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[Lord of The Curry 0]

The pairing of Kevin Nash and Alex Shelley in TNA is a better use of stars then WWE, not to mention being better handled then any angle WWE has done in a while. The skits are 10X funnier then anything Vince and Co. has done in an age. The give-and-take is equal and both guys are getting over, something WWE would never be able to pull off with a "Main Event" (and I use that term loosely for Nash) big-man star and a midcarder.

 

I'm curious to hear what people can dig up to put against this.

[Hawk 34 0]

Of course. Nash and Shelley were meant for each other as they completely mesh together...It's probably the best pairing of talents since Booker and Goldust and these guys can rely on naturalistic humor as opposed to sight gags and innuendo.

[dubq 0]

100% agreement here.

[Downhome 0]

I actually agree with you as well, big shocker I know. The only thing in WWE that even comes close right now is King Booker's Court, and the feud against Lashley, etc...

 

I don't know if Kevin Nash was sincere or not, but he was really putting Alex Shelley over recently in a conference call. I know it'll more than likely never happen, but I'd really like to see Nash just become Shelley's bodyguard, just like Nash proposed in that call.

[HollywoodSpikeJenkins 0]

Nash has always brought the comedy and Alex Shelly is, in all honesty, the next big thing in pro wrestling.

[Hawk 34 0]

I see Alex Shelley as Chris Jericho but with more talent and motivation.

[Guest wildpegasus]

I see Alex Shelley as Chris Jericho but with more talent and motivation.

 

Woah, that's one bold statement.

[The Buzz 0]

At the moment it is bold and out there. But I wouldn't be surprised to see that statement come true in the next five to ten years. I think Shelley if he listens to the veterans like Raven and the like and learns how to work a crowd to perfection, then he can be a big player.

[UZI Suicide 0]

Two that come to mind are the Jericho/Trish/Christian storyline heading into Wrestlemania XX, and the Batista/Triple H storyline last year, especially the build-up to Batista leaving Evolution.

 

Off the top of my head, I can't think of anything else though.

[Hawk 34 0]

At the moment it is bold and out there. But I wouldn't be surprised to see that statement come true in the next five to ten years. I think Shelley if he listens to the veterans like Raven and the like and learns how to work a crowd to perfection, then he can be a big player.

 

That's basically what I was going with, I see him being Jericho but more motivated throughout his career as well as being better down the road.

 

Shelley is only 23 years old and has a world of time to improve but looking at his track record in the last five years shows bright signs that he can achieve the status we thought Jericho would reach.

[claydude14 0]

Nash/Shelly is definitly my favorite thing in wrestling right now and has made TNA my favorite weekly show, narrowly beating Smackdown!

[iggymcfly 0]

Are you telling me that Impact may actually be worth watching now? I may tape an episode and fast-forward through it to see if anything looks interesting, but I don't have very high hopes. The last couple times I tried to watch it (admittedly months ago), it was AWFUL.

[Fökai 0]

The pairing of Kevin Nash and Alex Shelley in TNA is a better use of stars then WWE, not to mention being better handled then any angle WWE has done in a while. The skits are 10X funnier then anything Vince and Co. has done in an age. The give-and-take is equal and both guys are getting over, something WWE would never be able to pull off with a "Main Event" (and I use that term loosely for Nash) big-man star and a midcarder.

 

I'm curious to hear what people can dig up to put against this.

1. With all of the build toward the X-Division angle, will Nash put over more than he will squash. I'm not talking about quantity of people, either, just the one or two guys he puts over in the end. Such as, squashing Sabin this Sunday is fine for the angle, but what's the big picture? Who exactly will he be putting over?

 

2. Will this angle actually benefit Shelley more than it will Nash. If not, it's just Nash putting himself over and giving his remaining heat to Shelley. Considering that Alex was already being built up with the Sting angle, he isn't that far away from success - TNA just simply forgot about him for a while.

 

I will say that I'm enjoying the angle from a fan's standpoint. But if you want to analyze it, there's an argument to be made.

 

If you want to make direct comparisons from recent months, Batista made everyone care about MNM for a few weeks until the writers decided they had to make a useless angle out of it. After months of bungling his push, everyone and their mother is putting over Lashley on his way up the card. Edge is likely a bigger draw than anyone on the TNA roster, and all it took was interaction with guys like Cena, Foley. and Flair to get him over. You may need to clarify the last sentence, because I don't think you want to emphasize that Nash is getting himself over for his benefit and that's a good thing.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

As the resident TNA enthusiast...

 

I kind of agree...

 

It IS funnier than anything WWE has done in a long time. I think the HHH/Batista storyline from last year was better (because in hindsight it made a huge star). But I think that Shelley is benefiting from it already. To be fair though...ever since they gave Shelley the paparazzi gimmick...he's been getting himself over. The Sting videos were hilarious.

[Toxxic 0]

We get the shows just over a week later in the UK - I taped Impact last night and will watch it today, so I've only seen a couple of the Nash/Shelley shows. However, what I've seen so far has been promising. My only worry is that the last match I saw was Lethal vs Shelley where Nash accidentally cost Shelley the match. I worry that the focus will move onto Nash vs the X-Division and Shelley will get jobbed out in the process.

 

However, I'm with the Shelley = new Jericho argument. I'd say he is more talented in the ring and just as entertaining out of it, and I think very highly of Jericho.

[eirejmcmahon 0]

It's certainly going a lot better than I expected, you always have that nagging feeling with Nash though that (in the end) he'll be the one left smiling, y'know ?

 

As for something in the WWE I'm enjoying as much, I don't really catch much of their stuff these days but I do LOVE the midget thing with Finlay - as per the Nash angle, on paper it sounds terrible but in execution it's proving to be very entertaining.

[Scroby 0]

The way I see it, there is no arguement with your statement Curry. Currentl or recently, WWE hasn't been able to pair anyone together without fucking it up or just forgetting about the two pairing together, but if I really want to compare something to Nash and Shelly that would be Booker and Golddust teaming up.....good times.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

The pairing of Kevin Nash and Alex Shelley in TNA is a better use of stars then WWE, not to mention being better handled then any angle WWE has done in a while. The skits are 10X funnier then anything Vince and Co. has done in an age. The give-and-take is equal and both guys are getting over, something WWE would never be able to pull off with a "Main Event" (and I use that term loosely for Nash) big-man star and a midcarder.

 

I'm curious to hear what people can dig up to put against this.

1. With all of the build toward the X-Division angle, will Nash put over more than he will squash. I'm not talking about quantity of people, either, just the one or two guys he puts over in the end. Such as, squashing Sabin this Sunday is fine for the angle, but what's the big picture? Who exactly will he be putting over?

 

2. Will this angle actually benefit Shelley more than it will Nash. If not, it's just Nash putting himself over and giving his remaining heat to Shelley. Considering that Alex was already being built up with the Sting angle, he isn't that far away from success - TNA just simply forgot about him for a while.

 

I will say that I'm enjoying the angle from a fan's standpoint. But if you want to analyze it, there's an argument to be made.

 

If you want to make direct comparisons from recent months, Batista made everyone care about MNM for a few weeks until the writers decided they had to make a useless angle out of it. After months of bungling his push, everyone and their mother is putting over Lashley on his way up the card. Edge is likely a bigger draw than anyone on the TNA roster, and all it took was interaction with guys like Cena, Foley. and Flair to get him over. You may need to clarify the last sentence, because I don't think you want to emphasize that Nash is getting himself over for his benefit and that's a good thing.

 

You were doing alright for yourself until you said that Edge is a draw. That's just goofy.

[HollywoodSpikeJenkins 0]

The pairing of Kevin Nash and Alex Shelley in TNA is a better use of stars then WWE, not to mention being better handled then any angle WWE has done in a while. The skits are 10X funnier then anything Vince and Co. has done in an age. The give-and-take is equal and both guys are getting over, something WWE would never be able to pull off with a "Main Event" (and I use that term loosely for Nash) big-man star and a midcarder.

 

I'm curious to hear what people can dig up to put against this.

1. With all of the build toward the X-Division angle, will Nash put over more than he will squash. I'm not talking about quantity of people, either, just the one or two guys he puts over in the end. Such as, squashing Sabin this Sunday is fine for the angle, but what's the big picture? Who exactly will he be putting over?

 

2. Will this angle actually benefit Shelley more than it will Nash. If not, it's just Nash putting himself over and giving his remaining heat to Shelley. Considering that Alex was already being built up with the Sting angle, he isn't that far away from success - TNA just simply forgot about him for a while.

 

I will say that I'm enjoying the angle from a fan's standpoint. But if you want to analyze it, there's an argument to be made.

 

If you want to make direct comparisons from recent months, Batista made everyone care about MNM for a few weeks until the writers decided they had to make a useless angle out of it. After months of bungling his push, everyone and their mother is putting over Lashley on his way up the card. Edge is likely a bigger draw than anyone on the TNA roster, and all it took was interaction with guys like Cena, Foley. and Flair to get him over. You may need to clarify the last sentence, because I don't think you want to emphasize that Nash is getting himself over for his benefit and that's a good thing.

 

You were doing alright for yourself until you said that Edge is a draw. That's just goofy.

 

 

Hasn't it been proven that he is a draw?

[CanadianChick 0]

How is it goofy? Edge got the highest ratings as champion than anyone is quite some time. I believe his match against Flair has been the highest rated TV main event this year in the very least.

 

Anywho, it's a good pairing, but I'm not saying it's a good angle until I see the blow off. If Alex Shelley and whoever will put out Nash at the end are the only two getting over with this feud while the rest of the guys who are part of the angle look like small jobbers, blah. But hey, it's entertaining right now, and I like how no one is defending Nash on the show, if that makes sense.

[Angle-plex 0]

I don't own TNA so I'm not going to base how "good" a storyline is off of what it does for business but it's entertaining thus far and better than any WWE angle. Steiner vs Joe has also been built simply yet effective and better than any WWE match in a while.

[RedJed 0]

Steiner vs Joe has also been built simply yet effective and better than any WWE match in a while.

 

I definately agree with you there.

 

Regarding the topic at hand, I think the pairing is a good thing with Nash and Shelley (although Shelley was getting over before without Nash too) but I'm not as gung-ho about this angle as most of you. It just seems like its fucking up the whole X division concept/idea, with Nash constantly making a point to mention that small guys are worthless, blah blah blah. From a known name like Nash doing that, and not really being a full "hated" heel character, alot of people may take that theme and then treat the X division the same way Nash portrays it.

 

Also, another point in all of this is that the X division is supposed to be in reality, alot of different sized guys and not just "small guys." So why are they treating in the storyline the X division as a whole such AS that? Meaning on commentary, why doesnt Tenay at least say, "Well our X division champion certainly isnt 200 pounds, blah blah".

 

If Nash actually puts Sabin over clean, I'll eat some of these words, but I just dont see the aftermath of this angle really benefitting anyone but Nash.

[foleyfanforever88 0]

wrong folder?

[Scroby 0]

wrong folder?

 

Nope, he asked for people to compare WWE pairings against the pairing of Nash and Shelley. He could have posted it here or in the TNA folder, it doesn't matter.

[Star Ocean 3 0]

Steiner vs Joe has also been built simply yet effective and better than any WWE match in a while.

ter, alot of people may take that theme and then treat the X division the same way Nash portrays it.

 

Also, another point in all of this is that the X division is supposed to be in reality, alot of different sized guys and not just "small guys." So why are they treating in the storyline the X division as a whole such AS that? Meaning on commentary, why doesnt Tenay at least say, "Well our X division champion certainly isnt 200 pounds, blah blah".

 

 

Samoa Joe is the X champ and is over 200 pounds.

[Guest Princess Leena]

There's not much doubt the Nash/Shelley stuff is funnier than anything WWE has put out in a while... but, that's not saying much.

 

I share Jed's views on Nash's portrayal of the X-Division, though. It's a horrible move by TNA... because however the angle ends up, Nash is a name and person that many fans know, and many of those casual fans will go along with what Nash is saying. The X-Division is undoubtedly TNA's biggest asset, and they have to do whatever to make it look strong, not get cute like this.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

If you saw the TNA show tonight then you know what many already know: They are the team. Shelley telling Nash backstage that he almost got knifed and saw dudes pull out their gats.......brilliant.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

How is it goofy? Edge got the highest ratings as champion than anyone is quite some time. I believe his match against Flair has been the highest rated TV main event this year in the very least.

 

Anywho, it's a good pairing, but I'm not saying it's a good angle until I see the blow off. If Alex Shelley and whoever will put out Nash at the end are the only two getting over with this feud while the rest of the guys who are part of the angle look like small jobbers, blah. But hey, it's entertaining right now, and I like how no one is defending Nash on the show, if that makes sense.

 

Ratings and being a draw are two different things and to be quite honest, Danny Basham could've taken the title off of Cena and everybody still would've tuned in to see him. It wasn't about Edge, it was about seeing somebody not named John Cena as champ. The Flair match did well because people wanted to see a spotfest. Still isn't really proof that Edge is a draw.

[Angle-plex 0]

Plus wasn't Edge's "ratings draw" reign right when the road to WrestleMania began?

[RedJed 0]

Steiner vs Joe has also been built simply yet effective and better than any WWE match in a while.

ter, alot of people may take that theme and then treat the X division the same way Nash portrays it.

 

Also, another point in all of this is that the X division is supposed to be in reality, alot of different sized guys and not just "small guys." So why are they treating in the storyline the X division as a whole such AS that? Meaning on commentary, why doesnt Tenay at least say, "Well our X division champion certainly isnt 200 pounds, blah blah".

 

 

Samoa Joe is the X champ and is over 200 pounds.

 

Thats my point.........why is TNA allowing Nash to portray the whole division as 200 lb guys only when their champ is Samoa F'n Joe?!!! Why doesnt Tenay point this out when Nash constantly rips on what is now being percieved as a straight up cruiserweight division, even though the champ is clearly not that. Its like TNA WANTS the division to be that narrow minded as Nash proclains. Ya know?

 

For what its worth, I have yet to see the ppv tonight, but also if Sabin doesnt go over, this shit isnt going to get any better. Only hope is Joe literally squashing Nash on an episode of Impact.