Big Ol' Smitty Posted July 19, 2006 Report Posted July 19, 2006 Senate OKs expansion of stem cell research Vote, 63-37, not enough to override promised presidential veto WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Senate voted Tuesday after two days of emotional debate to expand federal funding of embryonic stem cell research, sending the measure to President Bush for a promised veto, the first of his presidency. The bill passed 63-37, four votes short of the two-thirds majority that would be needed to override Bush's veto. The president left little doubt he would reject the bill despite late appeals on its behalf from fellow Republicans Nancy Reagan and Arnold Schwarzenegger. "The simple answer is he thinks murder's wrong," said White House spokesman Tony Snow. "The president is not going to get on the slippery slope of taking something living and making it dead for the purposes of scientific research." Senate supporters of the bill likened that logic to opposition suffered by Galileo, Christopher Columbus and others who were rebuked in their time but vindicated later. Polls show as much as 70 percent public support for embryonic stem cell research... http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/07/18/con...s.ap/index.html
SuperJerk Posted July 19, 2006 Report Posted July 19, 2006 "The simple answer is he thinks murder's wrong," said White House spokesman Tony Snow. "The president is not going to get on the slippery slope of taking something living and making it dead for the purposes of scientific research." That's a division fallacy. He's assuming the qualities of the whole are equal to the parts (i.e. that killing a human and killing human cells are the same thing).
Guest wildpegasus Posted July 19, 2006 Report Posted July 19, 2006 Bush is a hundred percent correct on this. Good for him.
SuperJerk Posted July 19, 2006 Report Posted July 19, 2006 Using that logic, Bush commits murder every time he gets a hair cut.
Guest Felonies! Posted July 19, 2006 Report Posted July 19, 2006 I'm not entirely certain that's the case, but okay. Whatever, if 70% of the country wants to fund stem cell research, then go for it.
Dobbs 3K Posted July 19, 2006 Report Posted July 19, 2006 I don't know. I keep hearing they can get the same results from adult stem cells without killing anything, so I see the argument there.
dubq Posted July 19, 2006 Report Posted July 19, 2006 Using that logic, Bush commits murder every time he gets a hair cut. Mowing the lawn is also murder.
snuffbox Posted July 19, 2006 Report Posted July 19, 2006 We need strict veganism to be the law in the USA.
CanadianChris Posted July 19, 2006 Report Posted July 19, 2006 We need strict fruitarianism to be the law in the USA. Fixed. Wouldn't want to be killing those carrots by pulling them out of the ground, now.
snuffbox Posted July 19, 2006 Report Posted July 19, 2006 No bread either...or ketchup...or mustard...no more cotton clothing...
dubq Posted July 19, 2006 Report Posted July 19, 2006 Don't breathe, either. You might be killing tiny molecules floating around in the air.
snuffbox Posted July 19, 2006 Report Posted July 19, 2006 Then we'd be killing ourselves! What a conundrum! We need our President to solve this terrible riddle...
Guest Felonies! Posted July 19, 2006 Report Posted July 19, 2006 We're just passin' the ol' Sledgehammer of Sarcasm around this morning, aren't we.
snuffbox Posted July 19, 2006 Report Posted July 19, 2006 Yes, and it's your turn Czech. After you, HHH.
Dobbs 3K Posted July 19, 2006 Report Posted July 19, 2006 Serious discussion, as per usual. There, that was my turn.
Dr. Tyler; Captain America Posted July 19, 2006 Report Posted July 19, 2006 Just because 70 percent of the country agrees with something, doesn't mean it should become policy. That being said, this is one of the rare issues about which Bush isn't so concerned about what's good for the party as much as he's just showing his personal conviction. You could argue that he's trying to solidify the religious right base for the Republicans to keep Congress in '06, but that's sort of screwed up by the fact that many Republicans voted for this, too. Still, good for him. I think he's an utter moron for vetoing this, but at least he stood by his convictions for once.
Dr. Tyler; Captain America Posted July 19, 2006 Report Posted July 19, 2006 The funny thing about this issue, though, is that the bill only allows couples who froze embryos for fertility purposes to donate them to science instead of destroying them. Either way, the cells are going to be destroyed. This is a symbolic action, and a retarded one. But at least he's standing by his own symbolic, retarded convictions.
Gary Floyd Posted July 19, 2006 Report Posted July 19, 2006 So, I take it shaving is murder too? Because if so, HOW COULD I?!?!?! Christ, I hate Bush.
snuffbox Posted July 19, 2006 Report Posted July 19, 2006 Yes, if there's one thing I want out of my President...its sticking to retarded personal convictions. If Bush were Prez in 1974, Barry Goldwater would have thrown him through a window.
Dobbs 3K Posted July 19, 2006 Report Posted July 19, 2006 The thing is...I kind of agree that the government doesn't need to be funding this. Funding should come from the private sector for medical research.
Dr. Tyler; Captain America Posted July 19, 2006 Report Posted July 19, 2006 It's better than him being a wishy-washy hack, as he's been for most of his administration.
Gary Floyd Posted July 19, 2006 Report Posted July 19, 2006 Yes, if there's one thing I want out of my President...its sticking to retarded personal convictions. If Bush were Prez in 1974, Barry Goldwater would have thrown him through a window. This is one of the things i hate the most about Bush: He can't get his head out of his ass when it comes to his personal convictions and religious beliefs. Because of that, we a seeing a slowing down of any serious progress.
EricMM Posted July 19, 2006 Report Posted July 19, 2006 This is a better investment than fucking NASA. I hate how bush will nix this but try to get someone to fucking Mars. What the fuck is on Mars?
snuffbox Posted July 19, 2006 Report Posted July 19, 2006 The thing is...I kind of agree that the government doesn't need to be funding this. Funding should come from the private sector for medical research. Which would also be vetoed...conservatism, babay!
NoCalMike Posted July 19, 2006 Report Posted July 19, 2006 Aren't there super-agraculture companies that are basically patenting life already? They are basically deciding which breed of fruit and vegetable can be grown and used and which will sit on a shelf never to see the light of day again? People say the next step is viruses and medications.....to me that is a lot more dangerous then the fallacy of "human cloning ahhhhh" slippery slope arguments.
bobobrazil1984 Posted July 19, 2006 Report Posted July 19, 2006 That would be great if the private sector was, you know, ABLE TO DO SO. I noticed that the vote count was pretty strong, rather than splitting down party lines? So this is gonna be the first veto. Joy. Thanks George, really, thanks.
snuffbox Posted July 19, 2006 Report Posted July 19, 2006 America would twist an ankle on a slippery slope if it weren't for this administration.
SuperJerk Posted July 19, 2006 Report Posted July 19, 2006 The funny thing about this issue, though, is that the bill only allows couples who froze embryos for fertility purposes to donate them to science instead of destroying them. Either way, the cells are going to be destroyed. This is a symbolic action, and a retarded one. But at least he's standing by his own symbolic, retarded convictions. I doubt Bush read the bill.
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