Most annoying ROH crowd ever?

[King Cucaracha 0]

Ok even thought I did defend the promotion and it's crowd a few days back I have thought of one annoying feature of an ROH crowd. Standing up everytime wrestlers come outside the ring. If you are in the front row..you can see just fine unless your an honest to god midget. So why do you feel the need to stand up?

 

I guess if someone takes a spill over or into the guardrail it's easier to move from standing than from seated? Plus staying seated makes you look disinterested, unless you're in Japan or something.

[The Buzz 0]

I see where you're coming from on the moving, but unless you are a fat 300 plus pound person or elderly. You should be able to move pretty fast out of your seat, but I suppose I'd probably stand up if I ever got the front rows too.

[Guest The Beta Male]

i THINK the match was between Joe and Kobashi, but the crowd were a little over enthused.. there was a "this is awesome" chant 5 minutes into the match and 30 seconds into a rest hold.

[tigeraid 0]

i THINK the match was between Joe and Kobashi, but the crowd were a little over enthused.. there was a "this is awesome" chant 5 minutes into the match and 30 seconds into a rest hold.

 

Wul, ya, but it's Joe and Kobashi

[hyperchord24 0]

i THINK the match was between Joe and Kobashi, but the crowd were a little over enthused.. there was a "this is awesome" chant 5 minutes into the match and 30 seconds into a rest hold.

 

Wul, ya, but it's Joe and Kobashi

I remember and ill-placed "this is awesome" chant. I felt like since the crowd thought it was going to be an awesome match, they figured if they jumped the gun, that's okay.

[Bruce Blank 0]

i THINK the match was between Joe and Kobashi, but the crowd were a little over enthused.. there was a "this is awesome" chant 5 minutes into the match and 30 seconds into a rest hold.

 

Wul, ya, but it's Joe and Kobashi

yep no one does a more awesome rest hold!! How dare you question anything related to Joe and Kobashi!!

[Copper Feel 0]

This is awesome chants in general are terrible.

[Sideburnious 0]

Especially premature RoH fan "this is awesome" chants

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I think this comment from an Observer a couple of weeks back would make a nice addition to the conversation about ROH crowds. It's in regard to the 6/24 show in Chicago.

 

There was a dueling, “Let’s go Kenta, Let’s go Aries”, chant that went on for five minutes. Then others in the crowd started a “Shut the fuck up”, chant. Maybe we should post on the doors at ROH shows the rules for fan behavior so people who are sad that it’s not still 1985 don’t have to complain about how fans who enjoy the matches react. In a city the size of Chicago, there are less than 1,000 people who come to shows like this. It’s not WWE. You should be thankful wrestling of this caliber is being presented and that there are enough people enjoying it that it doesn’t go out of business, as opposed to complaining about the kind of people who are keeping it alive not behaving to someone’s outdated specified standard that you should behave like it’s 1975 at a wrestling match in 2006. It’s a lot better than the alternative of guys busting their ass at a WWE show to no reaction since the people don’t think they are important since they’ve never seen them on television.

[Guest wildpegasus]

I think this comment from an Observer a couple of weeks back would make a nice addition to the conversation about ROH crowds. It's in regard to the 6/24 show in Chicago.

 

There was a dueling, “Let’s go Kenta, Let’s go Aries”, chant that went on for five minutes. Then others in the crowd started a “Shut the fuck up”, chant. Maybe we should post on the doors at ROH shows the rules for fan behavior so people who are sad that it’s not still 1985 don’t have to complain about how fans who enjoy the matches react. In a city the size of Chicago, there are less than 1,000 people who come to shows like this. It’s not WWE. You should be thankful wrestling of this caliber is being presented and that there are enough people enjoying it that it doesn’t go out of business, as opposed to complaining about the kind of people who are keeping it alive not behaving to someone’s outdated specified standard that you should behave like it’s 1975 at a wrestling match in 2006. It’s a lot better than the alternative of guys busting their ass at a WWE show to no reaction since the people don’t think they are important since they’ve never seen them on television.

 

There has never been a dueling chant in ROH before. All they have is polite chants where they each wait their turn to put themselves over. And how can one have a dueling chant when there are people chanting for both wrestlers??

 

The "Shut the f**k up" chant is hilarious. At least someone's fighting the good fight.

[World's Worst Man 0]

It's basically true what Meltzer said, some people are pathetically obsessed with the ROH/"smarky" crowd. On the other hand, some of those chants are quite annoying, and I can't imagine how annoying a 5 minute duelling chant would be. But in the end, no matter how annoying a crowd might be, the people who constantly bitch about it are worse. If one doesn't like indy wrestling, they should just come out and say it, rather than trying to "intelligently" criticise a promotion based on how their fans act.

[strummer 0]

http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/blog/rrr/i...1&&st=0

 

More to the discussion from last fall

[Guest wildpegasus]

It's basically true what Meltzer said, some people are pathetically obsessed with the ROH/"smarky" crowd. On the other hand, some of those chants are quite annoying, and I can't imagine how annoying a 5 minute duelling chant would be. But in the end, no matter how annoying a crowd might be, the people who constantly bitch about it are worse. If one doesn't like indy wrestling, they should just come out and say it, rather than trying to "intelligently" criticise a promotion based on how their fans act.

 

No, the people who complain about people complaining about the crowds are worse.

[World's Worst Man 0]

No, trolling idiots who write shitty reviews, are (justifiably) hated by a large majority of the community and desperately want to appear smart are worse.

 

But let me guess.. "I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I?!?!?!"

[bob_barron 0]

It's basically true what Meltzer said, some people are pathetically obsessed with the ROH/"smarky" crowd. On the other hand, some of those chants are quite annoying, and I can't imagine how annoying a 5 minute duelling chant would be. But in the end, no matter how annoying a crowd might be, the people who constantly bitch about it are worse. If one doesn't like indy wrestling, they should just come out and say it, rather than trying to "intelligently" criticise a promotion based on how their fans act.

 

No, the people who complain about people complaining about the crowds are worse.

 

I just love that people always seem to get bent out of shape about the ROH crowds. OMG THEY CHANT THIS OR CHANT THAT OR THEY DIDNT SHOW PROPER RESPECT- I mean really, there are a lot of things you can criticise ROH on, picking on the crowd is just lame

[Guest wildpegasus]

No, trolling idiots who write shitty reviews, are (justifiably) hated by a large majority of the community and desperately want to appear smart are worse.

 

But let me guess.. "I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I?!?!?!"

 

What's your problem?

 

 

Is it because I see things different than you PART of the time and have an open and honest mind? Buddy, it's not worth getting all bent out of shape for. Just enjoy the wrestling you like and I'll enjoy the wrestling I like. Sometimes we'll both like a match and sometimes we won't. Everyone's like that.

 

 

 

 

If I'm hated by a large majority of the community than why am I often invited to go to different message boards?

[World's Worst Man 0]

Clearly the crowd reacting the way it does means guys like Danielson and Joe are just play wrestling and aren't any good.

[King Cucaracha 0]

Joe is no Albert, that's for sure.

[tigeraid 0]

I think this might've taken over from the "unpopular opinions" thread as the most pointless thread on TSM.

 

ROH is great wrestling. A WWE show has 8-9 matches or so (let's assume PPV, cuz we all know RAW is lucky to have 1 match) and 1 might, *MIGHT* be good. ROH has 8-9 matches in a show, and 1 might, *MIGHT* be boring or kinda pointless. That's why fans are so into it. There's no way an ROH crowd CAN'T be jacked, with the kind of environment there is in such a small arena.

 

In both ROH shows I've been to so far, I've marked out like a 10 year old at several things. I also don't get out of hand, and don't follow along to EVERY goddamn chant the crowd thinks up. I'm not there to get myself over, I'm there to support a wrestler I happen to like. The dueling chants occur because, quite often, a match has TWO wrestlers that people like. As pointed out previously, I'd rather have boring, repetitive dueling chants than the WWE crowd that's dead for every single match except one involving John Cena, HHH or Shawn Michaels.

 

I like getting lost in the moment. ROH has made me enjoy wrestling like I haven't since the Austin/Bret Hart feud. I think that's true of most ROH fans--having something to consistently enjoy and be a part of is something wrestling fans haven't had in a long time. And I'd gladly be an "annoying" fan to do so.

[Guest wildpegasus]

I think this might've taken over from the "unpopular opinions" thread as the most pointless thread on TSM.

 

ROH is great wrestling. A WWE show has 8-9 matches or so (let's assume PPV, cuz we all know RAW is lucky to have 1 match) and 1 might, *MIGHT* be good. ROH has 8-9 matches in a show, and 1 might, *MIGHT* be boring or kinda pointless. That's why fans are so into it. There's no way an ROH crowd CAN'T be jacked, with the kind of environment there is in such a small arena.

 

In both ROH shows I've been to so far, I've marked out like a 10 year old at several things. I also don't get out of hand, and don't follow along to EVERY goddamn chant the crowd thinks up. I'm not there to get myself over, I'm there to support a wrestler I happen to like. The dueling chants occur because, quite often, a match has TWO wrestlers that people like. As pointed out previously, I'd rather have boring, repetitive dueling chants than the WWE crowd that's dead for every single match except one involving John Cena, HHH or Shawn Michaels.

 

I like getting lost in the moment. ROH has made me enjoy wrestling like I haven't since the Austin/Bret Hart feud. I think that's true of most ROH fans--having something to consistently enjoy and be a part of is something wrestling fans haven't had in a long time. And I'd gladly be an "annoying" fan to do so.

 

I wouldn't call you an annoying fan at all. Sure, I don't think the ROH matches are nearly as good or engrossing as you say they are (I hope you're also watching the great matches from Smackdown) but stuff like that's not really annoying. You come off as a geniune fan and that's cool because that's what it's all about.

 

SOMETIMES I feel sorry for the ROH crew because they have a sucky crowd that's full of themselves who are more about themselves than the matches. Perhaps the only people that could get heel heat down there are Cena and Orton (wouldn't he make an awesome heel in ROH?). The bottom line is that the crowd and a wrestling match are linked together. The facts are that a lot of people hate the ROH crowd and it ruins the wrestling for them. It is a problem that has to be dealt with.

 

The dueling chants aren't dueling however. They're the furthest thing from it.

[bob_barron 0]

Perhaps the only people that could get heel heat down there are Cena and Orton (wouldn't he make an awesome heel in ROH?)

 

Tons of ROH wrestlers have gotten heel heat. Look at the Embassy or CM Punk during his heel runs.

 

The rest of what you said is also wrong too.

[tigeraid 0]

Perhaps the only people that could get heel heat down there are Cena and Orton (wouldn't he make an awesome heel in ROH?)

 

Tons of ROH wrestlers have gotten heel heat. Look at the Embassy or CM Punk during his heel runs.

 

The rest of what you said is also wrong too.

 

 

I would have to agree. Jimmy Rave and Nana certainly have a few fans, and they get applause for a job well done after a match, but they get massive heel heat. So did John Walters after his heel turn, Shane Douglas when he showed up and cut a promo... Steve Corino was a pretty effective heel too.

[Guest wildpegasus]

Perhaps the only people that could get heel heat down there are Cena and Orton (wouldn't he make an awesome heel in ROH?)

 

Tons of ROH wrestlers have gotten heel heat. Look at the Embassy or CM Punk during his heel runs.

 

The rest of what you said is also wrong too.

 

It isn't wrong.

 

You don't think Randy Orton would be a super over heel in ROH? Seriously?

[Hawk 34 0]

Perhaps the only people that could get heel heat down there are Cena and Orton (wouldn't he make an awesome heel in ROH?)

 

Tons of ROH wrestlers have gotten heel heat. Look at the Embassy or CM Punk during his heel runs.

 

The rest of what you said is also wrong too.

 

It isn't wrong.

 

You don't think Randy Orton would be a super over heel in ROH? Seriously?

 

Orton wouldn't be the first smark hated worker to appear in ROH and like the rest, they'd simply yawn in boredom after the inital heat as they did with J. Hardy, Konnan, and ICP.

 

You got a WORLD CLASS heel in Bryan Danielson who demostrates how to be a fucking over heel by actually doing something. Danielson will get the respect pop but after 30 minutes of carving another heeling masterpiece, you have the same crowd wanting his head. (He'll get his sample of support but Danielson is Flairesque, as he'll always be respected)

 

Jimmy Rave, only took 1 show in Japan to become such mega-heel that Japan gave him the same treatment ROH gives Rave every show.

 

Look at KENTA at BITW and you'll see a primo heel in action against Joe and the crowd chewed him out for it despite the inital respect they gave him and Marufuji.

 

Orton, can't measure up the skills that KENTA, Rave, Chris Hero and Danielson offer as heel performers. Orton's heat would be for his complete lack of respect for his peers, undeserved push and his inability to work without Val Venis, 'Taker or Chris Benoit. That heat wouldn't sustain.

[Guest wildpegasus]

Perhaps the only people that could get heel heat down there are Cena and Orton (wouldn't he make an awesome heel in ROH?)

 

Tons of ROH wrestlers have gotten heel heat. Look at the Embassy or CM Punk during his heel runs.

 

The rest of what you said is also wrong too.

 

It isn't wrong.

 

You don't think Randy Orton would be a super over heel in ROH? Seriously?

 

Orton wouldn't be the first smark hated worker to appear in ROH and like the rest, they'd simply yawn in boredom after the inital heat as they did with J. Hardy, Konnan, and ICP.

 

You got a WORLD CLASS heel in Bryan Danielson who demostrates how to be a fucking over heel by actually doing something. Danielson will get the respect pop but after 30 minutes of carving another heeling masterpiece, you have the same crowd wanting his head. (He'll get his sample of support but Danielson is Flairesque, as he'll always be respected)

 

Jimmy Rave, only took 1 show in Japan to become such mega-heel that Japan gave him the same treatment ROH gives Rave every show.

 

Look at KENTA at BITW and you'll see a primo heel in action against Joe and the crowd chewed him out for it despite the inital respect they gave him and Marufuji.

 

Orton, can't measure up the skills that KENTA, Rave, Chris Hero and Danielson offer as heel performers. Orton's heat would be for his complete lack of respect for his peers, undeserved push and his inability to work without Val Venis, 'Taker or Chris Benoit. That heat wouldn't sustain.

 

I've seen Orton pull off some good matches with other wrestlers. The heat would sustain if they gave him the belt along with a long run. Ideally, Orton would go back and forth to ROH and WWE at the same time as well. They should also make him some kind of women magnet in ROH to really get underneath the fans' skin.

 

I think his cocky persona combined with heigth and body phsyique (not only would all the fan base be jealous but he'd have a size advantage over a very good porportion of the roster) would work really well in ROH especially if he was champ. They would have to get him the belt in order for it to work the best. Otherwise they'd be waisting him. He already has more charisma than all the wrestlers I've seen from ROH. He'd be way better than Hero and Danielson as a heel who come off as a little too bland in their heelish actions. I don't know about Rave because I'm not that familiar with him. Orton's already getting heel heat from you and don't tell me for a second that you wouldn't want to watch him in ROH especially once everyone starts talking about those "5 star best ever matches" that Orton's opponent "carried" him in.

 

See, that's the thing. Orton isn't bad with the wrestling. The kid can actually go a good bit and he's proven he can be in some great matches. Yet, some ROHbots don't know that and because they either don't know it or refuse to believe a WWE HOME GROWN wrestler can be any good it'll give Orton even more heat. Can you imagine Orton working the crowd waiting for his opponent to get up so he can hit a RKO on his opponent? The anticipation heat would be off the freaking charts.

 

I don't see how Orton would be anything but a legit heat magnet inside the ring. It would be pure gold.

[tigeraid 0]

I can't believe this argument is even taking place, comparing Randy Orton to any of those heels. Jesus.

 

And the RKO is nothing but a poorly executed excuse for an Ace Crusher or Diamond Cutter.

[Guest wildpegasus]

The heat Orton is already getting in this thread proves my point.

 

 

Yeah, I agree with you. The RKO is no diamond cutter.

[tigeraid 0]

But dude that's not the GOOD kind of heat. When you're getting heat for non-kayfabe reasons, your heel run can only be short-lived and badly received (see: Konnan, Jeff Hardy, etc) ... I don't see how that would be a "good heel run."

[Guest wildpegasus]

But dude that's not the GOOD kind of heat. When you're getting heat for non-kayfabe reasons, your heel run can only be short-lived and badly received (see: Konnan, Jeff Hardy, etc) ... I don't see how that would be a "good heel run."

 

Jeff Hardy was broken down when he went into ROH. Konnan I've never seen in there. I was disgusted at hearing about how the crowd treated them.

 

Randy Orton is not broken down. He can also go inside the ring.

 

Anyway, Orton would be getting heat for both kayfabe and nonkayfabe reasons. His persona, smirks, ring entracne music, pretty boy looks, physique and wrestling style would all work better in ROH than they do in the WWE. I think he's a completely natural fit for ROH. Perhaps even more than Cena. I can't see one legit reason why he wouldn't be over like anything in ROH.

 

 

Say, this gives me a good idea for a topic. Who would be the best possible heel that ROH could get that's never wrestled for them before?

 

Who would you say it is Tigeraid?

[Michrome 0]

Orton would indeed be a solid heel for ROH, but he is limited in-ring. He isn't capable of having good enough matches on a consistent enough basis to be a top guy, but yea he would be a very fun heel act. The only problem is that he's so much bigger than everyone else, it would expose how small most of the roster is.

 

The guys that get the most heat in ROH are the guys the crowd believes don't deserve their spot. See Jimmy Rave. He was hated, and remains hated to this day because fans initially thought he was boring and shitty. Since then, he has improved tremendously, and is one of my favorites to watch, but everyone still hates him for those same reasons. CM Punk got a ton of heat for the straight edge character because of his great promos, and because they didn't have him working any technical "classics" in his first year with the company. The main ROH crowd never saw him work what they considered a "great" match, so they felt no need to give him applause to show appreciation for his work. Any wrestler who has had a ton of fantastic matches will have a nightmare of a time getting pure heel heat in ROH.

 

All of this bashing of the fans at live shows is pretty ridiculous though. I've been to a few, and I've been to plenty of WWE shows, and I've never been at a WWE show where the fans were so rabidly interested in the entire show as the fans were at ROH. I was in New York City for Homicide vs. Jay Lethal, one of the major duel chant offenders. The people in the crowd were going nuts, and it was split about 50/50 for Lethal and Homicide. The atmosphere was just intense. Now, I ask, who is a lamer fan? The fan who joins in on the chants and chants "Let's go Lethal," or the fan who sits in his basement criticizing those fans for putting themselves over? The answer is easy.

 

On one hand, you have a group of dedicated fans that loyally follow a promotion, its storylines, and its characters, even though it has no TV or PPV. On the other hand, you have a group of pricks that wait for results to come in, complain about booking on paper, and then mock fans at the shows for their chants. Which is worse?