Lt. Al Giardello Posted April 6, 2006 Report Posted April 6, 2006 For a year now, I've been hearing all these bullshit remarks regarding Shelton Benjamin. Many people have been critizing him, saying he is nothing more then a spot wrestler like RVD. That is the most bullshit, I think I've ever heard. Shelton Benjamin is a great mat/techincal wrestler, although he just resorts to spot wrestling because he wants to please the crowd. If you really think Benjamin is nothing more then a spot wrestler, I really suggest you look at his RAW match last year with Chris Benoit, right before WM21. That match displayed the best mat wrestling I've seen in the WWE since Angle/Benoit at RR03. Benjamin more then held his own with Benoit on the mat, and they match was fucking awesome, although it was short. Even go back to his WGTT/Team Angle days, when Benjamin's style for the most part was strictly mat wrestling. They put on great tag team matches with mat wrestling, just look at their matches with the Guerreros. Yes, Benjamin has resorted to spot wrestling, but to say he is "only a spot wrestler", is bullshit.
k thx Posted April 6, 2006 Report Posted April 6, 2006 If he wrestles as a spot wrestler, then he's a spot wrestler. The Boogeyman could probably wrestle a non-gimmick match. Doesn't mean he's not a gimmick.
USC Wuz Robbed! Posted April 6, 2006 Report Posted April 6, 2006 If he wrestles as a spot wrestler, then he's a spot wrestler. The Boogeyman could probably wrestle a non-gimmick match. Doesn't mean he's not a gimmick. You do know everyone in WWE plays a gimmick, right?
Lt. Al Giardello Posted April 6, 2006 Author Report Posted April 6, 2006 If he wrestles as a spot wrestler, then he's a spot wrestler. I'm not denying that, but what irks me is people saying he is a bad wrestler and is nothing more then a spot wrestler which is not the truth.
theintensifier Posted April 6, 2006 Report Posted April 6, 2006 If he wrestles as a spot wrestler, then he's a spot wrestler. I'm not denying that, but what irks me is people saying he is a bad wrestler and is nothing more then a spot wrestler which is not the truth.
RavishingRickRudo Posted April 6, 2006 Report Posted April 6, 2006 There isn't good mat wrestling in the WWE, period. If you think that's good mat wrestling, I suggest watching some UWF-i or some RINGS.
Lt. Al Giardello Posted April 6, 2006 Author Report Posted April 6, 2006 If he wrestles as a spot wrestler, then he's a spot wrestler. I'm not denying that, but what irks me is people saying he is a bad wrestler and is nothing more then a spot wrestler which is not the truth. Can you re-read the sentence? Instead of trolling.
theintensifier Posted April 6, 2006 Report Posted April 6, 2006 There's no need to. You just agreed that he's a spot wrestler. Nice edit, I can do that too.
Lt. Al Giardello Posted April 6, 2006 Author Report Posted April 6, 2006 There isn't good mat wrestling in the WWE, period. If you think that's good mat wrestling, I suggest watching some UWF-i or some RINGS. As a former amatuer wrestler, I think I know what's good mat wrestling.
theintensifier Posted April 6, 2006 Report Posted April 6, 2006 There isn't good mat wrestling in the WWE, period. If you think that's good mat wrestling, I suggest watching some UWF-i or some RINGS. As a former amatuer wrestler, I think I know what's good mat wrestling. You wrestled amatuerly ? What state ?
Lt. Al Giardello Posted April 6, 2006 Author Report Posted April 6, 2006 There's no need to. You just agreed that he's a spot wrestler. Nice edit, I can do that too. Seriously how stupid can you get I said LATELY he has resorted to a Spot Wrestling style, but it's not all that he can do. Do you have a problem reading?
theintensifier Posted April 6, 2006 Report Posted April 6, 2006 And you say I'm trolling. I'm not tossing out insults.
Lord of The Curry Posted April 6, 2006 Report Posted April 6, 2006 There isn't good mat wrestling in the WWE, period. If you think that's good mat wrestling, I suggest watching some UWF-i or some RINGS. As a former amatuer wrestler, I think I know what's good mat wrestling. You're treading some dangerous waters, that is, getting owned in the thread you started. And if you think WWE has good mat wrestling, then yes, you don't know good mat wrestling.
Lt. Al Giardello Posted April 6, 2006 Author Report Posted April 6, 2006 There isn't good mat wrestling in the WWE, period. If you think that's good mat wrestling, I suggest watching some UWF-i or some RINGS. As a former amatuer wrestler, I think I know what's good mat wrestling. You wrestled amatuerly ? What state ? I don't live in the states. I live in Canada. I did amatuer wrestling through out Junior High and High School.
USC Wuz Robbed! Posted April 6, 2006 Report Posted April 6, 2006 Shelton Benjamin was a NCAA wrestler. He clearly has some talent as far as that is concerned, however it seems that the WWE doesn't want him to showcase all that he can. They seem to want to restrict his moveset to be that of a semi-flyer/pseudo-technical wrestler, which while showcasing his "athleticism", isn't really utilizing what he can do. So in that regards, I agree that Shelton isn't just a spot wrestler, but he is wrestling like one currently.
Lt. Al Giardello Posted April 6, 2006 Author Report Posted April 6, 2006 There isn't good mat wrestling in the WWE, period. If you think that's good mat wrestling, I suggest watching some UWF-i or some RINGS. As a former amatuer wrestler, I think I know what's good mat wrestling. You're treading some dangerous waters, that is, getting owned in the thread you started. And if you think WWE has good mat wrestling, then yes, you don't know good mat wrestling. No, I don't think WWE has good mat wrestling. But they have had good mat wrestling in the past. Benjamin/Benoit was good mat wrestling, Angle/Benoit RR03 was a mat wrestling classic.
theintensifier Posted April 6, 2006 Report Posted April 6, 2006 For WWF standards yes. But like RRR suggested, watch some RINGS, and you'll see some amazing mat wrestling.
Copper Feel Posted April 6, 2006 Report Posted April 6, 2006 I have done amatuer wrestling and I think that Angle is a crappy mat wrestler, and RR03 was an example of crappy mat wrestling.
Lt. Al Giardello Posted April 6, 2006 Author Report Posted April 6, 2006 I have done amatuer wrestling and I think that Angle is a crappy mat wrestler, and RR03 was an example of crappy mat wrestling. Thats your opinion, although I strongly dissagree with it.
Dangerous A Posted April 6, 2006 Report Posted April 6, 2006 I think Benjamin is very capable of doing good/great mat work. He just hasn't shown it or done it in a WWE ring yet. He got to the Univ of Minnesota because he is very good at amateur wrestling, so I have no doubt about his ability. However, the WWE style isn't condusive to showcasing good mat work. Sometimes they'll show a cool mat work spot that lasts 30 sec-minute, but then it's back to the usual WWE stuff that works for WWE matches. That doesn't constitute a great mat match.
Guest Coffey Posted April 6, 2006 Report Posted April 6, 2006 Just because you're a successful amateur wrestler, that doesn't mean that you'll successfully make the transition to professional wrestling. In real wrestling, Shelton, I'm sure, could outwrestle a lot of people. However, in professiona wrestling, he'll have to take a backseat to people like Benoit. I'd say Shelton is more spotty than RVD lately. In fact, unless a ladder was involved, I have to go all the way to the HBK qualifying match on Raw to find a good Shelton match.
Lt. Al Giardello Posted April 6, 2006 Author Report Posted April 6, 2006 Just because you're a successful amateur wrestler, that doesn't mean that you'll successfully make the transition to professional wrestling. In real wrestling, Shelton, I'm sure, could outwrestle a lot of people. However, in professiona wrestling, he'll have to take a backseat to people like Benoit. I'd say Shelton is more spotty than RVD lately. In fact, unless a ladder was involved, I have to go all the way to the HBK qualifying match on Raw to find a good Shelton match. Shelton has displayed his mat wrestling ability, like I said go watch his match with Benoit the few RAW's before WM21. Benjamin more then held his own with Benoit on the mat. Although it was short, it was a very good *** match. Even go back to his WGTT/Team Angle days, where he mostly was a mat wrestler, and had many good mat wrestling exchanges with both Chavo Guerrero and Eddie Guerrero. Benjamin has had good matches without a ladder. His match Vs. Orton, at Bad Blood 04 was a very good match, his matches with Christian were very good, his matches with Jericho were very good, his 1st match on RAW with HHH was very good and told a great story, he carried Carlito to problay his best singles match of his career.
RavishingRickRudo Posted April 6, 2006 Report Posted April 6, 2006 Amateur Wrestling and Mat Wrestling in Professional Wrestling are two different things. Worked mat wrestling is when you feed your opponent moves and relies a lot on reaction (fighting against the hold while actually not fighting against the hold - making it seem like you are not letting it happen), whereas Amateur Wrestling is, well, actually competitive. Doing a waistlock and a front chancery is not good mat wrestling.
Perfxion Posted April 6, 2006 Report Posted April 6, 2006 Dude, he is a spot wreslter. He has talent, but he is nothing more than a spot wrestler. Sabu style down pact, even with the blown spots.
Copper Feel Posted April 6, 2006 Report Posted April 6, 2006 Doing a waistlock and a front chancery is not good mat wrestling. It is if you show the right ammount of struggle and cleary establish where the wrestlers are in comparison to each other.
RavishingRickRudo Posted April 6, 2006 Report Posted April 6, 2006 2 moves that anyone can do is not good mat wrestling. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9luiC9HtJc&search=volk%20han
Copper Feel Posted April 6, 2006 Report Posted April 6, 2006 Not in and of itself no, but if its used to further the match logically then its good wrestling period. And I am familiar with Volk Han.
Guest Princess Leena Posted April 6, 2006 Report Posted April 6, 2006 Stop stealing Ripper's gimmick.
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