NYU.

[Zack Malibu 0]

Sorry guys, but if he's gonna be one of the shit-stirrers between the Pit and TSM like Leena and Czech, he's not staying here. Personally, I don't want him back in the first place, because I find him to be a two faced fuck. Adam, you can gladly copy that verbatim, since I'm sure you do it with every other reaction I give when his name comes up. At least that's what I got from his post in feedback last week.

 

Tony, Eski, you have the angle building to AM with them and that's fine, but I'd like it to cut off there, that way you're not left in the cold for Anglemania. There's no way I'm keeping an asshat like that around, because the future problems are inevitable.

[Patty O'Green 0]

Timeout, youngblood! Patty isn't hip to you TSMer's lingo, so can you explain what exactly is the situation with leena, the pit, and czech. And can you explain who or what the pit and leena are? You can PM me if you want. Now, is it really so bad that you want him excluded from an e-fed because of it, dear?

[Stephen Joseph 0]

huh whats going on now?

[Tony149 0]

The plan all along was to end the Black T-Hoff/Stone storyline at AM, so you're safe there. But what's the deal with the Pit and TSM? Is NYU posting shit on you there or something?

[Patty O'Green 0]

Fuck man, the people need they answers!

 

EDIT: Isn't NYU's plan to stick around after AM?

 

EDIT: the above sentence made no sense!

Edited March 17, 2006 by Patty O'Green

[KingPK 0]

Who gives a shit what happens between The Pit and TSM? "Inter-board feuds" or whatever you want to call it are petty and stupid, so why harp on it when NYU is a damn good writer (from what I've read of him since coming back). Geez, it's just a goddamn e-fed and moronic, juvenile high-school "drama" between people should be rightfully mocked and laughed at.

[Tony149 0]

Isn't NYU's plan was to stick around after AM?

 

That's what I was told. That may or not be the case now. MLB wishes they had a boss like Zack Malibu. Never afraid to make a tough decision. Bonds would be blackballed right now.

[Zack Malibu 0]

It's stupid inter-board nonsense, which has no bearing on us. My main concern is that if he's supposedly turning over a "new leaf" and wants to be accepted back into the fold, he's not doing a good job showing it outside of these folders. It's not so much as what gets done as far as it is the trust involved in everything. He left us high and dry once before and threw things into a shitstorm, and I for one don't wanna see it go down again.

 

The Pit/TSM thing has nothing to do with our fed, but I figured I'd have to mention it so you guys knew exactly where this was coming from. He's basically still being an "anti-Zack flamebaiter" despite telling people such as Tony that he really wants to get along with me. I just don't like two-faced people in any aspect of life, internet, face to face, or what have you. That's my two cents.

[Adam 0]

*copies and pastes*

 

Seriously, Zack, I wouldn't feel compelled to let Rob know that you're talking shit about him if you just, oh, I don't know, stopped? Post it in HeldDown, where he can see it. I'm not the one playing the "I'm the boss here, so I say who's in and who's out" card. You are. This is an e-fed, not a business, not a corporation. An e-fed. A very successful e-fed. Rob was a big part of that a year ago, and he decided he'd had enough of the establishment that had seemingly taken over every show. That was his choice, just like its his choice to come back.

 

And you have absolutely no right to stop him coming back. None at all. You don't post shows anymore. PK does. You don't post PPV's anymore. Tony does, and I attempt to. If NYU wants to send something to me if I'm posting HeldDown or a Pay Per View, I'll put it in. If PK takes issue with NYU having something in the show, he has the right to leave it out. If he doesn't care that NYU has a segment, he has the right to leave it in.

 

You can't control all the content of the show, and you shouldn't be able to. You should only be able to control the content of your own characters. That is, when someone writes that your character is doing something. An example of how NOT to do this would be SJ's fucking awful attempts at making Axel the federation's Eric Bischoff.

 

I like you Zack, but I don't like the way you have handled this situation. You should be a leader, not a boss.

[King Cucaracha 0]

YYYYYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!

 

If we're gonna turn into Zack vs. Drek II or Zack vs. Adam, count me out guys.

 

An example of how NOT to do this would be SJ's fucking awful attempts at making Axel the federation's Eric Bischoff.

 

So write some Axel segments so people know how to use them. I had to ad-lib all my Axel/Leon segments and my segment with Axel and Bohemoth because there was virtually nothing to go on from two months of Axel as GM. I didn't even PM you for permission because I didn't know if you were active or not. How is SJ supposed to know how Axel as GM acts if I, the person who controlls 3/4 of The Upstarts and along with PK does ALL the work, don't know?

[Stephen Joseph 0]

Umm, yeah, I just , yeah,

 

What KC said, on all accounts.

[Zack Malibu 0]

*copies and pastes*

 

Seriously, Zack, I wouldn't feel compelled to let Rob know that you're talking shit about him if you just, oh, I don't know, stopped? Post it in HeldDown, where he can see it. I'm not the one playing the "I'm the boss here, so I say who's in and who's out" card. You are. This is an e-fed, not a business, not a corporation. An e-fed. A very successful e-fed. Rob was a big part of that a year ago, and he decided he'd had enough of the establishment that had seemingly taken over every show. That was his choice, just like its his choice to come back.

 

And you have absolutely no right to stop him coming back. None at all. You don't post shows anymore. PK does. You don't post PPV's anymore. Tony does, and I attempt to. If NYU wants to send something to me if I'm posting HeldDown or a Pay Per View, I'll put it in. If PK takes issue with NYU having something in the show, he has the right to leave it out. If he doesn't care that NYU has a segment, he has the right to leave it in.

 

You can't control all the content of the show, and you shouldn't be able to. You should only be able to control the content of your own characters. That is, when someone writes that your character is doing something. An example of how NOT to do this would be SJ's fucking awful attempts at making Axel the federation's Eric Bischoff.

 

I like you Zack, but I don't like the way you have handled this situation. You should be a leader, not a boss.

 

If someone acts out of line elsewhere, and seem as if they can be a hinderance to the present or future of this place, then I damn sure can say if I think they should post or not. There have been times where you yourself have said "why is this person writing", etc., but now that the shoe is on the other foot and one of your friends are the target, you change your tune. Not to mention NYU knows I don't like him and don't trust him after the bullshit he pulled. Your whole analogy of how I can't prevent what goes on in the shows/PPV's is like saying your boss at a supermarket can't stop you from taking food out of the store, because you stock shelves. You play a role in a bigger picture. You don't "own" the shows.

 

KC made a great point too. For someone who desperately wanted certain people to be demodded, and wanted to tweak his character with the GM thing, and use it as a major role, get off your unmotivated ass and DO SOMETHING. Seriously, other than PK, who simply uses himself, and Patty, who does COD, most of the shows contain many of the secondary characters, because the actual active writers aren't doing their part. That's fine for someone like MMOM or something, but you asked for the position your in. Take some responsibility for it.

[Adam 0]

Okay, I was going to say the following in capitals, but I thought:

a) People dont like reading capitals, and

b) I want this to be taken very seriously, as it is the truth, and while not meant to start a flamewar, it is meant to let somebody see what the fuck is happening, and perhaps get them to see some shred of light in the tunnel.

 

Zack. You aren't the fucking boss of this place. This place has no boss. You don't own anything. You don't own us. You cannot stop us from doing anything. There are no contracts here, no legal ramifications to our actions. You were appointed the leader because we all thought that you would be fair, unbiased, and someone people could look up to. Never did anyone mean that you would be 'in charge', with any more power than anybody else. Your whole world is falling down around you right now, because people aren't seeing you as the popular member of society anymore. Sure, a lot of people still like you, but you're showing by your posts here, at the Pit, in HD, that you're having trouble coping with people not liking you. Don't say I don't know whats going on, because I was bored yesterday, and took the liberty of going to the Pit to see what the fuss was about. NYU posted once there, twice here. The post at the Pit wasn't in the least bit shit-stirring, and he only started shit-stirring AFTER you started publicly disrespecting him and complaining about his return. NYU has kept his mouth shut for months now, and you seemingly started this issue. Unfortunately you decided to go after NYU (when he was willing to return to the fed without any ill-feeling about his initial exit) and start something that has now escalated into something a lot bigger than it should have been. You're blowing everything out of proportion. For once, CWM is right about something. Get over it.

[Zack Malibu 0]

Zack. You aren't the fucking boss of this place. This place has no boss. You don't own anything. You don't own us. You cannot stop us from doing anything. There are no contracts here, no legal ramifications to our actions. You were appointed the leader because we all thought that you would be fair, unbiased, and someone people could look up to. Never did anyone mean that you would be 'in charge', with any more power than anybody else.

 

Let's dissect this a bit, shall we? If I thought I had some type of "hold" on this place, then I'd be doing a lot more telling and a lot less asking. I'm very fair and open-minded when it comes to all aspects of this place. Some notable scenarios would be the return of Frigid Soul after all his original bs, which is not unlike the NYU b.s. NYU started his baby bull elsewhere on the board, after all I did was comment that I wasn't too cool with him being back, because it's a trust issue. You know why it's a trust issue? Because stupid, immature people like Frigid and NYU take their internet waaaay too seriously, and go and make this place look bad elsewhere. It's their God given right of free speech, but it's also those instances that they do not belong amongst us. I look out for everyone's benefit, or at least try to, but you're blind in your allegiances, so that point will become null and void. I try to keep everything about here contained here, hence why this post is being followed up on in this folder and not in Hardcore Discussion or something. This folder was meant to air any and all grievances, so it looks like it's finally getting put to use. I'm thankful that some people such as Tony or Eski don't have anything to do with what else goes on on this board, because then it'd be nothing but a clusterfuck of finger pointing. The truth of the matter is, your "friend" left this place high and dry without so much as warning, despite the fact that I wrote his character very strongly, including writing him to win a feud that he did all of ONE PROMO for. NYU should have never had a problem with me, because it was never that I pissed over the Drek Stone character. His complaint was that he didn't like a particular storyline, which guess what, all he had to do was say "I don't want in on it" and he could have been free to do whatever he wanted. Note Parka, EWC, or MMOM for several examples.

 

 

 

Your whole world is falling down around you right now, because people aren't seeing you as the popular member of society anymore. Sure, a lot of people still like you, but you're showing by your posts here, at the Pit, in HD, that you're having trouble coping with people not liking you. Don't say I don't know whats going on, because I was bored yesterday, and took the liberty of going to the Pit to see what the fuss was about. NYU posted once there, twice here. The post at the Pit wasn't in the least bit shit-stirring, and he only started shit-stirring AFTER you started publicly disrespecting him and complaining about his return. NYU has kept his mouth shut for months now, and you seemingly started this issue. Unfortunately you decided to go after NYU (when he was willing to return to the fed without any ill-feeling about his initial exit) and start something that has now escalated into something a lot bigger than it should have been. You're blowing everything out of proportion. For once, CWM is right about something. Get over it.

 

Adam, "hyperbole" doesn't even begin to describe your second portion. MY WHOLE WORLD IS FALLING DOWN AROUND ME? Jesus Christ man, once again I think you boys take your internet way too seriously. Not to mention you try to make yourselves sound like James Fucking Bond with the "I know what's going on, I was at The Pit!", as if you witnessed a major drug deal take place while you hid in the corner of a dive bar. Coping? What do I have to cope with? The two main people who are cunty (Leena and Czech) are not people I ever seriously interacted with. If Popick suddenly got a bug up his ass and began calling me out for a reason, I might get upset. You know why? Because Popick is a true friend, as much as one can be without living a block away or meeting you at the bar for a drink. Same with Patty. Or Lushus and Carnival, to use a few non-OAOAST members. My life is not shattered in the least because a few people who I recognize only by a screen name decided that they don't like me. I must have missed the part where I needed to impress them. I'm an individual quite comfortable in his everyday life, with a tight family and even tighter social circle. I could care less about the opinions of the faceless masses. I am who I am and if you don't like me, then sorry, but I don't change for anyone.

 

I also enjoy how you missed the point of what KC and myself pointed out: That you haven't done squat. While you took your time out to try and analyze me, you could have been writing up a promo or a match for HeldDOWN. Manage your time wisely.

 

You know how this whole thing got blown out of proportion? By NYU saying "yes" to an angle he didn't have his heart set on. If he was honest in the beginning, than the bullshit from a year ago that has caught up with us yet again would have never happened. I'm brutally honest to people's face, so I don't see why someone can't do it thru a computer screen.

[Zack Malibu 0]

Also, let's take a look at this week's booking thread. Now wasn't it a unanimous call quite some time ago that we wouldn't do any out of character shoot bullshit on the shows? Look at what Mr. NYU is claiming he'll do this week. That's something that goes against everyone's opinion. If he's got an issue, he can PM it to all of us, you, me, you can post it here, whatever. But it does not belong on a show, and we ALL made that call. That's nothing but instigation. I haven't even referred to him in character on the show, and there has been no character interaction. So if he's got something to say and "shoot" about, it had better not be posted alongside everyone's character efforts.

[Adam 0]

Okay, its now a lost cause. You made it such an issue that you probably have what you want now. He's shit-stirring you, because you went after him. You'll get the outcome you want. He probably won't come back after AngleMania and things will be all nicey nice with you being the leader and ruler of all things once again. Until someone else comes along and takes issue with the way things are run, and we'll go through the same process, with someone like me realising that perhaps there is a different way of thinking out there, but also with the majority agreeing with you, and forcing people out of the fed due to the lack of fun.

[Zack Malibu 0]

Nobody forced him out. He quit with no explanation, and cried foul after the fact. We went over that a year ago.

 

My issue lies within Tony telling me "he'd like back in and to patch things up", while simultaneously going off on other parts of this board acting like a cocky twat. That's two-facing at it's finest. I might have been open to suggestion had I thought he was sincere. It's nothing something out of the question, since I did it with Hoff not that long ago, even going so far as to write him into my segment because he asked that I help build up his return. I did so with no issue or ill intent. But I'll be damned if I'm going to be nice to someone who's faking his way through it.

 

You, much like him, simply point the finger at me and say "there's the bad guy". So who is the lost cause? Also, notice how the people taking issue with the way things are "run" can be counted on one hand. And when it comes to certain matters at hand, such as this apparent attempt at a "shoot", I'm glad that everyone agreed on it, because it's more drama, quite unnecessary at that, that is taking place on a platform given to FICTIONAL CHARACTERS. If "Rob" has a problem with me, then that's all fine and dandy, but "Drek Stone" does not, therefore it has no place on the written HeldDOWN show.

[Tony149 0]

About NYU's post in the booking thread... We talked about how he'd handle his return promo a couple of weeks ago, specifically how inside he should go if any. Now, I haven't talked to him in a few days since he's enjoying spring break and whatnot, but I told him he shouldn't go too inside as to not make HD become WCW 2000 with insider terms flying left and right.

 

As to whether or not he should stay, I gotta be honest with you -- we need as much writing talent as possible. So many guys can only handle so much before getting overwhelmed. You guys can hate on each other all you want, but like any other sport, as long as you get it done on the field, that's all that should matter.

[Adam 0]

Tony, thats the most intelligent thing in this thread.

[Zack Malibu 0]

I feel the same way, such as how it was with Frigid coming back to be The 70's Dude, not to mention he was/is doing SWF work as well just like I was up until recently. I can easily co-exist, however if someone is being a complete ass elsewhere and using this place as bait for an argument, I think it's stupid. That's my stance on NYU. Him being back didn't bother me so much as that he wants to be back, told you one thing, yet still acts like a smarmy bastard. If the latter ceased, or never happened in the first place, this conversation wouldn't have gone on as much as it has.

 

If he wants to be back, he needs to decide if he's mature enough to handle what comes with being back, namely showing a semblance of respect towards me. I've not so much as uttered the kids name until you told me what was going down, Tony (and then his non-OAOAST followups to try and look cool). If he wants to write here, someone not named Adam needs to break it to him that he needs to live up to his words. That's my only concern.

[King Cucaracha 0]

As I said before, if it's gonna be Adam vs. Zack, count me out.

 

Zack writes for the OAOAST. Adam does not. NYU has not for a while. As far as I'm concerned, I don't give a shit about anything else so that's my one and only, sole opinion on the matter and I'm sure that the likes of Patty, LPYC, Alf, EWC and such feel the same.

 

Assuming you're planning on carrying on with this arguement, can someone demod me so I at least don't have the temptation to read any of it? Thanks in advance.

[Zack Malibu 0]

Eh, I've said my part. What's done is done.

[Stephen Joseph 0]

This thread needs more cowbell

[alfdogg 0]

Are you Tiffany Malibu, Adam.

[Adam 0]

SJ, with that one statement you've changed my stance slightly. Much respect.