A Happy Medium 0 Report post Posted May 22, 2006 Hatton had a bad debut....but still... Hatton > Naseem Hamed *remembers Berrara exposing Hamed and pretty deporting him* That was fun. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lt. Al Giardello 0 Report post Posted May 22, 2006 What does Hamed have to do with anything? He's fought many times in America before the Barrera fight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JustPassinBy Report post Posted May 22, 2006 Hatton had a bad debut....but still... Hatton > Naseem Hamed *remembers Berrara exposing Hamed and pretty deporting him* That was fun. Naseem Hamed was a clown in the ring. Seriously, he had an entertaining style but no fundamentals at all. Its actually interesting you bring up Hamed bc I immediately think Clown. But then jus this past week on I think friday nite fights, there was these two guys fighting and one of the guys actually kissed the other guy on the forehead, as they were locked up. He later in the round knocked the guy out. I'd never seen that before. Did anyone else see it? It was a fight to see who would be ranked #2, with the chance to fight Joe Calzage. The undefeated guy lost, and the other guy was like 24-4 with 23 KO's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lei Tong 0 Report post Posted May 22, 2006 Hatton had a bad debut....but still... Hatton > Naseem Hamed *remembers Berrara exposing Hamed and pretty deporting him* That was fun. Except that Hamed's resume completely blows Hatton's away. As in, not even close. And I hate Hamed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted May 22, 2006 Hamed never beat anyone on Kostya Tszyu's level. Both guys fought alot of B-level talent and aging fighters...when Hamed stepped up to the world class level (MAB) he got beat up, Hatton stopped Kostya. Luis Collazo is also probably just as good as anybody Hamed ever beat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lei Tong 0 Report post Posted May 22, 2006 Hamed never beat anyone on Kostya Tszyu's level. Hamed def. Kelley via TKO, Rd.4 Both guys fought alot of B-level talent and aging fighters... Hamed fought a shitload of world champions and tough guys in their prime. Hatton has fought mainly regional level talent and aged journeymen. when Hamed stepped up to the world class level (MAB) he got beat up, Hatton stopped Kostya. Hamed had been fighting on the world stage for about 6 years when he lossed a clear but competitive decision with MAB, beating (and KO'ing) plenty of champs in that time. Hatton's brief run against world class competition has included a good win against an aged champion, a KO over Maussa, and razor thin JD to Collazo. Luis Collazo is also probably just as good as anybody Hamed ever beat. Utter bullshit. Collazo is a decent fighter whose biggest accomplishement to date is beating Jose Luiz Rivera for a paper title. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted May 22, 2006 A lot of people underrate the difficulty it is when you move up and down in weight-class. They think a simple 10-15 pounds doesn't matter, but it definately does. I mean De La Hoya, one of his losses was because he made a bad decision to move up in weight to fight Hopkins, purely for business reasons, another loss he was robbed against Trinidad, and then his legit losses were to Sugar Shane Mosely. Other then that, De La Hoya has been pretty flawless in his career. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coffin Surfer 0 Report post Posted May 22, 2006 I would say that was actually Hatton's problem with Collazo. Though the weight was fairly even, Collazo was naturally a bigger, stronger man. And when you have somebody like Hatton who depends so much on muscling people around, he's gonna hit a roadlbock against a naturally bigger stronger boxer. If he stays at a heigher weight, he's gonna have to learn to box smarter but at his age I doubt he can drastically change his style like that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted May 22, 2006 Hamed def. Kelley via TKO, Rd.4 Are you seriously comparing Kelley circa Dec'97 to Kostya Tszyu last year? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lei Tong 0 Report post Posted May 22, 2006 Considering both were past their prime (and Kostya was not far removed from an 18 month layoff), I'd say that Hamed laying Kelley out was more impressive than Hatton grinding Tszyu down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lt. Al Giardello 0 Report post Posted May 23, 2006 Kostya Tszyu was coming off a huge victory over Shambra Mitchell, in which alot of people thought he was going to lose. With that said, had the fight taken place anyother place other then England, the outcome would've been different, and Tszyu problay would've won. Both don't have impressive resumes, Hamed will problay get into the Hall though, because of his impact in boxing and he was the biggest draw in the featherweight divison for a long time. I'm starting to think Cotto could beat Hatton, but I want to see how good Cotto does againest Paulie Growing Up Gotti. But Cotto is suppose to fight Jose Luis Castillo after Paulie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted May 23, 2006 Yeah, people need to realize the difference between moving up in weight, and simply putting on pounds, and being a natural at a certain weight. The natural will always have the edge, because the person moving up is usually losing something, whether it be power or speed. Same with moving down in weight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted May 23, 2006 I'm starting to think Cotto could beat Hatton, but I want to see how good Cotto does againest Paulie Growing Up Gotti. But Cotto is suppose to fight Jose Luis Castillo after Paulie. I am not sold on Cotto yet, or at least don't think he is experienced enough to get in the ring with Jose Luis Castillo. If that happens I see a vicious left hook coming Cotto's way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lt. Al Giardello 0 Report post Posted May 23, 2006 I'm starting to think Cotto could beat Hatton, but I want to see how good Cotto does againest Paulie Growing Up Gotti. But Cotto is suppose to fight Jose Luis Castillo after Paulie. I am not sold on Cotto yet, or at least don't think he is experienced enough to get in the ring with Jose Luis Castillo. If that happens I see a vicious left hook coming Cotto's way. Cotto is much more proven fighter then Hatton. Cotto's beat alot of contenders and good fighters. DeMarcus Corley Lovemore N'Dou Ricardo Torres Mohamad Abdulaev Carlos Maussa(when he was undefeaed) Should Cotto get past Paulie, he's ready for the next step, and I think he will be able to beat Castillo. It would be a war no doubt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites