Make an outlandish statement

[AboveAverage484 0]

I agree on all of those guys other than Sak. He's been on such a downward spiral that I can't imagine people rejecting him any more or time hurting him. His story has pretty much been written, so I don't think future generations will see anything differently than us.

 

Well, people still don't realize that his resume largely sucks, and that some pure luck kept 3 losses off his record early (vs. Belfort, Goes & Mezger). 4 Gracies beaten? Too bad only one was worth a damn (Renzo). He beat Newton & White? So did nearly half of their opponents.

 

I'll say Sak has 3 good wins (Renzo, Braga & Jackson) and a whole lot of nothing else.

 

Really only two if you wanna get technical, Rampage wasn't shit compared to his 2002/2003 self. Here's another outlandish statement: Sak at peak health could conceivably defeat anyone in Pride's current WW GP, excepting Filho and Ninja.

 

I think the thing about Couture is just when everybody thought he was done for he'd come back and win another title. I mean the man came back from being subbed by Valentijn Overeem in LESS THAN A MINUTE!

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

I have to wait and see Hendo lose in the MW division before I see future generations shitting on him. If that were to happen, people today would think he sucked.

 

Couture I don't know, he truly was top guy in the world at one point. No one can take that from him.

 

Wanderlei has wins over a lot of small Japs, but he's got some big impressive ones too (Jackson and Arona). If he beats Lil Nog, then I don't see anyone shitting on his legacy. However, one thing they can shit on him for is the fact that in early 2003, PRIDE had Jackson, Randleman, Arona, Overreem, and Lil Nog in their organization...and Wanderlei never fought any of them.

[Lei Tong 0]

- At least half of the guys I've shown Sak's fights to find many of his antics endearing (in other words, as annoying as Sudo doing the robot or Yano mule kicking across the ring), and few of his fights are entertaining enough to be considered all time classics.

 

- At his physical peak, I'd say Sak had a decent chance against anyone in the PRIDE WW GP. Why? Because a majority of the fighters are mediocre as shit. Though, I think I'd actually favor Ninja, Filho & Misaki over a prime Sak.

 

- You'd be hard pressed to find impressive Couture wins against guys who didn't slide into mediocrity immediately after losing to him (Rizzo, Randleman, Belfort, Ortiz), losses to Enson & Overeem are still losses to Enson & Overeem, and people will finally get it through their thick skulls that Barnett & Ricco didn't outweigh him by 50+lbs, but beat him because they were better fighters.

 

- Wanderlei's record is highly inflated, with his biggest wins being over Quinton & splitting a pair of bouts with Arona. Aside from them, he's made most of his career beating oversized and/or mediocre competition, when (as mentioned) there was plenty of other top guys for himto face. He still has time in his career to prove me wrong, but I'm not holding my breath.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

If you watch him fight Ricco for the first two rounds before the huge weight advantage wears on his body, he pwns him. Ditto Barnett, whose win is also stigmatized due to the roids.

 

Ortiz lost one fight to the best LHW fighter in the world. Sliding into mediocrity? Hardly.

 

Sak would get destroyed by most of the guys in the UFC's MW division, prime or not. Some feel he could have made 170 though, which would have been his true weight class, but I don't know enough to comment.

[Lei Tong 0]

If you watch him fight Ricco for the first two rounds before the huge weight advantage wears on his body, he pwns him. Ditto Barnett, whose win is also stigmatized due to the roids.

 

15 lbs. at HW is hardly a huge weight advantage. Should Noguiera & Fedor not have been able to fucking school Heath because they both gave up about 20lbs?

 

Ortiz lost one fight to the best LHW fighter in the world. Sliding into mediocrity? Hardly.

 

I love Tito, but he's had 4 uneven performances since the Couture fight. He could do nothing to Chuck, The Cote match was a complete dissapointment, Vitor gave him a number of scares, and injuries made the Forrest more competitive than it probably should have been.

 

Sak would get destroyed by most of the guys in the UFC's MW division, prime or not. Some feel he could have made 170 though, which would have been his true weight class, but I don't know enough to comment.

 

I doubt it. 5'11/6'0 WW's are kind of rare, and it's not as though Sak has a slender frame. Plus, would he even want to or be able to handle the cut?

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

It would probably mean cutting down on the sauce, so I doubt Sak would want to move down to 170.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

I'm just saying, I saw this quote in some Sherfagger's sig where it talked about Sak being the greatest P4P fighter ever, since he fought men 230 lbs even though he could have cut down to 155 realistically. I know, it's bullshit, but I'm just sayin', I figured that coupled with the talk of a Saku-Matt Hughes dream fight that 170 was a good possibility. That would have probably had to taken place at 185, but if Matt knew he was only cutting to 185, he probably would have adjusted his body accordingly to be a big guy at that weight too.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

Matt Hughes would be the best 185 lb'er in PRIDE.

[Lei Tong 0]

Matt Hughes is avoiding a rematch with Gono, and thanks White Jesus everyday for his JD over him.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

Matt Hughes is avoiding a rematch with Gono, and thanks White Jesus everyday that he doesn't look like him.

 

Much truer.

[Lei Tong 0]

Gono doesn't need looks. The badass pussy loves him anyways.

 

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

St. Pierre is going to KO Matt Hughes in no less then 2 round.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

Once again you fail to see the point:

 

- Give some time to let the last statement be discussed.

 

- What you said is not really outlandish at all. I don't think he's gonna KO him within two rounds, but it could very well happen. I think he's grind out a decision personally.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

Once again you fail to see the point:

 

- Give some time to let the last statement be discussed.

 

- What you said is not really outlandish at all. I don't think he's gonna KO him within two rounds, but it could very well happen. I think he's grind out a decision personally.

 

It is considered outlandish since most people I know don't think Matt Hughes can be KO'd.

[Damaramu 0]

Ok...outlandish?

 

Since he's been training with Randy Couture, Forrest Griffin could beat anyone in the LHW division(yes even tito if they fought again)except Chuck Liddell.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

Once again you fail to see the point:

 

- Give some time to let the last statement be discussed.

 

- What you said is not really outlandish at all. I don't think he's gonna KO him within two rounds, but it could very well happen. I think he's grind out a decision personally.

 

It is considered outlandish since most people I know don't think Matt Hughes can be KO'd.

 

Those friends need to DL the fight with Jose Landi Jons where he catches a knee right in the grill and drops like a rock.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

Ok...outlandish?

 

Since he's been training with Randy Couture, Forrest Griffin could beat anyone in the LHW division(yes even tito if they fought again)except Chuck Liddell.

 

Babalu would beat Griffin, a 100% healthy Tito would tune him. Rashad Evans would pose big problems for him as well.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

Once again you fail to see the point:

 

- Give some time to let the last statement be discussed.

 

- What you said is not really outlandish at all. I don't think he's gonna KO him within two rounds, but it could very well happen. I think he's grind out a decision personally.

 

It is considered outlandish since most people I know don't think Matt Hughes can be KO'd.

 

Those friends need to DL the fight with Jose Landi Jons where he catches a knee right in the grill and drops like a rock.

 

How old was that fight?

[Lord of The Curry 0]

Sherdog Fighter Bios are your friend.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

Sherdog Fighter Bios are your friend.

 

It was more of statement then a question. Either way, Matt Hughes is a MUCH smarter and better fighter since he's fought Pele. Hughes is in the prime of his career now.

[Damaramu 0]

Ok...outlandish?

 

Since he's been training with Randy Couture, Forrest Griffin could beat anyone in the LHW division(yes even tito if they fought again)except Chuck Liddell.

 

Babalu would beat Griffin, a 100% healthy Tito would tune him. Rashad Evans would pose big problems for him as well.

 

I thought you were supposed to rip me a new a-hole or tell me why I'm wrong.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

Sherdog Fighter Bios are your friend.

 

It was more of statement then a question. Either way, Matt Hughes is a MUCH smarter and better fighter since he's fought Pele. Hughes is in the prime of his career now.

 

 

 

Considering how close GSP came to knocking him out in the first fight (That spinning back kick would be considered a KO) and how he’s knocked woozy or TKO’ed other tough fighters like Hieron and Sherk (whose never been stopped) there’s a very real possibility that a KO of Hughes can happen.

 

 

 

I said it would take a decision, but that’s only because these guys are so close. Someone getting finished will probably have a better chance of happening.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

I'd say Trigg KO'd Hughes in their second encounter, it just so happened that it was up against the fence and instead of just dropping to the ground Hughes had the benefit of sliding down the cage.

[Lei Tong 0]

Royce still competed in judo, and there's the whole fact that he's Royce Gracie going on. He's at least the equivalent of Serra, if not more so.

 

So says the idiot I'm "debating" at DVDR.

 

Can anyone actually even try to defend this?

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

DVD MB is awful in their Royce love.

[Damaramu 0]

Damn nobody but EHME wants to attack what I said? I figured it'd get someone angry or furiously destroying it.

[Lei Tong 0]

Now you know me: I'm always up for a good debate. But the unrelenting idiocy is hurting my psyche so bad that I'm ready to flee in sheer horror.

[Damaramu 0]

Are you talking about my comment or Hughes debate?

I thought the point was to make outlandish statements and get it ripped. I thought that was pretty outlandish.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

I'm with EHME on this one. A healthy Tito would've ended Forrest in round one, two at the most. Forrest beating Babalu is possible, I suppose but I've no idea how he'd do it. Chuck would KO his ass.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

I can't stomach the Royce love.

 

And most of them have no concepts of weight classes, it's all "NO RULES" over there. Ninja being 0-2 at MW somehow makes him a credible win two weight classes higher? Unbelievable.

 

I'll stick to TSM, and the UFC (no, not that UFC) thank you very much.