Lord of The Curry 0 Report post Posted August 11, 2006 "It appears the much-anticipated mixed martial arts bout between rival champions Chuck Liddell and Wanderlei Silva, scheduled for November, might be off. "I don't even know if Silva's going to happen," said Dana White, president of the Ultimate Fighting Championship. He cited problems in dealing with the Japan-based Pride Fighting Championships that is home to Silva. White said UFC 65 will instead probably feature Liddell against Tito Ortiz in a rematch of UFC 47 in 2004. The Liddell-Silva bout was considered a blockbuster matchup, finally bringing the rival UFC and Pride organizations together Liddell (18-3-0) is the current UFC light-heavyweight champion at 205 lb." Calgary Sun Article I knew this was too good to be true. The supposed 3-fight deal Wandy had signed with UFC was the tip-off here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AboveAverage484 0 Report post Posted August 11, 2006 Thanks for the news, but not really surprising at all, especially considering the amount of people who seemd to believe 100% this was going to happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lt. Al Giardello 0 Report post Posted August 11, 2006 Worst News of all time! Why? How come it's not on the UFC page?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AboveAverage484 0 Report post Posted August 11, 2006 Well the Calgary Sun isn't exactly the first place I get my news from, but it's bound to pop up on the 'Dog, MMAWeekly, or Kakutougi sooner or later. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lt. Al Giardello 0 Report post Posted August 11, 2006 Well the Calgary Sun isn't exactly the first place I get my news from, but it's bound to pop up on the 'Dog, MMAWeekly, or Kakutougi sooner or later. I LIVE in Calgary. And they are not the best newspaper in the city. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted August 11, 2006 Eh, who cares. It was going to be a good, fresh fight and all, but we all knew the fight was near doom from them minute it was announced. It was contingent on Wand and Chuck staying injury free, neither guy getting torn up in their respective matches (and two possible chances for that with Wand) as well neither sides ego's or sensibilities getting in the way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darthtiki 0 Report post Posted August 13, 2006 Plus the rumored replacement of Chuck/Tito 2 is kind of doubtful according to the latest (8/10) Orange County Register MMA Column: It looks like the third fight between Tito Ortiz of Huntington Beach and Ken Shamrock could land on Spike TV’s “UFC Fight Night 7” on Oct. 10 at Seminole Hard Rock Hotel & Casino in Hollywood, Fla. ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DRH 502 Report post Posted August 13, 2006 Yeah that fight will definately wear Tito down. I dont' think he'll be in any shape to fight for at least 45 minutes after that one... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
starvenger 0 Report post Posted August 13, 2006 Well the Calgary Sun isn't exactly the first place I get my news from, but it's bound to pop up on the 'Dog, MMAWeekly, or Kakutougi sooner or later. I LIVE in Calgary. And they are not the best newspaper in the city. I'm sure it isn't. The <insert city here> Sun is pretty synonymous with "crap" in Canada... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darthtiki 0 Report post Posted August 13, 2006 Yeah that fight will definately wear Tito down. I dont' think he'll be in any shape to fight for at least 45 minutes after that one... Good point Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cameron chaos 0 Report post Posted August 13, 2006 Apparently the negotiations are currently off because UFC does not want to match PRIDE's fight purse for Wand and PRIDE wants a cut of the PPV revenue. Dana basically announced the fight while negotiations were ongoing. If Wand is healthy after the OWGP he's likely to be used for PRIDE's USA debut now. I think Dana basically jumped the gun by announcing the match up before contracts had been signed and also shot himself in the foot by doing so. I can't really blame PRIDE for wanting a decent amount of money for their MW champion to compete and for themselves considering the financial setback of losing their Japanese TV deal with Fuji TV. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Your Paragon of Virtue 0 Report post Posted August 14, 2006 Dana White finally falls flat on his face after being "So hot right now" for so long. I expect a bunch of SD posts to claim that Dana is scurred of Wanderlei. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
randomguy 0 Report post Posted August 14, 2006 Well that sucks. As far as Tito vs. Ken goes, they need to give this thing a rest. I like Shamrock but he is done, and has been for years. These fights serve no purpose - there is almost no chance Shammy can win and if he does win it makes Tito look awful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Buzz 0 Report post Posted August 14, 2006 I'd love to see Shamrock just beat the everloving shit out of Tito, simply because he's the underdog and I think Tito comes off like a pompous ass moreso than Shamrock. Too bad I'll never see it happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cameron chaos 0 Report post Posted August 15, 2006 It seems Dana wanted PRIDE to pay half of Wand's salary and PRIDE basically have said "If he is on your show, you should pay him. We paid for your fighters to appear on our shows, you should pay for ours to appear on your show. Why should we pay half his wage when he is not fighting on our show and you are the one who wanted to book the fight?" Apparently UFC wouldn't book Baroni against Rich Franklin which has also annoyed PRIDE since they are risking the reputation of one of their champions but UFC is unwilling to risk the reputation of Franklin even in a non title match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DRH 502 Report post Posted August 16, 2006 I expect a bunch of SD posts to claim that Dana is scurred of Wanderlei. Yes and lots of "nuthugging" and "Rickson by Armbar" at random and obscure moments. I hate that place. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Youth N Asia 0 Report post Posted August 16, 2006 I was thinking that Tito was a major dick and Ken was all respectable and whatnot, but TUF 3 really put Tito in a better light and now I think most people would like to see him beat up on Ken. Shamrock's done, once they figure out that there's not money to be made with him they'll cut him off. And what can Ken say to hype the fight? Of course you're supposed to talk about beating up the guy, but he's gotten his ass kicked twice now by him and hasn't looked good in years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DRH 502 Report post Posted August 16, 2006 I have no clue why he continues to embarrass himself. If he retired 5 years ago he would have had a somewhat decent record and been looked at in a much higher regard than he is now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Youth N Asia 0 Report post Posted August 16, 2006 Ken is 2-6 in his last 8 fights. And his losses to Tito, Fry, Franklin, Fujita...hell, all of his recient losses have been embarassing. And one of those wins was to a guy named Sam Atkins, who has a record of 7-15 or something. After Tito puts him away again I just hope he's gone Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Your Paragon of Virtue 0 Report post Posted August 17, 2006 I just realized the one good thing about this fight being off. I can cheer for Babalu again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
randomguy 0 Report post Posted August 18, 2006 You can't knock guys for wanting to keep going. I've never understood that, like people that bagged on Jordan for coming back again. These guys do well in their primes because they have the drive, the same drive that makes them want to keep going as they decline. 'Preserve the legacy' is bullshit. Some guy should give up doing what he loves to do just because you can't bother to mentally segregate his prime years from his later years? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Big_Jay101 Report post Posted August 18, 2006 I think this fight is still possible, although doubtful. with Goldy saying new son the "Ultimate Grudge Match" obviously pointing to Shanrock - Ortiz III gives some hope for the Wandy/Chuck still being on. I doubt it though, instead of Chuck fighting again in November they will have him wait til Superbowl Sunday, provided he beats Babalu. Fuck giving Tito a shot when he beats shamrock again, make Babalu/Ortiz happen, it is a fresh fight in the division, although it will leave Chuck without an opponent for when he fights, unless he loses then he can fight a contender other than Babalu/Tito, but still who else can compete in the Octagon with Chuck other than those two( of the fighters in the UFC). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted August 18, 2006 You can't knock guys for wanting to keep going. I've never understood that, like people that bagged on Jordan for coming back again. These guys do well in their primes because they have the drive, the same drive that makes them want to keep going as they decline. 'Preserve the legacy' is bullshit. Some guy should give up doing what he loves to do just because you can't bother to mentally segregate his prime years from his later years? There's a difference between being a shell of your former self who can barely win fights over the last five years versus being a deteriorating version of a great fighter. And Shamrock wasn't lighting the world on fire to begin with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord of The Curry 0 Report post Posted August 18, 2006 Yeah, when you're overrated to begin with it doesn't help when you get trounced easily by most guys you face nowadays. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
randomguy 0 Report post Posted August 19, 2006 How many of you would stop what you love doing at 40 because some internet nerds said you weren't good any more? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted August 19, 2006 I'd stop because I continue to get beat up every time I step in and because my record over the last five years is worse than Sam Adkins. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DRH 502 Report post Posted August 19, 2006 Dude really you are trying to flip this but it isn't work. Shamrock could have been remembered as somebody, now his legacy is shit because he can't win a fight. He needs to hang up, he's too old, let go its over. Nobody listen to techno. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Youth N Asia 0 Report post Posted August 20, 2006 I understand Ken's desire and whatnot to fight, maybe he didn't save his money. But it's kinda like Evander Holifiled. Sure, there's a market to see him, but he's lost too much of his step while the guys around him get better. Randy knew when it was his time to leave Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DRH 502 Report post Posted August 20, 2006 ^^^ Exactly. Randy Couture got beat by the best in his weight division twice. He knew there was nothing left for him to do and he bowed out gracefully before he ruined his record worse than it was... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Youth N Asia 0 Report post Posted August 20, 2006 Randy ended up with a record that didn't reflect the level of fighter he was. But with the exception of his last one, his losses came to the top guys Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
