. Mr. Perfect

X: Owen Hart vs. Bret Hart

XI: WWF IC title: Jeff Jarrett vs. Razor Ramon

XII: Steve Austin vs. Savio Vega

13: Headbangers vs. Doug Furnas and Phil Lafon vs. the Godwinns vs. the Blackjacks

XIV: Undertaker vs. Kane

XV: Women's title: Sable vs. Tori

2000: WWF Tag Titles TLC Match: Edge and Christian vs. Hardy Boyz vs. Dudley Boyz

X-7: Chris Benoit vs. Kurt Angle

X-8: Hulk Hogan vs. The Rock

XIX: Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Jericho

XX: US Title: John Cena vs. Big Show

21: World Title: Triple H vs. Batista

 

IMO, all matches on my list range from mediocre-amazing (Sable/Tori the exception, put it on because us male fans would need some eye candy ). Tell me if I doubled someone.

 

The only mistake I see is that you have Strike Force on there, but then you also have Tito Santana teaming with someone else.

Crap, I should've seen that. Let me replace Funks vs. JYD/Santana with Orndorff vs. Muraco.

 

And, don't I know you from somewhere? :shifty:

[gWIL 0]

WrestleMania

 

“The Ultimate Challenge”

World Wrestling Federation Championship/ Intercontinental Championship

Champion vs Champion, Title vs Title

“The Immortal” Hulk Hogan vs The Ultimate Warrior

(WrestleMania 6)

 

“Brother vs Brother”

Bret “The Hitman” Hart vs Owen Hart

(WrestleMania 10)

 

“Stone Cold” Steve Austin vs The Rock III

(WrestleMania 19)

 

Chris Benoit vs Kurt Angle

(WrestleMania 17)

 

The Undertaker vs Randy Orton

(WrestleMania 21)

 

“Hollywood Backlot Brawl”

“Rowdy” Roddy Piper vs Goldust

(WrestleMania 12)

 

Bam Bam Bigelow vs Lawrence Taylor

(WrestleMania 11)

 

Goldberg vs Brock Lesnar

(WrestleMania 20)

 

Women’s Championship

Trish Stratus vs Jazz vs Lita

(WrestleMania 18)

 

World Tag Team Championship

Ladder Match

The Hardy Boys vs The Dudley Boys vs Edge and Christain

(WrestleMania 16)

 

European Championship

X-Pac vs Shane McMahon

(WrestleMania 15)

 

Light Heavyweight Championship

Taka Michinoku vs Aguila

(WrestleMania 14)

 

Chicago Street Fight

Ahmed Johnson & Legion of Doom def. Nation of Domination

(WrestleMania 13)

 

The Steiner Brothers vs The Headshrinkers

(WrestleMania 9)

 

Shawn Michaels vs Tito Santana

(WrestleMania 8)

 

Virgil vs “Million Dollar Man” Ted DiBiase

(WrestleMania 7)

 

Randy "Macho Man" Savage vs Greg “The Hammer” Valentine

(WrestleMania 4)

 

Honky Tonk Man vs Jake “The Snake” Roberts

(WrestleMania 3)

 

Flag Match

Corporal Kirchner vs Nikolai Volkoff

(WrestleMania 2)

 

Bad News Brown vs “Hacksaw” Jim Duggan

(WrestleMania 5)

 

King Kong Bundy vs SD Jones

(WrestleMania 1)

[Darthtiki 0]

$15,000 Slam Match

I Andre the Giant v. Big John Studd

 

IITerry & Hoss Funk w/ Jimmy Hart v. Tito Santana & Junkyard Dog

 

Intercontinental Championship

III Ricky “The Dragon” Steamboat w/ George “The Animal” Steele v. Randy "Macho Man" Savage w/ Elizabeth to become new champion

 

IV Ultimate Warrior v. Hercules w/ Bobby “The Brain” Heenan

 

V The Bushwhackers v. The Rougeau Brothers w/ Jimmy Hart

 

VI Earthquake w/ Jimmy Hart v. Hercules

 

Blindfold Match

VII Jake “The Snake” Roberts v. “The Model” Rick Martel

 

VIII Owen Hart v. Skinner

 

IX Razor Ramon v. Bob Backlund

 

Mixed Tag Match

X Bam Bam Bigelow & Luna Vachon v. Doink & Dink

 

XI Lex Luger & British Bulldog v. Eli & Jacob Blu w/ Uncle Zebekiah

 

Hollywood Backlot Brawl

XII “Rowdy” Roddy Piper v. Goldust w/ Marlena

 

No. 1 Contenders Tag Team Fatal Four Way Elimination Match

13 The Headbangers v. The Godwinns w/ Hillbilly Jim, The New Blackjacks and Doug Furnas & Phil LaFon

 

Light Heavyweight Championship

XIV Taka Michinoku v. Aguila to retain

 

WWE Championship Main Event

XV Stone Cold v. The Rock to become champion

 

World Tag Team Championship Ladder Match

2000 Edge & Christian v. the Dudleys and Hardy Boyz to become new champions

 

European Championship

X-7 Eddie Guerrero v. Test to become new champion

 

Hardcore Championship

X-8 Spike Dudley, Hurricane, Mighty Molly, Maven and lastly Christian all scored pinfalls to become Hardcore Champion during the night

 

Street Fight

XIX Hollywood Hogan v. Mr. McMahon

 

Triple Threat World Heavyweight Championship Match

XX Chris Benoit v. Triple H and Shawn Michaels to become new champion

 

Interpromotional Match

21 Undertaker v. Randy Orton

[Perfxion 0]

WM I: Leilani Kai vs Wendi Richter (Womans Title)

 

WM 2: Piper vs Mr T. Boxing Match (big names)

 

WM III: Savage vs Steamboat (IC title) best WM match ever

 

WM IV: Ultimate Warrior vs Herc (Um, to not waste anyone or any title, this gets the nod)

 

WM V: Mr Perfect vs Blue Blazer (one of only two good matches on this card)

 

WM VI: Million $ Man vs Jake The Booze Roberts (Million Dollar Title Match)

 

WM VII: Warlord v. The British Bulldog (crappy match, but of leftovers, this gets the nod)

 

WM VIII: Rick Martel vs. Tatanka

 

WM IX: Headshrinkers vs Stieners

 

WM X: Earthquake vs. Adam Bomb (its short)

 

WM XI: Bam Bam vs LT

 

WM XII: Undertaker vs Big Daddy Cool

 

WM XIII: Bret Hart vs Stone Cold

 

WM XIV: The Artist Formerly Known as Goldust & Luna v. Marc Mero & Sable

 

WM XV: Shane vs X-Pac (Euro Title)

 

WM XVI: Matched to be later Called TLC (tag team titles)

 

WM X-Seven: Raven vs Big Show vs Kane (hardcore title)

 

WM X8: Rock vs Hogan

 

WM XIX: Lesnar vs Angle (WWE Title)

 

WM XX: Benoit vs HBK vs Triple H (World title)

 

WM 21: Edggie Guerrero vs Rey Jr.

[Guest Rrrsh]

Darthtiki, this is no slight on you, but I am such a big WM X mark for the "big 2 matches". And same with WM VIII.

 

So right when I saw the matches you pciked for X and VIII, I said very loud to know one in the room "Man this card is shit"

 

I thought it was funny.

[Guest Rrrsh]

I am now doubting me leaving off Eddie, Angle and Jericho. I love my card, but maybe I can make it better.

 

Whats better: 3 way Hardcore at WM XVII, womans match at XIX and Benoit/HHH/HBK at XX

 

or Benoit/ANgle at XVII, HBK/Y2J at XIX and womans at XX?

[humanoid92 0]

I am now doubting me leaving off Eddie, Angle and Jericho. I love my card, but maybe I can make it better.

 

Whats better: 3 way Hardcore at WM XVII, womans match at XIX and Benoit/HHH/HBK at XX

 

or Benoit/ANgle at XVII, HBK/Y2J at XIX and womans at XX?

 

Now that I've thought about my card again, it's apparent we have very similar tastes. I'm also a huge mark for the two big matches at VIII and X.

 

The problem you mentioned above is the same thing I have been debating. Do I go HBK/Y2J and Benoit/Angle and something lesser at XX (somehow it always comes down to Cena/Show or Brock/Goldberg)? Or do I go with Benoit/HHH/HBK, Brock/Angle, and something lesser at X-7 (the Hardcore Match or even the Gimmick Battle Royale)? I'm torn.

 

I don't think I'll be able to justify leaving off one of the "big" matches from X-7 in favor of something else though. Going the Benoit/Angle and HBK/Y2J route makes for two awesome matches, four awesome workers, and takes up two cards. With Benoit/HHH/HBK, you're sacrificing at least two other cards for a triple threat match. This match would be much easier to include if it was just Benoit/HHH like it should have been. I can't justify blowing HBK on a triple threat. So to answer your question, I'd go with the second choice but maybe consider a different match at XX.

 

I'm a little upset that I can't use Jericho/Christian, but one of the TLCs has to go in, plain and simple. I also use the fact that I'm using one of the TLCs to justify not putting the Shawn/Razor ladder match on there (two ladder matches is overkill), which opens up Shawn... and leads to Bret/Owen instead of Bret/Austin. Which at first seemed wrong because 13 sucks compared to 10, but anything I'd put on from 10 outside of the big two is no worse than anything I'd put on from 13 outside of the big one. So no big deal I guess.

 

It's funny how things trickle down when trying to do this. If you go Bret/Austin, Owen is available for V against Perfect. But if you go Bret/Owen, you have to do Strike Force/Busters at V, which takes Tito out of the tag match at 2 and leaves... your choice of garbage. Possibly Piper/T, which then eliminates Piper from XII, which forces you to go Taker/Diesel (no Taker/Kane, Taker/Flair, or Taker/Orton that way) or even Warrior/HHH (no HHH). Tricky.

 

Basically, Taker, Savage, Shawn, and Bret are the key guys. With Rock, Hogan, Austin, Flair, HHH, Angle and Benoit screwing things up as much as they can.

 

One card I did ended up having no WWF Title Match AND no Austin, Flair, etc. Weird. I also found that when I use Savage/Steamboat and Bret/Owen, I end up with Razor/Jarrett as the IC Title Match on that one, a match I actually do like, but one that probably wastes the IC Title.

 

I tried the approach of the one guy who wanted to include as many titles as possible, but I felt it sacrificed too much quality. Plus, in order to use the Light Heavyweight Title (at XIV) you must then eliminate Taka, which gets rid of the Hardcore Battle Royale from 2000, which is the only Hardcore match that I like. Plus it pretty much automatically means HHH/Benoit/HBK must be used, and like I said, I don't like using Shawn in a triple threat.

 

So, anyway- question: For XX, It looks like I'm going to have to go either Show/Cena for the US Title or Brock/Goldberg. Which do I use? I don't particularly remember either except for the crowd shitting on the latter. Do I go with the two big names that will probably never be at a WM again, or the US Title match?

 

I'll have to post my final card sometime soon.

[humanoid92 0]

Okay, I guess I'm finally done:

 

Day 1

 

Rey Mysterio vs. Eddie Guerrero (21)

Million Dollar Title Match:

Jake "The Snake" Roberts vs. "Million Dollar Man" Ted DiBiase © (6)

Chicago Street Fight:

Legion of Doom & Ahmed Johnson vs. Faarooq, Crush & Savio Vega (13)

Chris Benoit vs. Kurt Angle (17)

Piper's Retirement Match:

Rowdy Roddy Piper vs. Adrian Adonis (3)

European Title Match:

X-Pac vs. Shane McMahon © (15)

Tag Team Title Triangle Ladder Match:

Edge & Christian vs. The Hardy Boyz vs. The Dudley Boyz © (16)

Greg "The Hammer" Valentine vs. Earthquake (7)

Intercontinental Title Match:

Razor Ramon vs. Jeff Jarrett © (11)

Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat vs. Hercules (2)

Icon vs. Icon:

The Rock vs. Hulk Hogan (18)

 

Day 2

 

Brother vs. Brother:

Bret "Hitman" Hart vs. "The Rocket" Owen Hart (10)

$15,000 Bodyslam Challenge:

Andre The Giant vs. Big John Studd (1)

Light Heavyweight Title Match:

Taka Michinoku © vs. Aguila (14)

The Steiner Brothers vs. The Headshrinkers (9)

Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Jericho (19)

British Bulldogs & Koko B. Ware vs. The Islanders & Bobby "The Brain" Heenan (4)

Special Referee Steve Austin:

Brock Lesnar vs. Goldberg (20)

Strike Force vs. The Brainbusters (5)

The Undertaker vs. Diesel (12)

WWF Title Match:

"Macho Man" Randy Savage vs. Ric Flair © (8)

 

I really wanted the Can-Ams to open day one a la WM III, but I was also determined to use Strike Force/Busters. I don't like that three of the Title matches on Day one end with the heel champion retaining via shennanigans, but oh well. Thoughts?

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

No one actually put in Andre vs. Hogan? In my mind that's the ultimate WWF Championship bout, and nothing will ever surpass it in that regard, in terms of drawing power, heat, hype and sheer drama.

[Guest Rrrsh]

Hogan had the equiv match in modern era with Rock, plus there is no title used. Thats what sold me.

[alfdogg 0]

My card:

 

I: Andre the Giant vs Big John Studd

II: Roddy Piper vs Mr. T

III: Jake Roberts vs Honky Tonk Man

IV: British Bulldogs & Koko B. Ware vs The Islanders & Bobby Heenan

V: Strike Force vs Brainbusters

VI: Brutus Beefcake vs Mr. Perfect

VII: Ted DiBiase vs Virgil

VIII: Randy Savage vs Ric Flair (WWF World title)

IX: Steiner Brothers vs Headshrinkers

X: Razor Ramon vs Shawn Michaels (WWF Intercontinental title)

XI: Smoking Gunns vs Owen Hart & Yokozuna (WWF Tag Team titles)

XII: Undertaker vs Diesel

XIII: Bret Hart vs Steve Austin

XIV: TAKA Michinoku vs Aguila (WWF Light Heavyweight title)

XV: Shane McMahon vs X-Pac (WWF European title)

XVI: T&A vs Head Cheese

XVII: Gimmick Battle Royal

XVIII: The Rock vs Hulk Hogan

XIX: Victoria vs Trish Stratus vs Jazz (WWE Women's title)

XX: Cruiserweight Invitational (WWE Cruiserweight title)

XXI: Money in the Bank

[alfdogg 0]

Changed, as I realized I forgot about the tag titles.

[humanoid92 0]

Just thought I'd add that apparently one of the writers at WWE.com will be doing this:

 

http://www.wwe.com/inside/commentary/030806louiemaniabegins