RIP Proof from D-12

[MikeJordan23 0]

So you get one little report, have no idea the situation, and already coming to these conclusions? Slow down. You have no clue what predicament he was even in to begin with. It could've been self defense for all we know. Just cause he shot first, doesn't mean he pulled out his gun first.

 

Being the first shot eliminates self defense.

 

How you figure? If you're being physically attack, you are, by law, allowed to use what is deemed as "accessive force" to protect yourself. We still don't know anything aside from him shooting the guy first. The guy could've beat his ass and then pulled out a gun. And Proof reacted, and pulled out his gun and shot first.

Dude, what the fuck is 'accessive force.' The word 'accessive' isn't in the dictionary. (Ok it's in some dictionaries, but it means additional)

Assuming you ment 'excessive force' that still doesn't make any sense because the 'excessive force' means you used more force than was necessary. And you're definately not "by-law" (as you put it) allowed to use it to protect yourself. That's why it's called excessive force.

 

And if cnn's report is the truth then this guy deserved it.

 

"excessive force" (What I obviously meant) isn't the right phrase, but "necessary force" to defend yourself from bodily harm. If someone threatens to hurt or kill you, "If, in self-defence, you seriously hurt or kill somebody who was threatening to kill you, a court may excuse your action. However, the evidence must indicate you did not have any reasonable alternative."

 

Is what I'm saying. Until we get the facts straight, we can't just assume his actions were violence first. The guy could've simple pulled a gun out and Proof shot him before he got killed. Proof had problems (warranted and unwarranted) with a lot of people in Detroit. It's all cool from the safety of your mommy's home to say what he should and shouldn't be carrying, but in the REAL WORLD, where he's looking out for his best interest, he needed to protect himself. If that means carrying a (registered) firearm, then that's what it is. I'm not saying you have to feel sorry for him, but you have to understand the circumstances that he was surrounded with before you just rush to judgment that he's some "ignorant thug rapper" that was letting off random shots inside of a club.

[Copper Feel 0]

There are so many people in this thread that I wouldn't think of as rap fans or for matter know who the hell Proof is.

 

Who? The comment doesunt suport itself.

[2GOLD 0]

On top of all this, if this story is true, if Proof just started shooting people in the head and he had to be shot to stop him, then why did whoever shoot him not turn themselves in? They hauled ass and the police are having to find witnesses to determine who shot him.

 

Best I could figure is the number of times he was shot. If they shot him more than once, including a shot to the head then they might run into a problem. Otherwise, I don't know, just human instinct to run I guess.

[Special K 0]

doesunt

 

Bwah!

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Another eerie thing I want to point out is Proof was the replacement for Bugz, an original member of D-12, who was also shot and killed.

 

This is really sad to hear, I've always been a fan of their work and Proof was a great MC. I'm going to miss the guy. RIP Proof.

[Ripper 0]

Eminem was the replacement to Bugz in D-12.

[ZGangsta 0]

So you get one little report, have no idea the situation, and already coming to these conclusions? Slow down. You have no clue what predicament he was even in to begin with. It could've been self defense for all we know. Just cause he shot first, doesn't mean he pulled out his gun first.

 

Being the first shot eliminates self defense.

 

How you figure? If you're being physically attack, you are, by law, allowed to use what is deemed as "accessive force" to protect yourself. We still don't know anything aside from him shooting the guy first. The guy could've beat his ass and then pulled out a gun. And Proof reacted, and pulled out his gun and shot first.

Dude, what the fuck is 'accessive force.' The word 'accessive' isn't in the dictionary. (Ok it's in some dictionaries, but it means additional)

Assuming you ment 'excessive force' that still doesn't make any sense because the 'excessive force' means you used more force than was necessary. And you're definately not "by-law" (as you put it) allowed to use it to protect yourself. That's why it's called excessive force.

 

And if cnn's report is the truth then this guy deserved it.

 

"excessive force" (What I obviously meant) isn't the right phrase, but "necessary force" to defend yourself from bodily harm. If someone threatens to hurt or kill you, "If, in self-defence, you seriously hurt or kill somebody who was threatening to kill you, a court may excuse your action. However, the evidence must indicate you did not have any reasonable alternative."

 

Is what I'm saying. Until we get the facts straight, we can't just assume his actions were violence first. The guy could've simple pulled a gun out and Proof shot him before he got killed. Proof had problems (warranted and unwarranted) with a lot of people in Detroit. It's all cool from the safety of your mommy's home to say what he should and shouldn't be carrying, but in the REAL WORLD, where he's looking out for his best interest, he needed to protect himself. If that means carrying a (registered) firearm, then that's what it is. I'm not saying you have to feel sorry for him, but you have to understand the circumstances that he was surrounded with before you just rush to judgment that he's some "ignorant thug rapper" that was letting off random shots inside of a club.

Now you're making sense. Yeah if a guy runs at you with a knife or pulls a gun on you or something you have the right to shoot him down.

The fact that everyone involved booked it outta there, and the 2 guys who were shot were taken in 'private cars' to help means something fishy was up.

So WAS Proof the guy gunned down outside the club in the 'Toy Soldiers' video? Cause that would be kinda creepy.

[CBright7831 0]

So you get one little report, have no idea the situation, and already coming to these conclusions? Slow down. You have no clue what predicament he was even in to begin with. It could've been self defense for all we know. Just cause he shot first, doesn't mean he pulled out his gun first.

 

Being the first shot eliminates self defense.

 

How you figure? If you're being physically attack, you are, by law, allowed to use what is deemed as "accessive force" to protect yourself. We still don't know anything aside from him shooting the guy first. The guy could've beat his ass and then pulled out a gun. And Proof reacted, and pulled out his gun and shot first.

Dude, what the fuck is 'accessive force.' The word 'accessive' isn't in the dictionary. (Ok it's in some dictionaries, but it means additional)

Assuming you ment 'excessive force' that still doesn't make any sense because the 'excessive force' means you used more force than was necessary. And you're definately not "by-law" (as you put it) allowed to use it to protect yourself. That's why it's called excessive force.

 

And if cnn's report is the truth then this guy deserved it.

 

"excessive force" (What I obviously meant) isn't the right phrase, but "necessary force" to defend yourself from bodily harm. If someone threatens to hurt or kill you, "If, in self-defence, you seriously hurt or kill somebody who was threatening to kill you, a court may excuse your action. However, the evidence must indicate you did not have any reasonable alternative."

 

Is what I'm saying. Until we get the facts straight, we can't just assume his actions were violence first. The guy could've simple pulled a gun out and Proof shot him before he got killed. Proof had problems (warranted and unwarranted) with a lot of people in Detroit. It's all cool from the safety of your mommy's home to say what he should and shouldn't be carrying, but in the REAL WORLD, where he's looking out for his best interest, he needed to protect himself. If that means carrying a (registered) firearm, then that's what it is. I'm not saying you have to feel sorry for him, but you have to understand the circumstances that he was surrounded with before you just rush to judgment that he's some "ignorant thug rapper" that was letting off random shots inside of a club.

Now you're making sense. Yeah if a guy runs at you with a knife or pulls a gun on you or something you have the right to shoot him down.

The fact that everyone involved booked it outta there, and the 2 guys who were shot were taken in 'private cars' to help means something fishy was up.

So WAS Proof the guy gunned down outside the club in the 'Toy Soldiers' video? Cause that would be kinda creepy.

He was.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeoD3cFJnwk...0Toy%20Soldiers

[Carnival 0]

No...that this guy made a living off this whole gangsta image, then tried to live it out and got killed, and for some reason people are shocked. These reports are all the Proof you need.

I know, lol, like when the average joe down the street dies of something like a common disease or one of a million daily car accidents, he was leading a normal life, he should expect a normal death, and people have the nerve to act surprised, lol, stupid people!

please stop being a moron or stay out of this thread, i suggest both.

[Prime Time Andrew Doyle 0]

source: All Hip Hop.com

 

Man Suspected Of Fatally Shooting Rapper Proof Surrenders, Pool Game May Have Sparked Fight

By Nolan Strong

Date: 4/12/2006 8:30 pm

 

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A 28-year-old man suspected of fatally shooting rapper Proof of D12 turned himself in today (April 12).

 

Mario Etheridge, 28, of Detroit is being detained by the police for allegedly shooting the rapper during an altercation inside of the C.C.C. nightclub.

 

Etheridge was also a bouncer at the C.C.C. nightclub.

 

Police said he is a cousin of Keith Bender Jr., the bouncer who was allegedly shot by Proof during the fight, which took place around 4:30 am Tuesday.

 

Sources told AllHipHop.com that the altercation was rooted in a pool game.

 

For unknown reasons, the men two began arguing and a fight broke out.

 

A shot was fired in the air, Proof allegedly pistol-whipped Bender, knocked him to the ground and then shot him.

 

Etheridge then allegedly open fire on the rapper, striking him four times in the head and chest.

 

Authorities are still investigating the incident, but police said the 28-year-old was cooperating with authorities.

 

Bender, a former Sgt. in the United States Army, is on life support in critical condition.

[Mole 0]

Atleast Em has something new to talk about now.

 

Seriously, is that smart ass comment nessecary?

Well it is true.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

These reports are all the Proof you need.

 

He'll be here all week.

[Carnival 0]

The Article

 

A source exclusive to SOHH.com has revealed that the argument that resulted in the death of D12 member Proof was initiated by the other victim in the shootout over a "King of Detroit" argument.

 

As SOHH previously reported, Proof and Keith Bender got into a heated exchange at Triple C's nightclub early Tuesday morning (April 11) which lead to Proof pistol-whipping and shooting Bender. Proof was then gunned down by Bender's cousin as he stood over Bender.

 

"[bender] started an argument with Proof, knowing who he was," the source told SOHH. "Proof told him he didn't want to hear any bullshit and that he was 'King of Detroit' and stuck his hands in [bender's] face.

 

"The guy then pulled out his gun and then Proof pulled his out and shot -- hitting the guy," the source added. "The guy's cousin who is a bouncer at the club then shot Proof. They grabbed up the gun from the guy Proof shot and fled."

 

According to the Wayne County Medical Examiner's Office, Proof was shot three times in the head and the chest. He was pronounced dead on arrival at St. John Conner Creek Village in Detroit. Bender is currently in St. Johns Hospital and Medical Center in critical condition.

 

On Wednesday afternoon (April 12), Mario Etheridge, a 28 year-old bouncer at the Triple C's nightclub, turned himself in to Detroit Police accompanied by his attorney Randall Upshaw. Upon arrest, he revealed he was Bender's cousin.

 

Etheridge is still in custody and authorities are continuing to investigate whether he should face charges in the shooting, which Detroit Police said, might have been in self-defense. But SOHH.com sources say Etheridge surrendered out of self-preservation.

 

"The guy turned himself in out of fear he was going to get got at by Proof's people," said the source. "Proof frequented the place and there is of course no way the bouncer or anyone else in the club didn't know who he was,"

 

Proof's untimely death continues to overwhelm his fans and peers in the music industry.

 

Today, Royce Da 5'9" expressed his feelings regarding the unfortunate passing of Proof in a statement.

 

"I am deeply saddened by the murder of someone I called a good friend. I've known Proof for over nine years and will always remember him for the joy and life that he brought into every room he entered. We first met at Detroit's Hip Hop Shop where Proof was hosting open mics and was considered by most to be Detroit's freestyle king. Even then you could tell there was something special about him."

 

"Some people might be familiar with a well-publicized beef that Proof and I had a couple of years ago," Royce added via the statement. "Thankfully though, we had not only resolved our conflict, but we also restored our friendship. Back in December, we went overseas together for a few spot dates in Europe where we had a chance to catch up on 'the good ole days.' We both laughed at how we sometimes forget how far we've come, until you look out of your hotel window and see London's Big Ben or Paris's EiffelTower. On that tour we had a chance to visit cities we never even knew existed. Not bad for two kids from Detroit, huh."

 

"His death is such a loss for the hip hop community, and especially for the city of Detroit. I hope that he will be remembered for the talented artist and great person that he was, and not the tragedy that he fell victim to. My thoughts and prayers go out to his entire family, friends, and anyone that was ever touched by him."

 

pretty much, we'll never know the "real" details, so it's pointless to make the judgement call here for Proof.

[Guest Sylvan Grenier]

You guys, I've exercised so much self-restraint in this thread, it's not even funny.

[Dobbs 3K 0]

You guys, I've exercised so much self-restraint in this thread, it's not even funny.

 

Why? I mean, this is the internet. If you need to rub one out, no one is going to know or try to stop you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Or were you talking about a different kind of self-restraint? You need to be more specific or people are going to twist your words around.

[dh86 0]

Eminem was the replacement to Bugz in D-12.

 

no he wasnt...Swifty was

[dh86 0]

proof's song kurt kobain sounds eery nowadays

[Perfxion 0]

Eminem was the replacement to Bugz in D-12.

 

no he wasnt...Swifty was

 

No, D12 was 6 black dudes. Bugz died and then Eminem joined.

[FroGG_NeaL 0]

Man, always sad when anybody passes, no matter how. Proof was ill as fuck, and I know D-12 is hit hard right now, cause I lost a few brothers the past couple of years.

 

And I'm sure Em will make sure his family is very well taken care of. Dude adopted his niece and made a song about her, ya know.

 

Songs of Proof on my Best of:

 

Rap Game - D-12 - 8 Mile SDTK

 

Forgive Me Feat 50 Cent - Searching For Jerry Garcia

 

Sammy Da Bull feat. Nate Dogg and Swifty McVany - Searching For Jerry Garcia

 

Kurt Kobain - Searching For Jerry Garcia

 

Just Rhymin' with Proof - (Motherfucking excellent long as radio freestyle with Eminem, and they start out drunk, and just keep drinking Bacardi through the whole thing, and about 75% of the time Proof outshines Em.)

 

Derty Harry - Electric Coolaid Acid Testing EP

 

Ja in a Bra - I Miss the Hip Hop Shop

 

Anywhere - Anywhere 12"

 

Pimplikeness - f/ Eminem - Searching For Jerry Garcia

 

Under The Influence - Eminem f/ D-12 - Marshall Mathers LP

 

When the Music Stops - Eminem f/ D-12 - The Eminem Show

 

6 Reasons - D-12 (with Bugz) - D-12 The Underground EP

 

Art of War - D-12 (with Bugz) - D-12 The Underground EP

 

Chance To Advance - D-12 f/ Eminem, Eye Kyu - D-12 The Underground EP

 

Activity as Phuctivity - D-12 (with Bugz) - D-12 The Underground EP

 

Fuck Battlin - D-12 (with Bugz) - D-12 The Underground EP

 

Cock and Squeeze - D-12 (with Bugz) - D-12 The Underground EP

 

Bring Our Boys - D-12 f/ Eye Kyu - D-12 The Underground EP

 

Damn near all of Deveil's Night

 

Loyalty - D-12 f/ Obie Trice - D-12 World

 

How Come - D-12 - D-12 World

 

Get My Gun - D-12 - D-12 World

 

40 Oz. - D-12 - D-12 World

 

Good Die Young - D-12 - D-12 World

 

Keep Talkin - D-12 - D-12 World

 

Doe Rae Me - Eminem f/ D-12, Obie Trice - White Label 12"

 

Quiter - Eminem f/ D-12 - White Label 12"

 

Slum Elementz - f/ Kon Artis (D12), Mudd (5 Ela), T-3 (Slum Village) - Searching For Jerry Garcia

 

From that track-

 

Proof:

 

"I ain't tryin to find no blame, or make excuses

I figured y'all slept so long I'll wake the rooster

I love hip-hop and just makin music

In the "8 Mile" flick I was portrayed as Future

On the set I was due, where's the rest of my crew

for the movie, this is truly our destiny dude

I'm like Shady is my team, maybe it's a dream

It seems I'm bein choked like Radio Raheem

P knew it when G-Unit all got deals

Imagine a muscle have to hustle, that's why it feel

I'm walkin out of different people office still

This ain't a diss, this is just talkin real

Toy soldier, wonderin how they coffin feel

My homie put me on 'em but I got up off them pills

Got a boss appeal, you can call me Malphie

But ask 'em all how where the fuck what they'd be without me - Proof"

 

 

 

R.I.P.

"King of Detroit"

Big Proof