EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2006 If anything, I don't get the timing of the deal. Aren't these types of deals (so-called "salary dumps") more suited for the offseason? I mean, Abreu could have helped a TON of teams offensively and the Phils could have gotten a lot better return in terms of prospects. Why do this now and not wait until the offseason and get basically the same deal (or possibly better)? It's possible that Gillick felt this put the most pressure on the Yankees. If he waited until the offseason the Yankees could sign Carlos Lee or Alfonso Soriano instead. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Precious Roy 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2006 Cardinals traded Hector Luna to Cleveland for Ronnie Belliard. Good deal, especially if they can re-sign him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DerangedHermit 0 Report post Posted July 31, 2006 I am a NY Knicks and Rangers fan. Would you like to meet Glen Sather and Isiah Thomas??? Not even the worst in NY...have you met Chuckie Wang and his right-hand man Mad Mike Milbury? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
naiwf 0 Report post Posted July 31, 2006 But the Islanders are from Long Island so they don't count. The Knicks and Rangers play in the MECCA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NYankees Report post Posted July 31, 2006 I am a NY Knicks and Rangers fan. Would you like to meet Glen Sather and Isiah Thomas??? Not even the worst in NY...have you met Chuckie Wang and his right-hand man Mad Mike Milbury? How can you hate a team that hires the backup goalie to be the gm? I didn't mention the Islanders because they won 4 straight cups and went to 5 in the early to mid 80's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NYankees Report post Posted July 31, 2006 Can anyone put a positive Philly spin on the trade? Anyone? Sure. I'm intrigued by the last two prospects in the trade. Jesus Sanchez is an 18 year old catcher with a .343 OBP in the Gulf Coast League. Henry's raw but he's certainly athletic. He hasn't bombed quite like Greg Golson. The only piece that puzzles me is Matt Henry. What does he offer that Eude Brito doesn't? David Dellucci's a pretty good hitter and will provide about 70% of the production Abreu did. This trade depends on whether or not a prospect pans out, and whether the Phils get ahold of Aubrey Huff this offseason. Two years from now, it's a good deal. Much thanks to Ed Wade for handing out those full no-trade clauses to Abreu and Burrell when he was extending their contracts. May you get avian flu, a ton of STDs, and die Ed. Let's review. The Phillies in 1998 were 75-87, and their best prospect was some scrub named Ryan Brannan. Seven years later, the Phils finished above .500 four out of five years, and had drafted and developed Chase Utley, Jimmy Rollins, Ryan Howard, Pat Burrell, and traded their middling shortstop for Bobby Abreu. Ed's really a good guy, and it's a shame he gets so much crap. Especially considering he built a winning team! I see that you got stumped and couldn't remember Kevin Stocker. It's ok Al. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted July 31, 2006 I see that you got stumped and couldn't remember Kevin Stocker. It's ok Al. I knew the name. I just figured most people wouldn't have an image of Kevin Stocker in their mind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted July 31, 2006 What are your thoughts on the trade al? I saw your positive spin on it, but your overall impression. Kind of surprised to see it go from Milledge is acceptable and you wouldn't do Hughes, to not being ticked at this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted July 31, 2006 What are your thoughts on the trade al? I saw your positive spin on it, but your overall impression. Kind of surprised to see it go from Milledge is acceptable and you wouldn't do Hughes, to not being ticked at this. I guess I've become resigned to it. I should be angry, and in a way I am. But I'm not frothing at the bit. This is NOT a good trade for the Phillies. It's awful. CJ Henry is a nice piece, presuming we're starting a basketball team. Matt Smith will fit well with the other four lefty relievers on our staff. The other two JUST missed out Baseball America's list of the top 55 Yankee prospects. Hmm, amazing what a little ranting will do. If nothing else, this gives me a chance to do the long needed revamp of the Bobby Abreu Appreciation Society. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Felonies! Report post Posted July 31, 2006 But the Islanders are from Long Island so they don't count. The Knicks and Rangers play in the MECCA. No, the MECCA is where the Bucks used to play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jwest27 0 Report post Posted July 31, 2006 Cardinals traded Hector Luna to Cleveland for Ronnie Belliard. Good deal, especially if they can re-sign him. Without looking at the numbers, I like this trade. If only because I find Ronnie Belliard's "Mini-Manny" demeanor to be entertaining. Could someone tell me how Belliard is defensively? I don't really watch many Indian games, I guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NYankees Report post Posted July 31, 2006 Steve Phillips was mentioning some rumors during the Red Sox/Angles game but I didn't hear them. Can anyone please post what he was talking about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted July 31, 2006 Hank Blalock for Brad Lidge and then Houston would turn around and do Morgan Ensberg for Scott Linebrink Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goldengreek 0 Report post Posted July 31, 2006 But it gives them a great plan-B should Matsui and/or Sheffield can't fully come back from their injuries (which is a valid concern. Derek Lee, anyone?) Lidle's a throwaway piece because I don't trust ANY NL pitcher moving to the AL in mid-season. He'll eat up some innings, but he's gonna get rocked more often than not. D. Lee is not going anywhere!!!! Keep dreaming. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bruiser Chong 0 Report post Posted July 31, 2006 But it gives them a great plan-B should Matsui and/or Sheffield can't fully come back from their injuries (which is a valid concern. Derek Lee, anyone?) Lidle's a throwaway piece because I don't trust ANY NL pitcher moving to the AL in mid-season. He'll eat up some innings, but he's gonna get rocked more often than not. D. Lee is not going anywhere!!!! Keep dreaming. *makes hand wooshing over head motion* Hank Blalock for Brad Lidge and then Houston would turn around and do Morgan Ensberg for Scott Linebrink I'm amused Houston's supposedly so eager to dump their second best hitter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goldengreek 0 Report post Posted July 31, 2006 Hank Blalock for Brad Lidge and then Houston would turn around and do Morgan Ensberg for Scott Linebrink Is the Texas G.M. smoking crack? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bruiser Chong 0 Report post Posted July 31, 2006 Hank Blalock for Brad Lidge and then Houston would turn around and do Morgan Ensberg for Scott Linebrink Is the Texas G.M. smoking crack? Lidge has had issues and may never be the same guy we saw in 2004 and most of 2005, but Hank Blalock's right up there with Soriano in terms of overrated guys in baseball. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goldengreek 0 Report post Posted July 31, 2006 But it gives them a great plan-B should Matsui and/or Sheffield can't fully come back from their injuries (which is a valid concern. Derek Lee, anyone?) Lidle's a throwaway piece because I don't trust ANY NL pitcher moving to the AL in mid-season. He'll eat up some innings, but he's gonna get rocked more often than not. D. Lee is not going anywhere!!!! Keep dreaming. *makes hand wooshing over head motion* WHAT DO YOU MEAN? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted July 31, 2006 I DON'T KNOOOOW Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USC Wuz Robbed! 0 Report post Posted July 31, 2006 But it gives them a great plan-B should Matsui and/or Sheffield can't fully come back from their injuries (which is a valid concern. Derek Lee, anyone?) Lidle's a throwaway piece because I don't trust ANY NL pitcher moving to the AL in mid-season. He'll eat up some innings, but he's gonna get rocked more often than not. D. Lee is not going anywhere!!!! Keep dreaming. *makes hand wooshing over head motion* WHAT DO YOU MEAN? Because you completely missed the point of the original post. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vivalaultra 0 Report post Posted July 31, 2006 Hank Blalock for Brad Lidge and then Houston would turn around and do Morgan Ensberg for Scott Linebrink Yeah...cuz that's just what the Astros need...another 3rd baseman having an off year. If Houston did do that trade, we'd still have too many corner infielders-Berkman, Huff, Lamb, Blalock/Ensberg... If Lidge is dealt, it should be to Baltimore. If one man can fix him, it's Leo Mazzone. Look at what he did for Russ Ortiz that one year... Lidge would be better in the AL. There he wouldn't have to deal with Pujols...or Aaron Miles. I just finished reading the most ludicrous thing I've read concerning the Astros trade speculation. Some Baltimore writer had an article saying that up until last nite, the deal was Miguel Tejada for Oswalt/Lidge/Everett/prospect. Trading Oswalt for Tejada would be like trading Santa Claus for the Easter Bunny. I mean, the Easter Bunny's nice and all, but...who the Hell likes Easter more than Christmas? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USC Wuz Robbed! 0 Report post Posted July 31, 2006 If Lidge is dealt, it should be to Baltimore. If one man can fix him, it's Leo Mazzone. Look at what he did for Russ Ortiz that one year... Lidge would be better in the AL. There he wouldn't have to deal with Pujols...or Aaron Miles. No, he'd just have to deal with guys like David Ortiz, Manny Ramirez, Jason Giambi, A-Rod, Jim Thome, and more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NYankees Report post Posted July 31, 2006 Baltimore Sun had an article of Oswalt for Tejada. http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/basebal...ports-headlines Astros have pulled Oswalt from all trade talks. There was a rumor of Oswalt, Ensberg and Everett for Tejada earlier today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vivalaultra 0 Report post Posted July 31, 2006 If Lidge is dealt, it should be to Baltimore. If one man can fix him, it's Leo Mazzone. Look at what he did for Russ Ortiz that one year... Lidge would be better in the AL. There he wouldn't have to deal with Pujols...or Aaron Miles. No, he'd just have to deal with guys like David Ortiz, Manny Ramirez, Jason Giambi, A-Rod, Jim Thome, and more. Surely David Ortiz isn't as good a hitter as Aaron Miles. The new "StarkMarket" report says that a *ahem* Berkman/Lidge/Oswalt for Tejada deal was discussed. God, I hope that wasn't even discussed. If Oswalt or Berkman are traded for anybody, I'm gonna give up on baseball and be a Houston Dynamo fan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NYankees Report post Posted July 31, 2006 If Lidge is dealt, it should be to Baltimore. If one man can fix him, it's Leo Mazzone. Look at what he did for Russ Ortiz that one year... Lidge would be better in the AL. There he wouldn't have to deal with Pujols...or Aaron Miles. No, he'd just have to deal with guys like David Ortiz, Manny Ramirez, Jason Giambi, A-Rod, Jim Thome, and more. Surely David Ortiz isn't as good a hitter as Aaron Miles. The new "StarkMarket" report says that a *ahem* Berkman/Lidge/Oswalt for Tejada deal was discussed. God, I hope that wasn't even discussed. If Oswalt or Berkman are traded for anybody, I'm gonna give up on baseball and be a Houston Dynamo fan. Are you fucking kidding me??? Who the hell would give up an all star closer, all star player and an all star number 1 starter for Tejada. Thats like trading 3 million dollars and getting 1 million in return. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vivalaultra 0 Report post Posted July 31, 2006 If Lidge is dealt, it should be to Baltimore. If one man can fix him, it's Leo Mazzone. Look at what he did for Russ Ortiz that one year... Lidge would be better in the AL. There he wouldn't have to deal with Pujols...or Aaron Miles. No, he'd just have to deal with guys like David Ortiz, Manny Ramirez, Jason Giambi, A-Rod, Jim Thome, and more. Surely David Ortiz isn't as good a hitter as Aaron Miles. The new "StarkMarket" report says that a *ahem* Berkman/Lidge/Oswalt for Tejada deal was discussed. God, I hope that wasn't even discussed. If Oswalt or Berkman are traded for anybody, I'm gonna give up on baseball and be a Houston Dynamo fan. Are you fucking kidding me??? Who the hell would give up an all star closer, all star player and an all star number 1 starter for Tejada. Thats like trading 3 million dollars and getting 1 million in return. Here is the Stark Market report form ESPN.com. It was just updated: Link: ttp://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/insider/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=2522380 3 Miguel Tejada, Orioles SS 2 Miguel TejadaMARKET REPORT By late Sunday night, the Orioles had next to nothing in the works for Tejada. But if they don't trade him, it won't be because they didn't have some fascinating names thrown at them. Teams that have spoken with them say they actually discussed Roy Oswalt, Lance Berkman and Brad Lidge with the Astros, for instance. Oswalt apparently would have been viewed as the centerpiece of that deal. But because he was a year away from free agency, the Orioles then tried shopping him around to see if he (and possibly Lidge) could be spun into an even younger, bigger package. ...Looking at it now, I guess that it probably means seperate deals for Oswalt, Berkman, and Lidge, and not all three. But even Oswalt for Tejada or Berkman for Tejada would be terrible. If the Astros are gonna be sellers, be sellers, but do it within reason...I mean...yeesh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NYankees Report post Posted July 31, 2006 There is a rumor from sonsofsamhorn.com of Mark Loretta for Lugo of the Devil Rays. Take that for what it's worth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bruiser Chong 0 Report post Posted July 31, 2006 The chances of Maddux being dealt are looking slim now, since now suitable package has been offered to Jim Hendry. Todd Walker's still the most likely Cub to be traded, although there isn't much interest in him. If they're just gonna fill Neifi in his spot, there's no sense in trading him, especially when they won't get much in return. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest StylesMark Report post Posted July 31, 2006 Any of those Astros/O's deals would have been ridiculous for the Astros. Time to leave town, NOW, Roger. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KingPK 0 Report post Posted July 31, 2006 But it gives them a great plan-B should Matsui and/or Sheffield can't fully come back from their injuries (which is a valid concern. Derek Lee, anyone?) Lidle's a throwaway piece because I don't trust ANY NL pitcher moving to the AL in mid-season. He'll eat up some innings, but he's gonna get rocked more often than not. D. Lee is not going anywhere!!!! Keep dreaming. *makes hand wooshing over head motion* WHAT DO YOU MEAN? Because you completely missed the point of the original post. Lee had a wrist injury, came back and had to go back on the DL.......both Sheffield and Matsui are coming off wrist injuries....... Sinking in yet? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
