OAO "Holy shit, Kurt Angle is in TNA now" thread...

[Guest stringerbell]

The plan is for Kurt Angle to work the monthly PPVs and about 1 TV match a month. This would cut his yearly amount of matches down from about 150 to around 24. This is a huge step forward for Kurt and most everyone feels like his body will be ok under this schedule.

 

credit: PWTorch Audio Report

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

http://zerochanceofangle.ytmnd.com/

How long did it take you to make that?

 

Yeah, I was wrong on this one. I made the mistake of thinking a wrestling company might of had some degree of ethics when it came to putting the welfare of a human being above their own financial needs. As has been pointed out, Vince McMahon will exploit anything and even he got rid of Kurt Angle before the inevitable car crash. While some people are saying that Kurt is a able to make his own decisions, look at what decisions he's made recently; he walked away from a guaranteed $1 million per year deal rather than get help for a problem that was so bad Vince ended up having to fire him over it. He could have kept the money, which his family needs, and gotten the help he needed, but he didn't. How rational can the man be? Sure, his wife has come back to him for the second time. For now. But she'll leave him again when Kurt winds up pushing himself too hard, and that day will come with Kurt not willing to get the help he needs.

 

And once again, the rule of thumb when it comes to wrestling fans as been shown to be valuing their own entertainment over all other considerations, even the physical health and mental well-being of another person. I'm not surprised by that, but I am saddened. I guess Eddie Guerrero dying really did mean nothing to people.

[geniusMoment 0]

The plan is for Kurt Angle to work the monthly PPVs and about 1 TV match a month. This would cut his yearly amount of matches down from about 150 to around 24. This is a huge step forward for Kurt and most everyone feels like his body will be ok under this schedule.

 

credit: PWTorch Audio Report

That's not what the report said. Keller said they could have him work a schedule like that, or he could work more. And that there are very mixed feelings on bringing angle in. He said Sting, Shadia, Jeff, Dixie, Russo and a few others were aware of the signing. While Tenay, Borash and Scott were not aware of his arrival until the announcement itself. He said the plan is for Angle to headline against Joe within 3 months, and that Jeff will be scaled down, as Dixie no longer thinks of him as someone to build the company around.

[Guest]

And once again, the rule of thumb when it comes to wrestling fans as been shown to be valuing their own entertainment over all other considerations, even the physical health and mental well-being of another person. I'm not surprised by that, but I am saddened. I guess Eddie Guerrero dying really did mean nothing to people.

I agree.

[bob_barron 0]

Blaming wrestling fans- yawn.

 

This is Angle and TNA's fault

[Guest Princess Leena]

Yep, that's the nature of this scummy business.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Blaming wrestling fans- yawn.

Yes, beause the people who know how bad Kurt is fucked up and yet can't wait to see him do even more damage to his already broken down body are just innocent bystanders.

[bob_barron 0]

All wrestlers are doing damage to their body- should we just not watch wrestling

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

All wrestlers are doing damage to their body- should we just not watch wrestling

Not all wrestlers are so far gone physically that they are regularly losing feeling in limbs, and not all wrestlers are so far gone mentally that they give up over a million dollars a year in income rather than go to rehab. When a wrestler, a human being, is that far gone, then I'd rather they not go back to doing what got them to that point, and if they did I'd certainly not be going nuts over 'dream' matches that can only do even further harm.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Noble Intentions and Undesirable Consequences

 

By Todd Martin

 

The announcement by TNA on Sunday of the signing of Kurt Angle once again reminds us of a fundamental rule of professional wrestling. In professional wrestling, doing the right thing usually backfires. You end up hurting yourself, helping your enemies, and not even achieving the commendable goals that you sought to accomplish in the first place.

 

World Wrestling Entertainment and Vince McMahon, Jr. are frequently criticized for making morally bankrupt decisions. Indeed, the company has made many deeply problematic moral decisions over the years, with the exploitation of the late Eddie Guerrero this year coming immediately to mind. The release of Kurt Angle was not one of those decisions.

 

Kurt Angle is a tragedy waiting to happen, if not a tragedy already in the making. A man driven by an extraordinary desire to be the best, Angle has pushed himself hard throughout his life. He pushed his body to tremendous lengths during his WWE career, and refused to slow down. He continued on despite serious health deterioration, and competes with a level of pain that is extremely hard to manage without assistance. As he ages, and with serious health problems, the best course of action for Angle is clearly to take it easy on his body.

 

WWE attempted to push him in exactly that direction. By confronting Angle about his problems and pushing him out of the company, WWE was presumably driven by a desire to protect Angle from himself. While unquestionably not wanting a tragedy to occur under their watch played a role, one has to suspect the primary impetus for WWE’s stance on Angle was a desire to help his well being.

 

Angle isn’t getting help. Rather, he is simply moving on to a different pro wrestling company. He won’t have to work as grueling of a schedule, which is a positive. However, TNA needs him a lot more than WWE did, which will force him to go all out in his matches to try to justify his role in the company. He will still be in the same problematic environment with the same temptations and dangers. Moreover, he could still decide to also do MMA or work Japan, presenting even further health risks. WWE’s intervention didn’t help Angle at all.

 

So what did WWE accomplish in trying to do the right thing? They simply handed one of the most marketable professional wrestlers in North America over to their primary pro wrestling competitor. If Kurt Angle is crazy enough to also try UFC, he could end up helping their primary MMA competitor as well.

 

The greater impact potential is probably in UFC. Angle could potentially top a million buys for a fight with Daniel Puder in the Octagon, while TNA seems to be teasing a feud between Angle and Jeff Jarrett that will likely do more to devalue Angle than benefit Jarrett. Still, TNA has a prime piece of WWE talent that they can use to entice WWE viewers to watch their shows.

 

WWE shouldn’t fret too much over this development, however. Angle’s departure to TNA isn’t likely to change the landscape of professional wrestling in spite of the rhetoric. The biggest threat to WWE success is still its own creative team. And for once, Vince McMahon can take pride in knowing that he did the right thing, even if it backfired from a business standpoint.

 

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[Guest]

This situation is comparable to that of many fighters. State commissions don't grant fighters a license if they aren't able to compete. What most people don't understand is that there is a middle that should keep wrestlers from pushing themselves to the extent that Kurt has. The middle is the fans. If there's no demand for Angle, TNA probably doesn't hire him. Blame lies almost as much on the fans as it does on Angle and TNA.

[bob_barron 0]

A lot of fans don't know how fucked Kurt Angle is

[Twisted Intestine 0]

Weather Kurt is in a proper mental state or not (Which I don't think any of us can be the judge of, no matter what "insider" news has said) it is his decision what he wants to do with his life. I support his decision, and will enjoy watching him wrestle. I'm a fan, not his babysitter. If he dies or goes cripple in the ring, (Which, for the record, I really don't think he will) that sucks, but I'll enjoy watching him while I can. He chooses what he wants to do with his life, not the fans, or TNA. Unless you're suggesting he's nutty enough that it warrants him being forceably instated into an institution, why should I not support his decisions? It's not our place to judge what he should or shouldn't be doing, especially only based of reports that may or may not exagerate things.

[Guest Princess Leena]

Fans only want to be entertained. It's like that in every sport.

 

And outside of the internet, I doubt many realize anything is wrong with Kurt.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

What most people don't understand is that there is a middle that should keep wrestlers from pushing themselves to the extent that Kurt has. The middle is the fans. If there's no demand for Angle, TNA probably doesn't hire him. Blame lies almost as much on the fans as it does on Angle and TNA.

Yeah, but then those same people couldn't go nuts over Angle destroying his body even further in matches against Samoa Joe or Christopher Daniels, and we know how bad they want their 'dream matches', so, you know how the rest goes

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Weather Kurt is in a proper mental state or not (Which I don't think any of us can be the judge of, no matter what "insider" news has said) it is his decision what he wants to do with his life. I support his decision, and will enjoy watching him wrestle. I'm a fan, not his babysitter. If he dies or goes cripple in the ring, (Which, for the record, I really don't think he will) that sucks, but I'll enjoy watching him while I can. He chooses what he wants to do with his life, not the fans, or TNA. Unless you're suggesting he's nutty enough that it warrants him being forceably instated into an institution, why should I not support his decisions? It's not our place to judge what he should or shouldn't be doing, especially only based of reports that may or may not exagerate things.

As long as you get your entertainment, who cares if a man dies in the ring, right?

[Twisted Intestine 0]

No, I'd rather him retire as well. I didn't say I want him wrestling. It's his decision however, and I can't do anything about it. Might as well support him and hope he knows what he's doing.

[bob_barron 0]

Blaming the fans over TNA and Angle is just being lazy, just like blaming fans for Eddy's death was. I think a lot of fans probably don't know fucked up Angle is. TNA should've taken the high road and not brought in the next wrestling tragedy.

[Guest]

Blaming fans for Eddy's death is different, and wrong I might add.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Blaming the fans over TNA and Angle is just being lazy, just like blaming fans for Eddy's death was. I think a lot of fans probably don't know fucked up Angle is. TNA should've taken the high road and not brought in the next wrestling tragedy.

If TNA knew that the fans didn't want Angle to wrestle, and risk his health even more, then they wouldn't have hired him and put Angle back into the position to do even more damage to his body. The fans aren't totally to blame for Angle's situation, or Eddie's death, but by only being accepting of certain standards, standards that can only be achieved by wrestlers taking unhealthy risks, fans are just as culpable as the wrestlers and promoters.

[bob_barron 0]

Most fans don't know how fucked up Angle is. If I didn't know how bad a shape he was in, I'd love to see him wrestle.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Most fans don't know how fucked up Angle is. If I didn't know how bad a shape he was in, I'd love to see him wrestle.

Fans here do know, and they still can't wait to see Angle risk himself so they can have their dream matches.

[Guest]

If you're higher than the midcard and get fired from WWE, you're fucked up. Anyone with a brain should understand that.

 

But we are talking about WRESTLING, so your point is noted.

[Fro 0]

Looks like TNA is doing this the right way:

 

http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=20524&p=1

 

During tonight's TNA Impact taping, it was announced that Kurt Angle will be the ringside enforcer during the Sting vs. Jeff Jarrett main event for the 10/22 Bound for Glory PPV in Michigan.

[Twisted Intestine 0]

Okay, so let's do something about it. Everyone at TSM who cares about Angle's health buy tickets to the next few weeks impacts, and we'll all chant "GO HOME ANGLE!" and "PLEASE DON'T DIE!"

 

Meanwhile, nobody tune in at home!

 

...It's unrealistic to thinkthe fans have any part of it. Even if ratings went down the drain for Angle sagments, and TNA fired him, he'd go wrestle/fight somewhere else.

 

I don't know why I should be expected not to enjoy Kurt Angle in TNA because he has health problems. In my eyes its his choice, and that's all there is to it. Unfortunate if he kills himself, but that's the choices people make. Maybe he'd even rather die inthe ring than no longer wrestle. Again, that's his decision to make, and I don't think that anyone besides those who know him personally should feel responsible orbe entitled to much of an opinion on the man's life.

[Timmy8271 0]

Ya, Angle vs Jarrett. I wonder who this reminds me of?

 

 

JEREMY BORASH

"Holy @#$%!!!"

 

Borash is a douche.

[Guest]

...It's unrealistic to thinkthe fans have any part of it. Even if ratings went down the drain for Angle sagments, and TNA fired him, he'd go wrestle/fight somewhere else.

uh. Do they teach economics where you live.

[Downhome 0]

Looks like TNA is doing this the right way:

 

http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=20524&p=1

 

During tonight's TNA Impact taping, it was announced that Kurt Angle will be the ringside enforcer during the Sting vs. Jeff Jarrett main event for the 10/22 Bound for Glory PPV in Michigan.

 

That's pretty much what I expected. I doubt he'll wrestle until the two hour Impact, and maybe not until the PPV after BFG.

[chaosrage 0]

Blaming the fans for something happening to Angle is actually more retarded than blaming TNA for it, and that's saying something.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Blaming the fans for something happening to Angle is actually more retarded than blaming TNA for it, and that's saying something.

Because TNA should be applauded for hiring someone in such bad shape that even WWE wanted no part of them, right?