Bush attacking the Gay Community again.

[Dobbs 3K 0]

I use that as my "spray" on Day of Defeat 2.

 

OK, so if I understand correctly, deficit spending is good because the dollar is strong...and it will stay strong forever, I'm assuming?

[Slayer 0]

[Money] just passed through me to other places, people, and matters.

Tithings

[Guest LiveFastDieNever]

haha sometimes. Sadly, not often enough. Usually due to a lack of funds.

[Guest Felonies!]

Basically the board Mods got tired of every thread being turned into a "who can belittle the person of the opposite opinion the most" contest and threads kept getting closed. . . . So now you have TSM with mostly liberal posters in the CE forum, where conservative posters are naturally ganged up on due to the sheer numbers game, and then you have The Pit where it is the same thing, just reversed.

So certain mods decided to make Current Events nice and safe for liberals, and you guys just make it as unbearable, basically. When are the mods going to get tired of your bunch?

[NoCalMike 0]

Basically the board Mods got tired of every thread being turned into a "who can belittle the person of the opposite opinion the most" contest and threads kept getting closed. . . . So now you have TSM with mostly liberal posters in the CE forum, where conservative posters are naturally ganged up on due to the sheer numbers game, and then you have The Pit where it is the same thing, just reversed.

So certain mods decided to make Current Events nice and safe for liberals, and you guys just make it as unbearable, basically. When are the mods going to get tired of your bunch?

 

 

Dude, were you even here five years ago? Only ONE PERSON got banned, but the rest just left.

[Guest Felonies!]

5 in September, actually, which is kind of sad. Anyway, I'm pretty sure the intent of it all was to make CE safe for you.

[NoCalMike 0]

5 in September, actually, which is kind of sad. Anyway, I'm pretty sure the intent of it all was to make CE safe for you.

 

 

Yes I am sure the Mods have a vested interest in making the CE folder safe for me.

[snuffbox 0]

A couple of you are trying a little too hard to be politically correct. I explained the Stalin comparison already...it has nothing to do with 'GWB is a murderer!!!' or whatever conculsion you jumped too. The cuurent admin favors a system where the majority of Americans (workers & their families) work to pay for a huge govt and for privileges for a small select class of people in exchange for a small slice of the American pie. That has a bit of the fundmental element of Communism to it. With the spying deal, election scandals, war problems, and the vitriol against all opposing viewpoints - the comparison to Stalin's philosophy continues. Again, this doesnt include Stalins mass murders...it is merely a comparision between a current leader/admin and a historical one.

[NoCalMike 0]

A couple of you are trying a little too hard to be politically correct. I explained the Stalin comparison already...it has nothing to do with 'GWB is a murderer!!!' or whatever conculsion you jumped too. The cuurent admin favors a system where the majority of Americans (workers & their families) work to pay for a huge govt and for privileges for a small select class of people in exchange for a small slice of the American pie. That has a bit of the fundmental element of Communism to it. With the spying deal, election scandals, war problems, and the vitriol against all opposing viewpoints - the comparison to Stalin's philosophy continues. Again, this doesnt include Stalins mass murders...it is merely a comparision between a current leader/admin and a historical one.

 

 

Basically a Wealthy Upper Class, and a Working Class. No Middle Class. That is how democracy ends.

[snuffbox 0]

5 in September, actually, which is kind of sad. Anyway, I'm pretty sure the intent of it all was to make CE safe for you.

 

Helluva conspiracy theory there, Czecher Bored.

[snuffbox 0]

A couple of you are trying a little too hard to be politically correct. I explained the Stalin comparison already...it has nothing to do with 'GWB is a murderer!!!' or whatever conculsion you jumped too. The cuurent admin favors a system where the majority of Americans (workers & their families) work to pay for a huge govt and for privileges for a small select class of people in exchange for a small slice of the American pie. That has a bit of the fundmental element of Communism to it. With the spying deal, election scandals, war problems, and the vitriol against all opposing viewpoints - the comparison to Stalin's philosophy continues. Again, this doesnt include Stalins mass murders...it is merely a comparision between a current leader/admin and a historical one.

 

 

Basically a Wealthy Upper Class, and a Working Class. No Middle Class. That is how democracy ends.

 

It is also how pure Capitalism ends. A fraction of the population being allowed to prosper while the rest work to move the cogs of America does not allow any but those at the top to move very far forward.

[NoCalMike 0]

A couple of you are trying a little too hard to be politically correct. I explained the Stalin comparison already...it has nothing to do with 'GWB is a murderer!!!' or whatever conculsion you jumped too. The cuurent admin favors a system where the majority of Americans (workers & their families) work to pay for a huge govt and for privileges for a small select class of people in exchange for a small slice of the American pie. That has a bit of the fundmental element of Communism to it. With the spying deal, election scandals, war problems, and the vitriol against all opposing viewpoints - the comparison to Stalin's philosophy continues. Again, this doesnt include Stalins mass murders...it is merely a comparision between a current leader/admin and a historical one.

 

 

Basically a Wealthy Upper Class, and a Working Class. No Middle Class. That is how democracy ends.

 

It is also how pure Capitalism ends. A fraction of the population being allowed to prosper while the rest work to move the cogs of America does not allow any but those at the top to move very far forward.

 

Well Capitalism without the checks and balances that make it a beneficial system for everyone is basically already over with.

[Slayer 0]

BLUH FLUH CORPORATIONS ARE EVIL DURR FLURR RACIST IMPERIALIST HEGEMONY AND OTHER SOCIALIST CATCHPHRASES. IN RELATED NEWS: DIALECTICAL MATERIALISM AND SALTY HOT HORSE COCKS

[Gary Floyd 0]

Well, as least this thread doesn't suck as bad as the Conspiracy Theories one.

[Dobbs 3K 0]

I agree with snuffbox, as far as the administration's favoring of the upper class, and slow elimination of the middle class. Also, look at the influx of cheap labor the administration favors. Basically building a low "peasantry class" of foreign labor, and boosting the wealthy.

[Guest InuYasha]

I agree with snuffbox, as far as the administration's favoring of the upper class, and slow elimination of the middle class. Also, look at the influx of cheap labor the administration favors. Basically building a low "peasantry class" of foreign labor, and boosting the wealthy.

Last time I checked, this was called a Feudal Monarchy. So, how far away do you think Emperor Bush I is?

[Slayer 0]

All that's missing is you guys evoking the imagery of ee-vil corporations as literal fat cats sitting in chairs lighting cigars with burning $100 bills and using the common American worker as an ottoman

[Guest InuYasha]

All that's missing is you guys evoking the imagery of ee-vil corporations as literal fat cats sitting in chairs lighting cigars with burning $100 bills and using the common American worker as an ottoman

Aside from the ottoman, you just described the owner of the company I work for to a T.

[Guest Felonies!]

Your boss is a cat? Holy fucking shit!

 

"Push more carts, bitch"

[Gary Floyd 0]

So, to sum up this thread:

 

OMG CAPITALISM IS TEH SUX0RS EMPERORBUSHIZSTALIN WTFBBQ!

 

Christ, I hate the Bush administration too, but this whole thing is reading like posts on Democratic Underground.

[Guest Felonies!]

Great, the noble experiment of fostering intelligent discussion by putting the conservatives in exile has yielded the Democratic Underground

[SuperJerk 0]

To Edwin: I don't see how you could disallow polygamy if someone wanted it, and I also think that it's a pretty clear case of being hypocritical. How can someone advocate gay marriage by criticizing anti-gay marriage folk for refusing to change the definition from marriage being between a man and a woman, and than saying they only want to change it to being between two people? By that token, they're discriminating against those that want to marry more than one person. It kind of is the same argument.

 

It is not hypocritical because polygamy and same-sex marriage are not the same things.

 

The difference between same-sex marriage and polygamy is that same-sex marriage is only asking for a change of who that one individual person you can be married can be. If someone was arguing for the legalization of polygamy, they'd be asking the government to expand marriage benefits from an individual to a group. Gay marriage advocates agree that a person should be able to pick out one special person to share a legal bond with, just that it shouldn't be limited to people of the opposite sex.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

But you're infringing on the rights of many who want to marry, well, many.

 

Who are you to tell them their love isn't real? I'm not speaking in terms of economics and taxes here, that's a whole different issue.

[NoCalMike 0]

So, to sum up this thread:

 

OMG CAPITALISM IS TEH SUX0RS EMPERORBUSHIZSTALIN WTFBBQ!

 

Christ, I hate the Bush administration too, but this whole thing is reading like posts on Democratic Underground.

 

 

No one is saying Capitalism = bad, however there were checks and balances in place to prevent an Oligarchy from happening, but those checks and balances are slowly evaporating.

 

First you can look at the outsourcing of manufacturing jobs to the lowest bidder, then you can plainly see that The President doesn't want to curb illegal immigration, and he surely DOES NOT want to punish corporations for breaking the law and hiring illegal immigrants to do the work. People are aware that there is major abuse going on in the Katrina cleanup/construction where illegal aliens are being brought in to do the work and when it comes time to get paid, their employers are telling them to go talk to INS about their pay check. Yeah, I know some people are like "well too bad for the illegal immigrant breaking the law" but you have to look at as the low-skilled american worker getting screwed out of work.

 

Then you have privately owned prisons that are being contracted out to do more and more types of labor, which brings in a lot of money for the owner of the prison, and you can clearly see the incentive to keep prisons full of free labor. This is another reason drug laws will never be abolished.

[SuperJerk 0]

But you're infringing on the rights of many who want to marry, well, many.

 

Who are you to tell them their love isn't real?

If you can't decide on one person, then what's the point of getting married?

 

**Waits to see how that argument can be twisted into an anti-gay marriage argument.**

[Guest Overworked]

But you're infringing on the rights of many who want to marry, well, many.

 

Who are you to tell them their love isn't real? I'm not speaking in terms of economics and taxes here, that's a whole different issue.

 

 

Bah Gawd are we back on topic???

 

The real thing is, No one should really have a business to tell someone else not do something if it doesn't affect them in the first place. An Ultra Conservative Christian Right Husband reads a paper..and finds out two guys got married in Mass, what happens then he drops the paper, throws his wedding ring in his bowl of cornflakes, because evidently the whole institution of marriage just collasped?

 

(keeping in mind this is a fictious hypothetical not referring to anyone actually debating rationally)

 

I know that sounds goofy but it seems to be how people are reacting. Somehow marriage of the same gender Damages their own personal marriages. Maybe its just an excuse to go out and whore or something. "Oh darn couple of gals got hitched, well fuck that invalidates my marriage, time to go get some ho's."

 

If your a straight Religiously minded conservative man or woman with strong feeling towards family values, thats good for you. But then what does it matter to you personally if two people you don't know, neither does your friends or family, whom are the same gender do decide to get married in some distant part of the country. How is this terrifying news harmful to you in any way?Why is it your problem to air your opinion and in some cases try to personally stop? Maybe there is a latent fear that a straight man might get drunk one night wake up next to another guy in vegas half out of his wedding dress with a sign saying just married with tin cans on the hotel door knob..If you think its a sin, you are still mortal you are not the judge of what is sinful. God is. Have faith that God him her and it self will judge these folks accordingly. God wears a shirt saying Born to Invent Hell, I think he got the whole judgement thing covered. But again that is just my personal opinion, not trying to force anyone to submit to my Rule..

 

(but hmmm wonder what the world be like with Overworked at the helm, people leaving everyone alone, Haku would be World Champion, God's mention and worship be relegated in his Churches, Temples, Mosques, Ashrams, Monestaries, Idols, Shrines, and Not say....on Fox news. and there would be the women that would.........but I digress )

[snuffbox 0]

Yep, 'capitalism is evil'....thats almost what I said.

[CheesalaIsGood 0]

Lets face it, if you are two girls who want to get together and fuck... nobody really cares unless you are ultra religious. This is about gay men. People are freaked out about boys kissing than any other combination. It is retarded to be against letting them get married. There is no moral high ground in preventing any gay person from having what they want from their lives. You don't want to deal with it? Fine keep it under your hat then.

 

If you are against gays and them marrying fine. It's none of your business and it is none of my business. There is no argument of merit against gay marriage.

[SuperJerk 0]

Lets face it, if you are two girls who want to get together and fuck... nobody really cares unless you are ultra religious.

 

I beg to differ. I care. I care so much I demand photgraphic or video evidence of this act!

[randomguy 0]

Gay marriage destroys the sanctity of marriage itself.

 

We need to leave marriage in the capable hands of those who can truly respect it - like Charlie Sheen and Denise Richards.

 

Edit: Slippery slope arguments are ALWAYS worthless, without fail. You can construct a slippery slope argument for or against anything.

 

"If we allow marriage, what next? (Not gay marriage, all marriage) Men marrying sheep? Let's not go down that slippery slope!"

 

Anything anyone does can always be construed as a step towards something bad. "Where do you stop?" That's for us as a society to decide. It makes ZERO sense to be against something not because that thing is bad, but because it might put you on the path towards something bad. When you get to that point just say no.