The OAO Legend of Zelda Twilight Princess Thread

[DrVenkman PhD 0]

Penn and Teller: Smoke and Mirrors had a level that lasted 8 hours driving a bus down a highway. Or would have, if it came out.

 

Kingdom Hearts II could have probably trimmed 3 hours (Roxas) and been even better.

 

And so on.

[AndrewTS 0]

Smoke and Mirrors did come out, though (maybe it didn't come out in Canada?). OMG, I remember reading about Desert Bus. It was a pretty much completely straight road, but it would have slight changes in direction now and then, so that if you did something like tape the controller down, you'd end up going off the road and have to start over.

 

The Sega CD had lots of games that seemed to exist only as torture devices.

[DrVenkman PhD 0]

Wiki says "unreleased".

 

"Penn & Teller's Smoke and Mirrors is an unreleased video game planned for release initially on the Sega CD in April 1995 and to be followed by PC, 3DO versions later that year. The game starred the comedy-magician duo Penn & Teller. The developer Absolute Entertainment went out of business before they could release the game"

 

"The game re-surfaced years later when Frank Cifaldi, editor of Lost Levels, a website dedicated to unreleased video games, received a copy of the game from a reviewer who had covered it years ago. The game is composed of several minigames and an adventure/platform game starring Penn & Teller. All the minigames were made for the sole purpose of enabling the owner of the game to fool their friends (except for the Desert Bus minigame, obstensibly a joke on the owner himself) by many different means"

 

"The bus contains no passengers, and there is no scenery or other cars on the road. The bus veers to the right slightly; as a result, it is impossible to tape down a button to go do something else and have the game end properly. If the bus veers off the road it will stall and be towed back to Tucson, also in real time. If the player makes it to Las Vegas, they will score exactly one point. The player then gets the option to make the return trip to Tucson—for another point (a decision they must make in a few seconds or the game ends). Players may continue to make trips and score points as long as their endurance holds out. Some players who have completed the trip have also noted that, although the scenery never changes, a bug splats on the windscreen over halfway through the first trip, and on the return trip the light does fade, with differences at dusk, and later a pitch black road where the player is guided only with headlights."

 

So, yeah, anyway, game length is overrated.

[AndrewTS 0]

Jeremy Parish basically believes the hype on the game length:

 

http://www.toastyfrog.com/verbalspew/pivot...php?id=222#comm

 

Also--get those component cables if you have a choice. Sadly, I don't.

[World's Worst Man 0]

I've decided to buy a Wii early, and get that version of TP. Mostly because EB Games is running a deal where you can trade in 3 games, and get TP for free. I also want to trade in my gamecube before it goes down even further in value.

 

Component cables are a must. I can barely stand composite video anymore, as it looks like absolute crap. It's just disappointing that the console developers don't include component cables as standard in their console bundles. I guess they like to charge $30-40 for cables that cost them about $2.

[AndrewTS 0]

Since we're on that topic, some opinions on the following, please?:

 

I'm currently gaming on an 8-year old 19" SDTV that only has RF input. That's wired to a game selector switch. So compared to even enhanced def, my games surely look like ass compared to what they could be.

 

However, the thought of paying any more than $300 for a new TV kills me.

 

I've seen a lot of cheap TVs that have support for component cables, but are CRTs. I could easily get a good sized one for less than $200. Usually on display the picture doesn't seem to be too great tho--also it seems a lot of the time they are connected up with standard RF cables.

 

Also, some time, near or distant future, I will either get a 360 or PS3. Stuff like Assassin's Creed make it seem very tempting.

 

A new TV will surely last me many years, but should I jump and get one of those CRTs with component support? I've noticed some of the LCDs are getting rather affordable if you don't mind a smaller set, but I've heard about problems with motion-blurring, which could be a problem for gaming. Yet, if the ones with component cables are simply a case of "yeah, it'll work, but you won't notice any difference," maybe it's best I wait.

 

Thoughts?

 

EDIT: The wii also is supposed to support VGA--so I suppose that would be a good option as well to consider.

[AndrewTS 0]

Kotaku is reporting that Best Buy has apparently recieved TP early and are selling it:

 

http://kotaku.com/gaming/wii/zelda-twiligh...-now-215083.php

 

It *would* have to be Best Buy (which I have none of nearby).

[World's Worst Man 0]

Pretty much every newish LCD TV or computer monitor won't have problems with motion blurring anymore. 8ms is the standard refresh time, and even playing fast paced PC FPS games, I see very little or no motion blurring at all.

 

If cost is an issue, I'd say the best bet would be an HD CRT. The only problems with those is how god damned heavy they are (I've seen 32" TVs weigh around 160 pounds). I say HD because if you're gonna get a PS3 and 360, you'll probably want the 720p support, as 480p (which is EDTV) isn't much of a big deal compared to 720p or 1080i. Obviously an LCD is the best bet (or plasma if cost wasn't an issue and you wanted a big TV), but you'd have to settle for a significantly smaller screen due to the higher prices for that technology.

[AndrewTS 0]

What actually makes an HD set "HD"? Is it HD if it supports component/s-video/HDMI, etc, or is there something else?

 

And 480p is going to be worlds better than what I'm getting now, but I assume they detail what the set can and can't do on the specs.

[World's Worst Man 0]

An HD set would support at least 720p. Then there are EDTVs that support 480p but nothing more.

[AndrewTS 0]

So, Progressive Scan would be either one, but 720+ is HD?

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

Sucks that the cables are only available online. Im hesitant to order the cables now without knowing if I'll have a W!! anytime soon or not as Im still really on the fence about getting one anytime soon..

 

You can get a brand new CRT HD TV set anywhere now for $500 (30 inches with a built in tuner), and as long as you're willing to deal with the hefty nature of it, its the best overal picture and will give you the benefits of an HDTV picture wise without having to spend the extra $500+ to get the benefits of the HDTV picture and space saving qualities of LCD/Plasma. Make sure you get one with multiple component inputs (mine has 2) and at least one HDMI input (Mine had a DVI so I had to buy a DVI-HDMI cable) since HDMI is the new standard. CRT sets by the way are all 1080i native.

 

Component cables can run HD signals as long as the device that you're running the HD from supports it. I have my HDTivo running on Component inputs for example so that my upconverting DVD player can run over the DVI port because it doesn't support upconverting over the component inputs.

[World's Worst Man 0]

Progressive scan in 640x480, aka 480p, yea. Pretty sure every HDTV set supports the standard resolutions below the HD ones.

 

If you're familiar with PC games, just imagine the difference between a game running at 640x480 (480p) and 1280x720 (720p), and you'll realize that it's totally worth being able to play console games in 720p. You could even go one further and get a TV that supports 1080p, then you're looking at a resolution of 1920x1080, although that will cost quite a chunk of change

[AndrewTS 0]

Okay, that clears things up a bit for me.

 

Actually, word is now that Nintendo will put the component cables in stores--major retailers will get them first but they're also available online. MSRP is $29.99. Considering the massive profits they'd make per cable, and the fact that the cables always sold out when Nintendo sold the GC ones online, it makes sense they should offer them more easily.

[World's Worst Man 0]

There are also those universal cables that EB Games and other places carry. The latest ones I saw supported PS2/XBox/360, so maybe they'll eventually end up making ones that work with the Wii as well. They only cost $14.99 CDN, so they're a much better deal than the Nintendo/Sony specific cables.

[AndrewTS 0]

What kind of worries me is that Nintendo has been mum on the VGA front, although it was confirmed earlier. VGA would be a fine substitute temporarily until the price becomes better / the current TV dies. There's also Component to VGA connectors out there too, correct?

[World's Worst Man 0]

I don't know, but just straight VGA is better than component and you don't have to worry about whether the cable will allow you to use 480p or 720p or anything, because there is no real limit.

[Michrome 0]

Hey, I got a quick question that I'm sure has been answered somewhere in this huge thread, but I don't have the time to scour...is the gamecube version of this game also being released at the same time? Thanks.

[Guest Hotbutter Spoontoaster]

Tuesday, December 12th for the GameCube.

[AndrewTS 0]

1up's review for the game is in.

 

It's good; VERY good.

 

http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3155329

 

Know your Links

[Invictus 0]

Shockingly, Zelda received an 8.8 from Gamespot. Seriously, that is mind-blowing, and then I saw who did the review. Jeff Gerstmann. So I'm not too surprised now, as he's had a serious hate on the Wii ever since it was announced (especially since it was revealed it would be graphically underpowered compared to the other systems), and has generally a lot of apathetic/smart-alecky comments about it when he's in any videos with the Wii.

 

But, there you go, the streak has been ended by him. He was also the one who rated Excite Truck 6.8 when IGN rated it an 8.0.

 

http://www.gamespot.com/events/wiilaunch/s...slot&page=1

 

Fanboy's on all the various Zelda/Wii messageboards are going to berserk extremes right now, which is extremely entertaining, even if I can sympathize with their opinions.

[AndrewTS 0]

Gamespot is literally the only major place complaining about the controls. I wouldn't put any stock at all in that reviewer's opinion.

 

Even That Joystiq Douchebag Who Was Fired, who hated on the Wii bigtime, is a believer now and loves Twlight Princess despite not really being into the older games at all.

 

"Fanboy's on all the various Zelda/Wii messageboards are going to berserk extremes right now, which is extremely entertaining, even if I can sympathize with their opinions."

 

It's the internets' job to be retarded.

 

Game Informer gave Elite Beat Agents 6.5. Some publications/reviewers just do not deserve to be paid attention to.

[devo 0]

I got a call from EB saying my copy would be in tomorrow night. Still not sure if I'll be able to get a Wii at launch (shouldn't be that hard, really) but at least I know I'll have Zelda.

[AndrewTS 0]

I got the call too, which makes no sense, because the hard street date is the 19th. Zelda and excite truck are basically the only titles you can't buy right now.

 

I'll call up tomorrow and check if I can buy it, though.

[Invictus 0]

IGN gives it a 9.5.

 

http://wii.ign.com/articles/746/746691p1.html

[bobobrazil1984 0]

i just took a trip to a forum or two, its highly amusing seeing fanboys just freak out and go crazy because someone dared give it a good review instead of a great one.

 

anyways reading the review it doesn't seem so over the top, but he's clearly not onboard with the controls, and you kind of sense that he feels like the series is getting a little stale with the same kinda gameplay. eh.

[World's Worst Man 0]

The content of the review is what counts. Some small site gave FFXII an 8/10, but the observations that were made were spot on. And I've seen other reviews that will give a game a high score despite not actually explaining why, or they mention things that aren't even really true. But anyway, if the Gamespot review of TP was low due to the controls, I'd imagine the Gamecube review will be better. We'll see.

[El Psycho Diablo 0]

The bitching over the 8.8 makes me snicker.

 

Like that's such a bad score for a game that's been held back so long and ported to a new system.

[Downhome 0]

I got it in the mail today, and have already read through the instruction boolet. I can't wait to actually get a Wii now.

[bobobrazil1984 0]

The content of the review is what counts. Some small site gave FFXII an 8/10, but the observations that were made were spot on. And I've seen other reviews that will give a game a high score despite not actually explaining why, or they mention things that aren't even really true. But anyway, if the Gamespot review of TP was low due to the controls, I'd imagine the Gamecube review will be better. We'll see.

 

From what i read, the main complaints were a) the control, b) sound across the board (music, SFX, voice acting, etc), and c) lack of innovation/new stuff. But he also made it a point to mention that if someone just loves all the previous zelda games and is looking for more of the same, they'll love this game.

 

The sound stuff is probably the only one that piques my interest b/c between the Wii-mote and the horsepower/graphics discussion across the internet, you rarely hear anything relating to sound about Wii. I noticed though, that the IGN review actually complains about some of the same things down in their categorical round-up at the end of the review, ie sound, music, and graphics/textures.