Guest NYankees Report post Posted July 30, 2006 On the Cubs postgame show they were saying that Maddux is basically gone, but didn't divulge any further details. I heard the other day that Tom Glavine was pushing for Greg Maddux to go to the Mets. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NYankees Report post Posted July 30, 2006 Now class, I don't think these fine young individuals would appreciate the rumors you are spreading about them. A week's detention for all of you! Wow that was a quick ban. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2006 I wonder if anyone has actually talked to Abreu to see what it would take to wave his NTC. Everyone talking head says he would definitely want the extension picked up, yet only one person has actually quoted him (Randy Miller, local beat write) about the issue and Abreu seemed open to lowering his expectations depending on where he would be going. Given he has a house in NY, you would think that the Yankees would be one of his higher choices. Maybe all it would take to send him to the Yankees would be to give him a few million to buy out the NTC (have to give him something to pacify the union). Then all of a sudden there isn't the panic about having to pick up 18 mil in 08 and a deal could be much simpler. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2006 Jayson Stark is reporting that an Abreu to the Yankees trade is almost done, with the Phillies getting prospects not named Philip Hughes or Jose Tabata. Stark namedropped shortstop CJ Wilson and pitcher Steven White. It would be nice if Stark would double check his reports and realize that the Yankees' prospect is CJ Henry, and that CJ Wilson is the Rangers' pitching prospect. It would also be nice if the prospects had any appreciable baseball ability. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2006 Yeah, that rumor made me long for the Clippard,Duncan,Proctor and Cabrera for Lidle/Abreu rumor. Even though I am not a fan of that one, at least something resembling talent is coming back. Especially given reports of how Boston and the two NY teams don't need to pick up the option for Abreu to waive his NTC. There is no excuse for not getting quality back from those teams now. Wow, CJ Henry, it's like Greg Golson in SS flavor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NYankees Report post Posted July 30, 2006 Yeah, that rumor made me long for the Clippard,Duncan,Proctor and Cabrera for Lidle/Abreu rumor. Even though I am not a fan of that one, at least something resembling talent is coming back. Especially given reports of how Boston and the two NY teams don't need to pick up the option for Abreu to waive his NTC. There is no excuse for not getting quality back from those teams now. Wow, CJ Henry, it's like Greg Golson in SS flavor. Misread your post. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cartman 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2006 Yeah, that rumor made me long for the Clippard,Duncan,Proctor and Cabrera for Lidle/Abreu rumor. Even though I am not a fan of that one, at least something resembling talent is coming back. Especially given reports of how Boston and the two NY teams don't need to pick up the option for Abreu to waive his NTC. There is no excuse for not getting quality back from those teams now. Wow, CJ Henry, it's like Greg Golson in SS flavor. OMG that is a horrible trade. I dont think any Yankee fan wants Abreu on the team. Plus if they get rid of Proctor thats another hole in a weak bullpen. wha... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2006 Someone really has to explain to me why Scott Proctor is some desired trading chip. He's 29 and in his career year, he has a 4.08 ERA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2006 According to the Phillies pre-game show Abreu has been pulled from the lineup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2006 "Wrong Hole" Buster is reporting a tentative deal with the Yankees is in place which would include Cory Lidle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2006 God I am going to be sick until they announce what is coming back. They're killing me here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2006 The Philadelphia Phillies and New York Yankees have a tentative deal to send Phillies right fiedler Bobby Abreu and pitcher Cory Lidle to New York ESPN.com's Buster Olney reported Sunday. The teams had yet to decide which players or prospects will go from the Yankees to Philadelphia, Olney reported. Abreu is hitting .277 with 8 home runs and 65 RBI in 99 games. He has a career batting average of .301 with 198 home runs and 841 RBI over 10 seasons. Lidle, a right-hander, is 8-7 with a 4.74 ERA in 21 starts in 2006. In eight seasons he has a career mark of 78-69 with a 4.54 ERA. Abreu was in the Phillies' starting lineup Sunday but was pulled for Shane Victorino 10 minutes before their game with the Florida Marlins. I hate the Yankees Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the max 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2006 Fuck you Phillies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2006 The tone of Olney's bit about Burrell saying no to Baltimore twisting their arm into moving Abreu is what has me really nervous right now. Hopefully he was just overstating, but since they are talking about a tentative deal now there is at least some actual information floating at this point. ESPN.com's Jayson Stark reported the Yankees will send 18-year-old minor-league shrotstop C.J. Henry -- their No. 1 pick in 2005 -- and 27-year-old left-handed reliever Matt Smith. The Phillies will also pick one other minor-leauge player from an agreed-upon list, while the Yankees will take on responsibility for Abreu and Lidle's contracts. Where is hanging oneself smiley face when you need one? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Precious Roy 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2006 Haha, I thought Scott Proctor was the centerpiece of the deal. This is even better! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Annabelle 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2006 Fuck you Phillies. oh quit crying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted July 30, 2006 That deal is sad. Not because it's the Yankees getting him, but because the Phillies are trading Abreu for jack shit. Is that how you start a rebuild, by trading your best players for nothing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2006 Honestly, if this is the deal and the list doesn't include a choice of Hughes/Tabata/Clippard/Duncan then it puts anything Wade did to shame. Even if Clippard and Duncan are on the list it is still awful. To go into the trade deadline with a player of Abreu's caliber and the best pitcher on the market and come out with this is just......I really can't think of a bad enough word. They still probably have to move Dellucci to come out of this trading season with something of real value. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2006 Besides the fact Henry is 20, not 18. 18 and not hitting in the Sally league is workable, 20 and not hitting is not. I apologize to everyone for having a bit of a freak out here but well yeah. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Precious Roy 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2006 That deal is sad. Not because it's the Yankees getting him, but because the Phillies are trading Abreu for jack shit. Is that how you start a rebuild, by trading your best players for nothing? Henry isn't nothing. But the idea looks to be to dump the contracts with a clean break. They probably got slightly better offers prospect wise from other teams, but would have had to pick up too much of the money. Seems reasonable to me. But I'm horribly biased. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2006 The salary dump concept is ridiculous. a.) This is not a small market team, they can afford his salary b.) Gillick himself has said he does not believe in big money to FA pitchers (so no Zitos coming here). So the whole idea of "well he is really trading Abreu for the ace he will sign this offseason" is faulty. c.) Abreu is better than any position player who is going to be on the FA market this year anyway. So it would be pointless savings Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2006 Phillies three-phase business plan: 1. Trade Bobby Abreu 2. ??? 3. Profit! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2006 So Bored, what is your sales pitch on becoming an Athletics fan, as I may be looking for a new team. Hell, I am kind of hoping for al to talk me off the ledge here, but he may be on his way to CBP at this point with a sawnoff looking for Gillick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tominator89 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2006 Abreu is in the dugout saying goodbye to everyone Also, Utley's hitting streak is at 30. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tominator89 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2006 Yanks, Phils reach tentative deal for Abreu Ken Rosenthal / FOXSports.com Posted: 2 minutes ago The Yankees and Phillies have reached a tentative deal that would send right fielder Bobby Abreu to New York. The Yankees would get Abreu and right-hander Cory Lidle in the deal. In return, the Phillies will get four minor leaguers — Class A shortstop C.J. Henry, the Yankees' first pick in the 2005 draft, Class AAA left-hander Matt Smith and two others. In addition, the Yankees are expected to pick up the remainder of the roughly $19 million owed to Abreu, who was slated to be in the starting lineup for Sunday's game against the Marlins but was a last-minute scratch. Abreu, 32, has given assurances that he will waive his no-trade clause for the Yankees, presumably in exchange for the exercising of his $16 million option for 2008. The Abreu deal with the Yankees, when completed, likely would be perceived as a massive salary dump by the Phillies. Neither of the Yankees' top prospects, Class AA right-hander Philip Hughes nor Class A outfielder Jose Tabata, will be included in the trade. With the deal, the Phillies would clear approximately $20 million in payroll. Abreu, 32, is owed more than $4 million this season and $15 million next season. In exchange for Abreu waiving his no-trade clause, the Yankees are expected to exercise his $16 million option for 2008. Lidle, 34, is owed nearly $1.5 million, and will be a free agent at the end of the season. The Phillies are expected to move several other players in addition to Abreu, including right-handed starter Jon Lieber and left-handed reliever Arthur Rhodes. They have been unable to find a taker for left fielder Pat Burrell, who, like Abreu, has a large salary and no-trade clause. Now that the Phillies have apparenlty traded Abreu, they are likely to keep outfielder David Dellucci, then attempt to re-sign him as a free agent. Dellucci, batting .311 in a reserve role, has been the Philadelphia player most in demand on the trade market due to his pending free agency and modest $950,000 salary. The Phillies' motivations for trading Abreu and others would be to change their chemistry and gain significant financial flexibility. During his tenure with the Mariners, Phillies general manager Pat Gillick traded outfielder Ken Griffey Jr. after the 1999 season and lost shortstop Alex Rodriguez as a free agent the following year. Gillick kept the team strong by reallocating the team's resources, gaining the rights to Japanese right fielder Ichiro Suzuki and acquiring several lesser veterans, building the 2001 Mariners into a 116-win juggernaut. Source: http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5829932 According to this report, the Phillies will get two more minor league players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Princess Leena Report post Posted July 30, 2006 Become a D-Backs fan. We need them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2006 Ok if the deal includes both Clippard and Duncan and they haven't announced it yet as their game in Trenton is still going then it is still awful but a little more reasonable. Edit: the other two players from the GCL C Jesus Sanchez RHP Carlos Monasterios ugh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
therealworldschampion 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2006 Shit, I wanted Duncan and Clippard in the deal. To make it worse, I bet Eskin will be in all of his glory tomorrow afternoon on WIP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted July 30, 2006 I don't know, even the Abreu "haters" seem to realize that Gillick got completely ass reamed here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NYankees Report post Posted July 30, 2006 Ok if the deal includes both Clippard and Duncan and they haven't announced it yet as their game in Trenton is still going then it is still awful but a little more reasonable. Edit: the other two players from the GCL C Jesus Sanchez RHP Carlos Monasterios ugh How the fuck can you complain about the trade when the Yankees traded Jesus for Abreu? God you Phillies fans are never satisfied. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
