Top 10 Southern Rap Albums...

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

Since my last thread, people caught feelings because my opinion defered from theirs and my list was different, I'm going to be placing reasons why in this thread. And I will put this list in order. This is part 1 of a 4 series, where I will list my favorite albums from Midwest, West, and East.

 

1. Outkast - Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik

 

I think this is the greatest debut album along with Nas (Illmatic) and Biggie (Ready to Die). This CD never gets old IMO, and was very influencial to Atlanta rappers. This CD I can bump all the tracks, lyrically it was amazing how Andre 3000 was back then.

 

2. Scarface - The Diary

 

Not only one of the most influencial southern albums, but rap albums as whole. This was Scarface at his peak IMO, he paved the way for many rappers. It's ashame that Houston is embarassing him with crap rappers like Mike Jones. You could feel Scarface on this album, and he put his heart into.

 

3. Geto Boys - We Can't Be Stopped

 

One of my personal favorites, and I pump this in my car all the time. Minds Playin Tricks on Me is easily one of my favorite songs. Willie D was always an overlooked rapper. Very political album, reminds me of Public Enemy.

 

4. Outkast - ATLiens

 

Amazing follow up CD. Too many great songs on it. Many consider this to be their best album, but I still don't think it's better then Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik, but it's most certainly up there. I thought the production on this CD was better then Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik though.

 

5. Scarface - The Fix

 

One of the best CD's of this decade. Amazing production, amazing guest apperences, and overall an amazing CD. Great throwback to the old Scarface. Also wasn't this the 1st time Kanye was ever featured on a song(Not producing)?? Guess Who's Back is by far my favorite Kanye beat.

 

6. Outkast - Aquemeni

 

Last great Outkast CD. I forgot to put it in here at the start, but I really like this CD. Almost a classic IMO, but it wasn't as good as ATLiens and Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik.

 

7. UGK - Ridin Dirty

 

Another one of my personal favorites that I pump in my car. Very raw CD, Bun B and Pimp C are one of the best rap duos in my opinion. Another very influencial album.

 

8. Juvenile - 400 Degreez

 

This album MADE the careers of Cash Money. Mannie Fresh came correct on the beats, Juvenile provided that raw New Orleans flow. Great stuff, "Ha" was a great song. Very influencial CD in the rise of "Bling Bling" rap.

 

9. Goodie Mob - Soul Food

 

Another Organized Noize masterpiece. Overall another great debut album. Cee-Lo has always been a personal favorite of mine.

 

10. Hot Boys - Guerrilla Warfare

 

Mannie Fresh is byfar the most underrated producer of all time. Hot Boys could've been an elite group, but too many big egos got in the way. Features a young but raw, Lil Wayne. Cash Money was shittin on No Limit as far as quality music goes, in my opinion.

 

 

Almost there: Mystikal - Ghetto Fabulous

 

Altough I hate No Limit, I was a Mystikal fan. He had a very weird style, but he could make a great song. I use to bump this CD all the time in the late 90's.

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

That was a decent list, except for the glaring omissions of the Geto Boys' debut and Aquemeni. Aquemeni is so superior to everything else in their catalogue, it's not even funny, and I like everything they have done.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

That was a decent list, except for the glaring omissions of the Geto Boys' debut and Aquemeni. Aquemeni is so superior to everything else in their catalogue, it's not even funny, and I like everything they have done.

 

Fuck, I forgot Aquemeni, looks like I'm going to have to edit.

 

Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik and ATLiens are suprior to Aquemeni, in my opinion, but everyone's opinion differs, everyones list is different, you can not make the perfect list. I haven't heard the Getto Boy's debut album though, I've been trying to find it for ages.

[Carnival 0]

You forgot Ghetto D.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

You forgot Ghetto D.

 

Nope.

 

I can't stand Master P. Good CD though.

[razazteca 0]

Good to see that Mike Jones did not make the list.

[ant_7000 0]

Thats a good list, I would include No Limit's "TRU to the Game" album. Aquemini was the best Outkast album in their catalog.

[Carnival 0]

Ghetto D was a classic. That cd is what made southern rap blow up in the late 90's and paved the way for Cash Money. To mention a Juvenile CD, a Hot Boyz CD and even a TERRIBLE Mystikal CD but not have Ghetto D on there is insanity, regardless of personal bias.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

It's my pesonal list. Deal with it.

 

And it didn't make Cash Money blow up, they would've blown up regardless. Mannie Fresh is a Top 10 producer of all time IMO, and his beats where very new and innovative.

 

400 Degreez shits on Ghetto D, Cash Money shits on No Limit, Any rapper that was on Cash Money shits on Master P.

[Black Lushus 0]

but Master P brought the attention down south...

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

but Master P brought the attention down south...

 

He had a big part in it yes, but it wasn't all him.

 

Outkast/Goodie Mob, Getto Boys, UGK, and Cash Money all played a big role in it aswell.

[Black Lushus 0]

the thing about UGK and Outkast, they didn't blow up huge until the late 90s, hell UGK was more into 2000...that's thanks to the attention Master P and then Cash Money brought to the south...sure, to us rap fans, we always heard of them guys, but the mainstream didn't pay attention until that silly crunk shit really started popping off.

 

but really, who's to say...I have a good 10 or 11 years on you, so your perspective is going to be different than mine, just as you tried to explain in that other thread about Westside Connection exposing folks your age to Ice Cube.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

the thing about UGK and Outkast, they didn't blow up huge until the late 90s, hell UGK was more into 2000...that's thanks to the attention Master P and then Cash Money brought to the south...sure, to us rap fans, we always heard of them guys, but the mainstream didn't pay attention until that silly crunk shit really started popping off.

 

but really, who's to say...I have a good 10 or 11 years on you, so your perspective is going to be different than mine, just as you tried to explain in that other thread about Westside Connection exposing folks your age to Ice Cube.

 

Outkast blew up in the late 90's.

 

Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik went platinum, ATLiens went double platinum, and Aquemini went double platinum.

 

UGK's best selling album was in 96.

[Black Lushus 0]

mainstream crossover...that's what it's all about.

 

a million black people buying a rap album is one thing.

 

4 million black AND white people is another.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

mainstream crossover...that's what it's all about.

 

a million black people buying a rap album is one thing.

 

4 million black AND white people is another.

 

Who's to say only black people were checking for Outkast in the mid 90's? We don't have the statisical evidence to prove that.

 

Rosa Parks, Elevators, and Playas Ball was getting alot of radio spins. You can't get double platinum with just black people buying it.

 

Plus, Outkast from my experences, appeal to white folks more then they do black folks.

[Black Lushus 0]

well yeah, NOW they do...

 

 

here, Elevators only got video play on BET, Playas Ball as well....Rosa Parks was a club hit at the most.

 

It wasn't until Stankonia that more and more people were like "hey, these guys are pretty good, I should check em out"

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

well yeah, NOW they do...

 

 

here, Elevators only got video play on BET, Playas Ball as well....Rosa Parks was a club hit at the most.

 

It wasn't until Stankonia that more and more people were like "hey, these guys are pretty good, I should check em out"

 

They were nominated for a Grammy for Rosa Parks.

 

Even back then I didn't really know that many black people who listened to Outkast, it was mostly white people.

 

Either way, Outkast played a big part in the mid 90's. They had over 5 million records sold in the mid 90's.

[Carnival 0]

god, EHME will disagree with anything. asking for statistical evidence of white people buying Outkast records. What a nitpicky douche.

 

Master P brought attention to the south and paved the way for all Bounce rappers. Thats Cash Money, thats Lil John, Ying Yang fags...all that shit. You can say...blah blah woulda done this anyways...well, he didn't. Master P did.

 

As for your Outkast platinum claims. Only 2 of them could be considered mid-90s. Southernplaya.. came out in 94, didn't go platinum till 95. Atliens when plat the year it came out in 96. It didn't go double platinum 'till 2003. Thats almost 3 years after Stankonia.(So Black Lushus has a point) Aquemini came out and went double plat in 99.

 

Master P already sold 2 million copies of Ghetto D and 4 million copies of Da Last Don(2CD) before Outkast EVER went double platinum. Both in 98.

 

I don't care about your list and personal opinion of music. Hate Master P. Whatever. But don't even think for a second that Master P didn't blow up mainstream before Outkast did. And stop skewing facts. Better yet, just shut the fuck up if you don't know what you are talking about.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

god, EHME will disagree with anything. asking for statistical evidence of white people buying Outkast records. What a nitpicky douche.

 

Master P brought attention to the south and paved the way for all Bounce rappers. Thats Cash Money, thats Lil John, Ying Yang fags...all that shit. You can say...blah blah woulda done this anyways...well, he didn't. Master P did.

 

As for your Outkast platinum claims. Only 2 of them could be considered mid-90s. Southernplaya.. came out in 94, didn't go platinum till 95. Atliens when plat the year it came out in 96. It didn't go double platinum 'till 2003. Thats almost 3 years after Stankonia.(So Black Lushus has a point) Aquemini came out and went double plat in 99.

 

Master P already sold 2 million copies of Ghetto D and 4 million copies of Da Last Don(2CD) before Outkast EVER went double platinum. Both in 98.

 

I don't care about your list and personal opinion of music. Hate Master P. Whatever. But don't even think for a second that Master P didn't blow up mainstream before Outkast did. And stop skewing facts. Better yet, just shut the fuck up if you don't know what you are talking about.

 

Stop with your childish insults...

 

If your going to make a dumb statement like 1,000,000 black people bought Southernplayalistc, when you should have the evidence to back it up. White people buy more music then Black people it's a fact. G-Unit is the most popular thing in rap right now, and it's mostly because of white wigga kids. How many black people do you see rockin G-Unit clothling and how many white kids you see rockin G-Unit? Because I travel alot, and I see alot more white kids rocking G-Unit stuff then I do black people. I'll even state that more white people bought Southernplayalistic then black people.

 

I'm not taking anything away from Master P and his impact on helping South hit mainstream. I'm just saying he's not all responsible. Cash Money was on come up and they were going to explode no matter if Master P made it or not. They don't even really have the same style, as Juve's, Weezy's, B.G.'s and Turk's flows and rapping style are much different then P's. When Cash Money came out, it was original. Mannie Fresh's beats were out of this world.

 

And all I was saying about P was that he didn't help expose the South to the mainstream all by himself. Scarface, Getto Boys, Outkast, even Jermaine Dupri all had roles in it as well.

[Carnival 0]

Stop with your childish insults...

Maybe you could challenge me to a fight, Mr. Maturity.

If your going to make a dumb statement like 1,000,000 black people bought Southernplayalistc, when you should have the evidence to back it up.

That is a generalization, not a "dumb statement". Want proof?

G-Unit is the most popular thing in rap right now, and it's mostly because of white wigga kids.

There. You proved it right there, although inadvertently. As rap music becomes more mainstream, more white people are buying it than black people. That's what Lushus is trying to tell you. The black commuinity who was into hip hop heard of Outkast way before white mainstream America did. Especially locally.

I'll even state that more white people bought Southernplayalistic then black people.

Where are your statistics to back that up? If you are going to make dumb statement like more white people than black people bought Southerplayalistic, then you should have the evidence to back it up. Sound familiar? How can you call what Lushus said "dumb" and in the same post make the same kind of statement? Now that is "dumb".

Cash Money was on come up and they were going to explode no matter if Master P made it or not. They don't even really have the same style, as Juve's, Weezy's, B.G.'s and Turk's flows and rapping style are much different then P's. When Cash Money came out, it was original. Mannie Fresh's beats were out of this world.

But P blew up first...thus paving the way for Cash Money. To the trained ear they make different music than No Limit, but to mainstream America, it's all southern bounce shit.

And all I was saying about P was that he didn't help expose the South to the mainstream all by himself.

I agree, he did not expose the nation to southern rap alone. I never said he did. But he was the biggest one at the time.

[Black Lushus 0]

how did i know EHME SC would take the "million black people"line literally?

[EricMM 0]

Aww who cares if its wiggers or teddy bears buying an album?

 

The sales are what count, and what make popularity solidfy.

 

FWIW, I didn't really know much about Outkast until Stankonia. But I knew about Master P (and hated Master P) in 97.

[Guest NYankees]

Outkast didn't become popular with white people and mainstream society until Miss Jackson came out as a single.

[Black Lushus 0]

outside of maybe Yo! MTV Raps, I can't think of any Outkast video before BOB getting regular play whenever MTV played videos.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

Maybe you could challenge me to a fight, Mr. Maturity.

 

I would, but traveling to Nebraska is out of my way.

That is a generalization, not a "dumb statement". Want proof?

Well it's stupid generalization...

There. You proved it right there, although inadvertently. As rap music becomes more mainstream, more white people are buying it than black people. That's what Lushus is trying to tell you. The black commuinity who was into hip hop heard of Outkast way before white mainstream America did. Especially locally.

 

White people started to get into Rap in the early 90's. Vanilla Ice, MC Hammer, Kris Kross and all that crap. Rap has become more popular then it has back then I agree, but white people were starting to get into in that era. But I guess it was only black people was copping MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice right??

 

Where are your statistics to back that up? If you are going to make dumb statement like more white people than black people bought Southerplayalistic, then you should have the evidence to back it up. Sound familiar? How can you call what Lushus said "dumb" and in the same post make the same kind of statement? Now that is "dumb".

 

I only made the statement because he brought up the point that "only black people was coppin Southernplayalistic, which is lame. I understand Lushus might not have been fully serious, but still there are more white people that buy music then black people, and if your going to have a platinum album, the majority of the people buying it are going to be white. There's no statistic evidence to back this up, it's just common sense.

 

But P blew up first...thus paving the way for Cash Money. To the trained ear they make different music than No Limit, but to mainstream America, it's all southern bounce shit.

 

Using that logic, Kriss Kross paved the way for all Southern rappers. Because they blew up 1st and was the 1st Southern rapper to have a #1 hit.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

outside of maybe Yo! MTV Raps, I can't think of any Outkast video before BOB getting regular play whenever MTV played videos.

 

Wouldn't know about MTV, but I remember Outkast was getting regular spins by Muchmusic.

[FroGG_NeaL 0]

Nobody knew or cared where Kriss Kross was from.

 

Scarface was the first Southern Rapper to make it big, and alot of people didn't even realise he was Southern.

 

P was the first rapper to make it known he was from the south. Then he had the whole No Limit Roster behind him, and signing snoop brought alot of attention to them at the time as well.

 

Cash Money was considered riding P's coattails at the time, even though it's obviously not that way in hindsight.

[Black Lushus 0]

nah man, Kriss Kross' sound was similar to shit like Hammer and Young MC...he said bounce shit like Lil Jon, Ying Yang, etc.

[Carnival 0]

MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice are great examples of white people buying into rap. And guess what? They weren't just one time platinum, Ice sold 7 Million records and Hammer went fucking Diamond with "Please Hammer Don't Hurt 'Em." Which is exactly my point.

 

What Lushus and I have been trying to say is a larger percentage of white people will buy the album if it's mainstream. But it's safe to say that Black people are buying it first.

 

In my experience, I lived in small town Nebraska, I didn't even know Outkast existed until "Rosa Parks" came out. And the only person I knew that was aware of Outkast before that was my step-bro from Kansas City, he had ATLiens. But by that time, we both had like 4 Master P albums.

 

And the Kris Kross comparison is terrible. It's obvisous to everyone else, except you, that Master P and No Limit helped pave the way Cash Money. I agree that maybe Master P opened the door to Mainstream America for them but Cash Money blew it off the hinges.

[razazteca 0]

There is more to the Southern rap than Atlanta, New Orleans, Houston.