Could a double turn be on the cards?

[Guest Desperate Housewife]

I was scanning through other wrestling boards, and news sites, and someone raised the possibility of a double turn before Wrestlemania, face HHH vs. heel John Cena.

 

The more I think of, what an awesome idea.

 

Say (and this is real fantasy booking), HHH comes out and announces that he's cool with Cena - and wants an epic, "Big-Time" match at Wrestlemania - the two of them being the future of Raw, showing the whole world what the WWE is about. Cena says fine. Maybe they take on Big Show and Van Dam later on that night.

 

What if Cena viciously beats the crap out of HHH and declares, no, Mania will be his moment and fuck anyone else. In so many words.

 

And etc, etc, etc

 

Thus giving us the "Face Winning the ME" moment that we all want, or Vince wants.

 

Couple of bonuses - both guys refreshed, Cena as a cocky heel, HHH as a face.

When HHH wins at Mania, he has a whole series of heels to go through (Masters, Carlito, Shelton), before they do the inevitable rematch

 

Just saying

[Hawk 34 0]

The chance to turn Cena heel and for it to have any valuable impact was surrendered months ago.

 

Triple H, aside from his brief DX stint and his heavily shoved push in 2002 coming off the injury has never worked as a face and there's a reason for it. He isn't a good face. He knows this and likes it that way, he'd be very hard pressed to turn face, especially since because he refuses to allow, Raw has no other credible top heels anymore. They neutered Edge, so that's out of the question.

 

Cena turning heel now just reeks of desperate booking.

[2GOLD 0]

HHH is a horrible face and he is a master of being the heel. Hell, his face alone makes him into a villian of epic levels. Cena wasn't that good as a heel since the crowd starts to like him when he's allowed to unleash his heel raps.

 

They are better off just letting the heel win the match and let him remain a heel. Plus after his big interview of staying Angle didn't know how to be a heel and he does, I doubt he turns face and proves himself wrong.

[hyperchord24 0]

I've said this before and I'll say it again here. When HHH whips out the sledgehammer to beat the crap out of Cena (and you know somewhere during their feud, he will), the crowd will absolutely LOVE HHH for it. He will be the face going into wrestlemania, and Cena will be the heel. There is NO getting around it.

 

Just look at last night. Their feud is already tanking. Cena's starting to get booed again.

 

After all HHH has done, the fans will not buy Cena overcoming the odds to beat the monster HHH.

[Dark Age 0]

Triple H the future of Raw you say

[Guest Desperate Housewife]

Forseeable future, anyway

[Guest Dr Stupid]

I'm interested to see this HHH that you speak of. If he is the future of the company, then he must be pretty impressive. I just wonder why i haven't seen him before.

Well much better him, than some stale, played out heel like Edge. Man, he had his chance in the spotlight. It's now time for him to move aside and put over some of the newer talent like this HHH fellow........blah blah blah..........

 

 

 

This double heel turn is not gonna happen. After spending the better part of a year trying to keep Cena as the ultimate babyface, they're not gonna just give up now. Plus HHH is such a bad face.

[haws bah gawd 0]

I've said this before and I'll say it again here. When HHH whips out the sledgehammer to beat the crap out of Cena (and you know somewhere during their feud, he will), the crowd will absolutely LOVE HHH for it. He will be the face going into wrestlemania, and Cena will be the heel. There is NO getting around it.

 

Just look at last night. Their feud is already tanking. Cena's starting to get booed again.

 

After all HHH has done, the fans will not buy Cena overcoming the odds to beat the monster HHH.

 

Agreed 100%. Cena is the 'pretty boy' that's loved by the teenager/female demographic of WWE. HHH is the smart, egotistical heel that most other casual fans (Males 19-34, etc.) look up to, and respect. This is why you hear HHH getting more cheers than boos most of the time. Even when he pinned RVD last night, he got a decent pop from the crowd. Remember when HHH was feuding with Eugene, and he went the "sick bastard route" and beat the holy fuck out of William Regal in some hotel room? That's the HHH I want to see. The moment HHH shows his sledgehammer, the crowds will love the guy and we will have a very interesting Wrestlemania.

 

Of course, we could have a moment of confusion, where HHH may actually get BOOED against Cena. Then he can brag on and on about, "see, I told you Kurt Angle didn't know how to work as a heel".

[Guest Dam(o)nYankees]

Cena is already getting booed. Its going to be a double turn without being a double turn.

[hyperchord24 0]

Cena is already getting booed. Its going to be a double turn without being a double turn.

So if Cena is Steph's creation, and HHH can't even garner him a babyface reaction, that would make for some interesting pillow talk . . .

[Vyce 0]

Cena was booed out of the building by the live crowd, particularly when he was with HHH, even though HHH tried to heel and back off after the show went off the air. Cena did a promo after that and people booed him even then. - credit WO

 

Hey Hunter, you obviously don't know how to play heel.

[hyperchord24 0]

Cena was booed out of the building by the live crowd, particularly when he was with HHH, even though HHH tried to heel and back off after the show went off the air. Cena did a promo after that and people booed him even then. - credit WO

 

Hey Hunter, you obviously don't know how to play heel.

When was this? I think I remember reading this a while back.

[CanadianChick 0]

I was scanning through other wrestling boards, and news sites, and someone raised the possibility of a double turn before Wrestlemania, face HHH vs. heel John Cena.

 

The more I think of, what an awesome idea.

 

Say (and this is real fantasy booking), HHH comes out and announces that he's cool with Cena - and wants an epic, "Big-Time" match at Wrestlemania - the two of them being the future of Raw, showing the whole world what the WWE is about. Cena says fine. Maybe they take on Big Show and Van Dam later on that night.

 

What if Cena viciously beats the crap out of HHH and declares, no, Mania will be his moment and fuck anyone else. In so many words.

 

And etc, etc, etc

 

Thus giving us the "Face Winning the ME" moment that we all want, or Vince wants.

 

Couple of bonuses - both guys refreshed, Cena as a cocky heel, HHH as a face.

When HHH wins at Mania, he has a whole series of heels to go through (Masters, Carlito, Shelton), before they do the inevitable rematch

 

Just saying

 

 

Excellent. It's a current dream of mine for HHH to be face at the same time and on the same roster as RVD. It'll make me giggle.

 

But time to dissect your idea:

Why is Triple H cool with Cena? Why is Triple H suddenly changing his character 180 degrees and being "cool" with Cena?

 

Why would they be taking on two faces in a tag match?

 

Why wouldn't Cena be cheered for beating up Triple H? By golly, I thought Triple H was the most over heel on the roster! Surely a half assed face turn that night wouldn't change that and the fans would just love the number one bad guy getting beat up, right?

[Bruce Blank 0]

Cena was booed out of the building by the live crowd, particularly when he was with HHH, even though HHH tried to heel and back off after the show went off the air. Cena did a promo after that and people booed him even then. - credit WO

 

Hey Hunter, you obviously don't know how to play heel.

When was this? I think I remember reading this a while back.

That would be HHH's comments on why Cena was booed against Chris Jericho & Kurt Angle - they just didn't know how to play heel well enough to get Cena cheered, it was 110% THEIR fault (Not Cena, not WWE booking, not fans having an IQ over 60 - but Jericho & Angle's fault)

 

so now it's HHH's fault

 

fire his ass

[Promoter 0]

The double turn I would have to agree is out the window. They had their chance and didn't do it when all logic stated otherwise. HHH wants to believe he is the supreme heel by having fans boo him over Cena for Mania and we will all laugh when we see HHH continue being the babyface. Yes, continue being the babyface because in a twisted way he is being booked that way accidently.

 

Cena had problems beating Angle until the Survivor Series where the fans wanted him to go over. Cena then gets booed at NYR. He then wins back the title from a surprise champion in Edge. Doesn't this seem like old HHH? Fans want the belt off the guy and they tease it only to put the title back on him.

 

Then we got HHH who has not received a title shot since losing to Batista in the HIAC. He returned to put some sense into Flair about being all happy about winning a secondary title. In some ways, HHH could be seen as a face for actually telling the truth that Flair as champion at all at this point is ridiculous for all parties. Then HHH goes into the Rumble match and is an ironman who loses out to Rey Mysterio in the end? Is this not babyface booking? He would have to win and screw Rey to get heel heat if they were doing proper booking imo. Then you get HHH going through another tournament style event to get the title shot. He is proclaiming to be the king of kings and wanting his belt back? Hell, the belt he is going for isn't even the belt he lost as he can't get his old title back because it's on smackdown, so in some ways he was screwed. Is this not traditional babyface booking for WrestleMania? I just want to see how HHH plans to stay heel in all of this after how they have built this up. The screwed up this whole thing since October when the Angle/Cena feud started and HHH returned from his vacation. They should have done the double turn to build to this match already.

[Downhome 0]

HHH will soon beat up Maria (as well as being a wink to the fans who know about him putting down CM Punk), hire Daivari as his manager, state that he does not like the USA or it's troops, put down black people, and will say that he wants to defeat Jesus Christ.

 

Turning Cena heel would not reek of desperate booking anymore than everything else that they've done to try and keep him a face.

 

I don't want to see the double turn anymore because I want to see the Cena experiment explode on the biggest stage of the year. It would be worth of Wrestlemania to me just to see him get booed out of the building unlike ever before, while the fans go crazy for the stuff that HHH does to him.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

I'll be amazed if Cena retains at Mania at this point.

[Promoter 0]

I wouldn't be amazed. Look how they have built this match. It would only make sense for them to have Cena retain and celebrate with Maria over HHH. Downhome, I kind of want to see how this all will play out myself. This is why I wanted the match to happen. Edge in the title match would be a foregone conclusion, but how they are booking Cena is quite strange. Next thing we know, we see Stephanie returning to tv and siding with HHH in this feud to help garner heel heat for HHH. They are lucky this match is not going to take place in MSG or SkyDome that's for sure. However, Chicago is similar, so it's going to get nasty. Now, the question is will it be something like Golberg/Brock at Mania XX for this title match in terms of heat and the crowd screwing up the match?

[Angle-plex 0]

I want to see Orton get an apathetic reaction at WrestleMania. I want to see the Cena/Hunter match get shit on like Brock/Goldberg. Seeing the crowd go completely against WWE is great. WWE Fans vs WWE's desire to push Cena/Orton was the feud of the year last year as far as I'm concerned. A billion times more entertaining than Angle/Cena.

 

Hunter's going to be pedigreeing Maria soon though, you can count on that.

[Promoter 0]

Damn, I forgot about Orton. He'll get his boos though I think for winning like he should. It's just that if it goes on last it will get ugly. Then we got to consider Vince/HBK perhaps finishing the show. That could be another trainwreck waiting to happen. As I said before "WE WANT BRET" is just going be thunderous in the building and fans may get another "Eddie" situation like last sunday where they don't get what they want. The more I think about this, the more I realize wwe better hope they don't ruin Mania's image this year.

[Si82 0]

Man, this years Wrestlemania has the potential to be a real trainwreck. I'd love to see the crowd shit all over it. That would be worth the money.

[EricMM 0]

I wonder if we'll see Maria get pedigreed...

 

...off the top rope!

[Downhome 0]

I want to see Orton get an apathetic reaction at WrestleMania. I want to see the Cena/Hunter match get shit on like Brock/Goldberg. Seeing the crowd go completely against WWE is great. WWE Fans vs WWE's desire to push Cena/Orton was the feud of the year last year as far as I'm concerned. A billion times more entertaining than Angle/Cena.

 

Hunter's going to be pedigreeing Maria soon though, you can count on that.

 

 

How sad is it that the only real reason that Wrestlemania is interesting this year, is because of how horrible it could be? Heck, the only things I'm looking forward to as of right now is how the fans will react towards certain things:

 

-Cena being booed out of the building, and the fans cheering HHH for kicking his ass.

 

-The reaction towards Orton with the fans just not giving a shit, even more so now that I hear that it's all but confirmed that Rey will be in the match also.

 

-How the fans will react towards the HBK/Vince match or angle, when Bret Hart doesn't actually come out to get involved at all.

[Dangerous A 0]

The reaction towards Orton with the fans just not giving a shit, even more so now that I hear that it's all but confirmed that Rey will be in the match also.

 

I think they almost have to have Rey in there to win the belt at WM. They very well can't have 2 heels (HHH and Orton) wrapping up to end Mania. WM needs that one feel good moment and Rey is it. Too bad that is already tarnished because of the Eddie stuff. Still, if they can put all their energy the next 5 weeks into this being about Rey and not about Eddie, then perhaps this thing can be salvaged.

 

 

How the fans will react towards the HBK/Vince match or angle, when Bret Hart doesn't actually come out to get involved at all.

 

Bait and switch with Bret Hart again? This is par for the course with WWE. They haven't teased Bret though.

[Downhome 0]

Bait and switch with Bret Hart again? This is par for the course with WWE. They haven't teased Bret though.

 

They didn't flat out say Bret Hart would be at SS either, but many fans thought it was going to happen. It's the same deal here, only this time they keep saying over and over again that he's going to be in the same city, being inducted into the Hall of Fame. You know good and well that the second HBK/Vince starts, the fans will be chanting for, and expecting, Bret Hart.

 

I can see it now - the Rey/Angle/Orton match starts off with Rey and Angle double teaming Orton as soon as the bell rings and continues to do so for about five or ten minutes, climaxing with them doing a huge move through the announcers table or some sort of spot where Rey does a springboard leg drop to the back of Orton's neck while Angle has Orton in the ankle lock.

 

All of that leads to some sort of injury angle, leaving Orton either at ringside for the next good while, or with him being stretchered out to the backstage area. This would make sense, since Rey and Angle hate Orton for all that he has done over the past few weeks, so why wouldn't they try to do something like that?

 

With Orton out of the picture, Rey and Angle look at one another, shake hands, and start going at it like we know that they can do, putting on a fantastic match. Let's say they continue at it, just those two, for about twenty minutes or so.

 

Sooner or later, after an accidental ref bump, they lay each other out. At this point, Orton either jumps up off of the ringside mat or runs back down to the ring from the backstage area, does the RKO to Angle and tosses him out of the ring, then, with Rey still woozy, beats up on him for a minute or two, and then does the RKO to him with Angle out on the outside, the ref is up by this point, and he covers Rey for the 1-2-3, winning the title.

 

Just try and tell me you can't see them pulling something like that, I dare ya.

[Guest Dam(o)nYankees]

Damn, I forgot about Orton. He'll get his boos though I think for winning like he should. It's just that if it goes on last it will get ugly. Then we got to consider Vince/HBK perhaps finishing the show. That could be another trainwreck waiting to happen. As I said before "WE WANT BRET" is just going be thunderous in the building and fans may get another "Eddie" situation like last sunday where they don't get what they want. The more I think about this, the more I realize wwe better hope they don't ruin Mania's image this year.

He hasn't been getting his boos for quite some time. You could argue since the initial shoulder injury last year. They did everything they could, and he was still heatless after that rey match.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

What would you guys do to try to "save Cena" so to speak?

[LivingLegendGaryColeman 0]

I think they almost have to have Rey in there to win the belt at WM. They very well can't have 2 heels (HHH and Orton) wrapping up to end Mania. WM needs that one feel good moment and Rey is it. Too bad that is already tarnished because of the Eddie stuff. Still, if they can put all their energy the next 5 weeks into this being about Rey and not about Eddie, then perhaps this thing can be salvaged.

 

I agree completely, but I think the way things have been going lately, they will ruin it by having Rey "turn against Eddie" rather than just dropping it.

[Guest Dam(o)nYankees]

What would you guys do to try to "save Cena" so to speak?

Have Hunter obliterate him at Mania (Hey, I don't want HHH in that match either, but we're stuck with it, and Cena is just such a disaster as top face that he has to lose and stay out of the title scene for a long time) and then again the next night on Raw, bloodying him. Take him off TV for a long-ish time (like 6 weeks) and have him return as a pissed off heel without the Vanilla Ice shit who is furious with the top faces for not saving him from the HHH beat down on Raw.

[Da Maintenance Man 0]

HHH will soon beat up Maria (as well as being a wink to the fans who know about him putting down CM Punk), hire Daivari as his manager, state that he does not like the USA or it's troops, put down black people, and will say that he wants to defeat Jesus Christ.

 

Turning Cena heel would not reek of desperate booking anymore than everything else that they've done to try and keep him a face.

 

I don't want to see the double turn anymore because I want to see the Cena experiment explode on the biggest stage of the year. It would be worth of Wrestlemania to me just to see him get booed out of the building unlike ever before, while the fans go crazy for the stuff that HHH does to him.

 

I dunno, from what I've seen/remember Chicago crowds are generally pretty hot & less smarky. There's a chance they might not boo Cena. His crowd reactions have been pretty inconsistent over the past few weeks/months anyway.

 

But really, even though this WM card doesn't really look too good there's a chance that it could be decent still. There have been some cards in the past which, didn't look good on paper but ended up delivering.