V for Vendetta

[Guest fanofcoils]

Actually both being graphics novels are a major thing but maybe not as major as you think.

 

Both are very dark and very gorey, those are two big similarities right there. Of course you may lamely point out several differences of how they differ being dark or how one has more violence than the other but that isn't the point.

 

The girl, obviously I meant it that in both films "a girl" takes on a pretty major role. This is a fairly big thing that both movies have in common. And I'm referring to "Blondie" in Sin City, because there were many "girls".

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Just throw the book at 'em already, Judge!

[Justice 0]

Actually both being graphics novels are a major thing but maybe not as major as you think.

 

No, it's not. Not at all, actually. It's just the same as getting your content from a book or a TV series.

 

Perhaps you could care to explain how it is important, because no one seems to agree with you on that.

 

Both are very dark and very gorey, those are two big similarities right there. Of course you may lamely point out several differences of how they differ being dark or how one has more violence than the other but that isn't the point.

 

Indeed. Because, as we all know, if something is violent, is obviously similar. Let's get A Clockwork Orange together with The Last Boy Scout, because they are so obviously similar! I mean, they're both DARK and VIOLENT.

 

Whether or not something has violence doesn't mean shit to a movie. Whether or not it's 'dark' doesn't mean shit to a movie. The reason behind it, the reason driving the violence and the darkness... now THAT's what you look at.

 

The girl, obviously I meant it that in both films "a girl" takes on a pretty major role. This is a fairly big thing that both movies have in common. And I'm referring to "Blondie" in Sin City, because there were many "girls".

 

Ironically enough, Blondie's role isn't big at all. She's simply a Deus Ex Machina for Marv to go around killing people. What major role or responsibility does she assume in comparison to Evey?

 

And there were multiple 'girls' in Sin CIty, you stupid fuck. It's not just Blondie (The most static one of all). That's where your comparison fails. And the relationships are completely different. The Wizard of Oz has "a girl" take on a pretty major role. I suppose we should group that one with those two, right?

[Guest fanofcoils]

Both being graphic novels can be considered a major thing in both being similar, in fact I believe someone else in this thread said they were similar in that way.

 

If two things are gorey, they can be considered similar. When most people think of Sin City and V for Vendetta they think of dark violent movies with "anti heros".

 

Blondie did have a big role in being the thing that drives Marv.

 

There were multiple girls in Sin City? That is exactly what I said..

 

Both movies have a girl that is attached with one of the main characters, that could be considered a relatively big similarity. Obviously Portman with Hugo Weaving and 1 or 2 of the girls in Sin City with 1 or 2 of the main characters in it.

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Both being graphic novels can be considered a major thing in both being similar, in fact I believe someone else in this thread said they were similar in that way.

 

BUT HOW DOES IT MAKE THEM SIMILAR? Jesus, explain it. You talk about my 'lame examples' but you can't tell me how this links them together in any important way.

 

If two things are gorey, they can be considered similar. When most people think of Sin City and V for Vendetta they think of dark violent movies with "anti heros".

 

And so does The Last Boy Scout. But I don't see anyone making comparisons there, do you? Gorey can be considered similar, if it's gorey for the same purpose. Friday the 13th and Halloween are gorey in the same way and for the same purpose. V for Vendetta is hardly similar to Sin City for the purposes of gore.

 

So far, of all the people I've talked to about the movie, you are the first associate it with Sin City. In fact, I mentioned your claims to a few people and they didn't understand what the hell you were talking about.

 

Blondie did have a big role in being the thing that drives Marv.

 

That's not Goldie taking on a role. That's Blondie acting as a plot device. Her and Evey are incomparable, as Evey is able to act, change, and do things, while Goldie doesn't actually do anything; Marv does it all. Evey changes, Goldie never does BECAUSE SHE'S FUCKING DEAD. God, what stupidity.

 

There were multiple girls in Sin City? That is exactly what I said..

 

And yet you chose the worst choice of them all. Pehaps the stupidity of using 'Goldie' as someone filling a role blinded me to your previous statement.

 

Both movies have a girl that is attached with one of the main characters, that could be considered a relatively big similarity. Obviously Portman with Hugo Weaving and 1 or 2 of the girls in Sin City with 1 or 2 of the main characters in it.

 

You know, Liv Tyler is attached to Bruce Willis and Ben Afflack in Armageddon. I suppose that makes those two a 'clone', eh? Overusing generalized plot points does not a 'clone' make.

 

Alright, whatever. Give up. You have forced me to recognize the logic of your incredible argument. I'll never question your encyclopedic knowledge again, especially when it comes to definitions.

 

Oh, and those are just the links to my variations of those words. You know, because not everything means what it should with me!

Edited March 28, 2006 by Justice

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EDIT: Nevermind, Justice's got this one.

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Misusing 'Exaggerating' it is like misusing the word 'literally.'

 

Yeah, I accidentally cut some of my text there that so it made no sense. I meant to say:

 

'exaggerating' (I would prefer the word misusing the word 'clone' is like 'exaggerating' the word 'literally', it makes the use of the word complete incorrect.

 

And while adapting from a comic book about superheroes may make a movies similar, the graphic novels V and the 3 Sin City books 'Sin City' are taken from are almost polar opposites.

 

V is about a mad master manipulator. He is verbose, articulate and works in the shadows. He takes in a young girl and irrevokably changes her life to see the world as he does, and fights to take down an entire corrupt government. He is truly a morally ambivalent character.

 

Sin City is about a bunch of tough guys, who get by sheerly on their guts, toughness and cleverness. They are probably the most visual, least wordy comics I've read. However, the main characters all follow an iron-clad code of ethics that definitely make them heroes. You never really wonder if they're in the right like you do with V.

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GOLDIE DAMNIT

[Justice 0]

... Oops. I knew something was wrong with that.

[Guest fanofcoils]

BUT HOW <do the graphic novels> MAKE <the movies> SIMILAR? Jesus, explain it. You talk about my 'lame examples' but you can't tell me how this links them together in any important way.

 

While you may be right in the graphic novel not affecting the actual film because the "director can do what he wants", both of them being graphic novels IS a similarity.

 

If two things are gorey, they can be considered similar. When most people think of Sin City and V for Vendetta they think of dark violent movies with "anti heros".

 

And so does The Last Boy Scout. But I don't see anyone making comparisons there, do you? Gorey can be considered similar, if it's gorey for the same purpose. Friday the 13th and Halloween are gorey in the same way and for the same purpose. V for Vendetta is hardly similar to Sin City for the purposes of gore.

 

So far, of all the people I've talked to about the movie, you are the first associate it with Sin City. In fact, I mentioned your claims to a few people and they didn't understand what the hell you were talking about.

 

Both V for Vendetta and Sin City are gorey, for whatever purpose the gore has in the film is an afterthought compared to the fact that they are both gory. Sin City may not be the best comparison for V for Vendetta but it is one that I came up with on the top of my head in like 5 seconds or so (though I still found the two movies to be a decent comparison), perhaps if I spent more or somewhat more time than like "5 seconds" I could come up with a better comparison than Sin City and V for Vendetta.

 

Blondie did have a big role in being the thing that drives Marv.

 

That's not Blondie taking on a role. That's Blondie acting as a plot device. Her and Evey are incomparable, as Evey is able to act, change, and do things, while Blondie doesn't actually do anything; Marv does it all. Evey changes, Blondie never does BECAUSE SHE'S FUCKING DEAD. God, what stupidity.

 

While "Goldie" is dead, she still drives the Marv character. Both Goldie and Evey are important to their movies, however I'm sure you can say Evey is more important.

 

There were multiple girls in Sin City? That is exactly what I said..

 

And yet you chose the worst choice of them all.

 

Goldie is a good choice even if she may not be as important as another girl or two in the movie, though I don't remember much about the other girls (it has been a year since I have seen Sin City). And possibly since I remember Goldie over the other girls, perhaps she was more important than them.

 

Both movies have a girl that is attached with one of the main characters, that could be considered a relatively big similarity. Obviously Portman with Hugo Weaving and 1 or 2 of the girls in Sin City with 1 or 2 of the main characters in it.

 

You know, Liv Tyler is attached to Bruce Willis and Ben Afflack in Armageddon. I suppose that makes those two a 'clone', eh?

 

If you want to exaggerate, yes in a way because of that, Willis and Affleck can be considered "clones".

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While you may be right in the graphic novel not affecting the actual film because the "director can do what he wants", both of them being graphic novels IS a similarity.

 

And just as I said, it's SUPERFICIAL AT BEST. So it's not an accurate judge of the movie to call it a 'clone' because they are both graphic novels. End of subject.

 

Both V for Vendetta and Sin City are gorey, for whatever purpose the gore has in the film is an afterthought compared to the fact that they are both gory. Sin City may not be the best comparison for V for Vendetta but it is one that I came up with on the top of my head in like 5 seconds or so (though I still found the two movies to be a decent comparison), perhaps if I spent more or somewhat more time than like "5 seconds" I could come up with a better comparison than Sin City and V for Vendetta.

 

No, it's not. You're an idiot. See, this is where you're 'comparison' is so absurd. Anything can have violence. Again, Saving Private Ryan and Full Metal Jacket are two war movies, but the differences in purpose and plot make it impossible to call them 'clones'.

 

While "Goldie" is dead, she still drives the Marv character. Both Goldie and Evey are important to their movies, however I'm sure you can say Evey is more important.

 

I can say Evey is more important because, as a character, she is. Goldie is an object. She's nothing more.

Her sister

might be a slightly more valid comparison, but there aren't any women in Sin City that compare with Evey characterwise. Hell, there's not much similarity at all except that I'm reasonably sure they're all women.

 

Goldie is a good choice even if she may not be as important as another girl or two in the movie, though I don't remember much about the other girls (it has been a year since I have seen Sin City). And possibly since I remember Goldie over the other girls, perhaps she was more important than them.

 

Character-wise, Goldie is useless. She doesn't develop, she doesn't do anything. In terms of comparing her to Evey, no, she's completely useless, like the dead hooker she fucking is. Stop dragging her out because she is the worst choice for a character comparison because she technically isn't even a real fucking character. She's simply a Deus Ex Machina to get Marv to kill people. You could put a blow-up doll in her place and you wouldn't notice because she's not a real character.

 

If you want to exaggerate, yes in a way because of that, Willis and Affleck can be considered "clones".

 

DO YOU EVEN READ WHAT THE FUCK YOU WRITE?! You're using an invalid form of a word to draw a comparison between two completely different movies based on superficial similarities! JESUS CHRIST JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY.

[Guest fanofcoils]

While you may be right in the graphic novel not affecting the actual film because the "director can do what he wants", both of them being graphic novels IS a similarity.

 

And just as I said, it's SUPERFICIAL AT BEST. So it's not an accurate judge of the movie to call it a 'clone' because they are both graphic novels. End of subject.

 

Both movies are based on graphic novels, that is a similarity..

 

Both V for Vendetta and Sin City are gorey, for whatever purpose the gore has in the film is an afterthought compared to the fact that they are both gory. Sin City may not be the best comparison for V for Vendetta but it is one that I came up with on the top of my head in like 5 seconds or so (though I still found the two movies to be a decent comparison), perhaps if I spent more or somewhat more time than like "5 seconds" I could come up with a better comparison than Sin City and V for Vendetta.

 

No, it's not. You're an idiot. See, this is where you're 'comparison' is so absurd. Anything can have violence. Again, Saving Private Ryan and Full Metal Jacket are two war movies, but the differences in purpose and plot make it impossible to call them 'clones'.

 

Again when I say "clone" it doesn't mean they are IDENTICAL, just they are similar or VERY similar, you apparently don't know the meaning of exaggeration. Saving Private Ryan and Full Metal Jacket have enough in common in my mind for me to be able to exaggerate them in calling them "clones". Of course there are a lot of main things about them that are not in common like one taking place during World War II and the other taking place during Vietnam.

 

While "Goldie" is dead, she still drives the Marv character. Both Goldie and Evey are important to their movies, however I'm sure you can say Evey is more important.

 

I can say Evey is more important because, as a character, she is. Goldie is an object. She's nothing more.

Her sister

might be a slightly more valid comparison, but there aren't any women in Sin City that compare with Evey characterwise. Hell, there's not much similarity at all except that I'm reasonably sure they're all women.

 

Evey and Goldie are both girls that are important in their movies. That makes them similar.

 

Goldie is a good choice even if she may not be as important as another girl or two in the movie, though I don't remember much about the other girls (it has been a year since I have seen Sin City). And possibly since I remember Goldie over the other girls, perhaps she was more important than them.

 

Character-wise, Goldie is useless. She doesn't develop, she doesn't do anything. In terms of comparing her to Evey, no, she's completely useless, like the dead hooker she fucking is. Stop dragging her out because she is the worst choice for a character comparison because she technically isn't even a real fucking character. She's simply a Deus Ex Machina to get Marv to kill people. You could put a blow-up doll in her place and you wouldn't notice because she's not a real character.

 

Doesn't matter that she "isn't a character" she is an important "figure" or whatever you want to call it, regardless she plays an important role in Sin City.

 

If you want to exaggerate, yes in a way because of that, Willis and Affleck can be considered "clones".

 

DO YOU EVEN READ WHAT THE FUCK YOU WRITE?! You're using an invalid form of a word to draw a comparison between two completely different movies based on superficial similarities! JESUS CHRIST JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY.

 

I'm saying clone and i'm exaggerating, get it? Apparently you do not. And I do not know what you are talking about with the "two completely different movies" where in what I wrote it was only about ONE movie, Armageddon.

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Clone

 

Main Entry: 1clone

Pronunciation: 'klOn

Function: noun

Etymology: Greek klOn twig, slip; akin to Greek klan to break -- more at CLAST

1 a : the aggregate of the asexually produced progeny of an individual; also : a group of replicas of all or part of a macromolecule (as DNA or an antibody) b : an individual grown from a single somatic cell of its parent and genetically identical to it

2 : one that appears to be a copy of an original form <a clone of a personal computer>

You are not "exaggerating". You are COMPLETELY CHANGING THE DEFINITION OF THE GODDAMN WORD TO COVER FOR YOUR STUPIDITY.

[Guest fanofcoils]

How am I changing the definition of the word clone? Guess what genius, I'm not.

[Justice 0]

Everyone, just stop. He's just a stupid 6 ear old troll. Fuck 'em and get back to real discussion.

 

Move along... nothing to see here....

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You just have no conception of the phrase 'very similar'. God, I hope they ban you.

[Guest fanofcoils]

Everyone, just stop. He's just a stupid 6 ear old troll. Fuck 'em and get back to real discussion.

 

Move along... nothing to see here....

 

I see you have been proven wrong and have nothing left to say but nonsense.

[Guest fanofcoils]

You just have no conception of the phrase 'very similar'.

 

And how do I have no conception of the phrase "very similar"?

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Because you don't. Blondie and Evey are very similar?

 

One is, as a previous poster said, a deus ex Machina who drives the protaganist's actions. Evey shapes V, and changes him. She is an actual character in the movie, that changes V. He's already driven.

 

Ban.

[Guest fanofcoils]

I'm not sure if I ever said "Goldie and Evey are very similar" however I did say they are similar, which they are.

 

Besides the point if you "think" I made a bad or two points, I clearly made several good points in here and other threads which you are "no selling".

 

Goldie shapes and changes Marv regardless of her being a character or whatever you think she is. Her being dead/alive/character/"not a character"/whatever you think she is does not matter as I said, she "shapes and changes Marv".

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Man a good thread has been shitted on, where the mods at?

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I will drown fanofcoils in my magnifecent cock. I no longer give two tugs of a dead dog's dick about that troll. Carry on, you piece of shit.

[Justice 0]

Banned, bitch! w00ty! Can we get the mods to clean up the shit he caused so we can forever forget his involvement? You can definitely delete all my posts that are specifically in response to him.

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OH SHIT! We can talk about the movie!

 

I really liked this movie! No scene was wasted, the matrix knife scene was actually really cool. The previous action scenes with V were unsettling though, it definitely establishes him as a madman. (especially that close-up knifing of the kid at the station) As i said before, I think they'll have at least 10 minutes of scenes on the DVD.

 

V was a sick fuck, and that's what matters. The ends may justify the means, but his means are BRUTAL. He's charming as hell, but when push comes to shove, he's a madman. I thought he was definitely a grey area.

 

Just like Sin City.

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The film was much better than I thought it would be, although there were some pretty crappy scenes (V being humanized, the "kiss" with Evey), the good vastly outweighed the bad. Also Hugo Weaving was fantastic as V.

 

Thats not to say its on par with the source material, but honestly many of key points in the GN could never have made it to the movie.

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Yeah, the kiss was pretty corny. As I said, Evey debating unmasking V is SO much more effective, and will probably be in the Director's cut. It's a pretty essential scene they left out.

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That said, a really good adaptation, IMO.

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Yay for the banning!

 

I want to see this movie again.

 

Question: did you guys all get little survey's when you went to the movie? We went on opening night and they were handing out specific survey's about the movie for you to fill out afterwards (ie: favourite scenes, characters, etc).

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Yay for the banning!

 

I want to see this movie again.

 

Question: did you guys all get little survey's when you went to the movie? We went on opening night and they were handing out specific survey's about the movie for you to fill out afterwards (ie: favourite scenes, characters, etc).

 

 

Depends. Did you go to an IMAX showing? ME and my friends went to the local IMAX, and were given a survey that, they said, will decide the future of R-rated movies on the IMAX screen.

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I love IMAX, but the last time I went was the last Harry Potter movie. It was very good, but I started cramping up at the very end. Long movie.