Big Ol' Smitty Posted January 29, 2007 Author Report Posted January 29, 2007 Bizzaro World. Wherein I agree with Sam Brownback.
snuffbox Posted January 29, 2007 Report Posted January 29, 2007 The President has spent the past month repeatedly admitting to failures, problems, and shortcomings in Iraq...and has said that is why we need more troops...how is that not 'giving comfort/motivation/whatever to the enemy'? Lieberman is such a handicapped joke.
Special K Posted January 29, 2007 Report Posted January 29, 2007 Beyond debating the merits of the plan, I just don't understand where they're going to get the troops from! A draft? at least raising the pay for soldiers? Their recruitment is well low of their expectations now. Where are these people supposed to come from? Honestly! I mean, I applied to the Air Force half a year ago. I'm a college graduate, in engineering, no criminal record, all that jazz. eminantly hireable. And then, I told the recruiter I have asthma. Dismissed right away. Doesn't matter that I haven't had an asthma attack in 3 years, and only my allergy to dogs causes it. Dismissed. Shit, those people that MIAed to Canada just had to say they had a cough.
EricMM Posted January 29, 2007 Report Posted January 29, 2007 Well, they're going to increase the frequency of deployment, for one. More work, less leave, I guess.
snuffbox Posted January 31, 2007 Report Posted January 31, 2007 Jack Valenti, speaking from his deep experience in a similar situation, spoke out against the Iraq War tonight on Hardball.
snuffbox Posted February 2, 2007 Report Posted February 2, 2007 http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews....=rss&rpc=22 At least $100 billion more dollars. Those $1.2 trillion estimates will end up being surpassed.
Dobbs 3K Posted February 2, 2007 Report Posted February 2, 2007 Wasn't this war supposed to pay for itself? Maybe we're being too nice...maybe we really should have colonized Iraq and taken their oil. At least we wouldn't have a huge debt, and we'd be just as hated either way.
Guest CWMwasmurdered Posted February 2, 2007 Report Posted February 2, 2007 Yeah colonization, that's the ticket.
Dobbs 3K Posted February 3, 2007 Report Posted February 3, 2007 I didn't seriously mean that. I just wish we could cut our losses and leave. I'm sick of seeing our troops killed over there for these people.
SuperJerk Posted February 3, 2007 Report Posted February 3, 2007 Mark my words, if the Democrats in Congress cut off funding for this war, the Republicans will score big politically by portraying the move as putting the troops in immediate danger. If there's one thing I've learned since Bush has taken office, its that no lie is too dumb for the majority of the public to believe.
Dobbs 3K Posted February 3, 2007 Report Posted February 3, 2007 Maybe you're right, but don't you think most Americans would like to see us out of there any way possible, at this point?
Special K Posted February 3, 2007 Report Posted February 3, 2007 At this point, it's damned if you do, damned if you don't, and damned if you do the other thing. With the caveat that going to war with Iraq was fucking stoopid in the first place. Who could have seen that the Suunis and Shiites and and American troups couldn't get along? Well, basically everyone. Their culture is fucking crazy. They have been killing each other for years over racial wars! Now we're just in a shit situation. Few allies (apparently Blair's on the way out too) forces spread too thin (sure we have the best military in the world, but we can't carpet bomb the place because THEY DIDN'T DO SHIT.) So we're stuck. The couple of friends I've talked to in the military say it is just downright awful over there. So let's send more of our already overextended troops over there. There's a reason we're not freaking out and carpet-bombing Iraq: It was never, ever a threat. I feel much less secure about my safety when the most powerful military in the world has virtually no allies, and is half a world away. But hey! we hung that bastard.
snuffbox Posted February 3, 2007 Report Posted February 3, 2007 http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070203/D8N2BMBG0.html Now even President Bush is giving comfort to the enemy. Is Fox all that America has left?
snuffbox Posted February 4, 2007 Report Posted February 4, 2007 http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/16616389.htm Oh, just fucking great, the soldiers are giving comfort to the enemy now too.
Dobbs 3K Posted February 4, 2007 Report Posted February 4, 2007 What? But I thought "The soldiers want to stay until the job is done"?!
Art Sandusky Posted February 5, 2007 Report Posted February 5, 2007 http://www.nypost.com/seven/02052007/news/...vid_seifman.htm Sort of related to the War on Terr'r, but I had to share how happy I am that this bullshit was seen as such. You've probably seen the commercial for this, and were hopefully as disgusted as I was. Towers that pop up from the coin, what an opportunistic load.
Dobbs 3K Posted February 5, 2007 Report Posted February 5, 2007 Yeah, I've seen the commercials for those and can't understand who'd feel good buying them, other than speculators or something.
snuffbox Posted February 6, 2007 Report Posted February 6, 2007 http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/02/05/...aker/index.html Yeesh. A US Embassy bomber/Iranian agent is apparently a member of the Iraqi Parliament. This is going so well. With arms wide open!
Dobbs 3K Posted February 6, 2007 Report Posted February 6, 2007 Well, they've decided they can't fight all the insurgents and factions, so they're trying to include some of them. I'm sure this is exactly how the war on terror was supposed to go!
Big Ol' Smitty Posted February 6, 2007 Author Report Posted February 6, 2007 Supposed Abu Ghraib soldier on the Youtubes. I hope to god this video is a fake.
Art Sandusky Posted February 7, 2007 Report Posted February 7, 2007 Me too, but I fear for the safety of the guy if he's legit. He could easily "disappear" somehow before the major outlets pick it up.
snuffbox Posted February 7, 2007 Report Posted February 7, 2007 7 more dead in a helicopter crash today. Jon Tester gave an intelligent, passionate speech on the Senate floor this afternoon.
NoCalMike Posted February 8, 2007 Report Posted February 8, 2007 Is anyone seriously wondering about all these helicopter "crashes" I mean there have been what like 5 in the last two weeks? Is that normal? Would there be a vested interest in lying about them being crashes, and the truth being that they are actually being shot down, by weaponry that we have armed the Iraqis with?
NoCalMike Posted February 8, 2007 Report Posted February 8, 2007 At this point, it's damned if you do, damned if you don't, and damned if you do the other thing. With the caveat that going to war with Iraq was fucking stoopid in the first place. Who could have seen that the Suunis and Shiites and and American troups couldn't get along? Well, basically everyone. Their culture is fucking crazy. They have been killing each other for years over racial wars! Now we're just in a shit situation. Which is why it is becoming increasingly frustrating to watch the Bush Administration, especially Mr. Dick "Everything is fine, the premise of your question is hogwash" Cheney. It's not like plenty of experts weren't predicting the current situation all along, and warning Bush what it would be like if he started this up. So almost five years later, the situation is getting worse all the time, and the Admistration acts like it was "suprised" by the insurgency and everything else.....for fucks sakes.
snuffbox Posted February 8, 2007 Report Posted February 8, 2007 The 4 or 5 before today have been reported as being shot down, today's hasn't been reported as such. Presumabley some of the weaponry used to shoot the helicopters down have American origins.
snuffbox Posted February 8, 2007 Report Posted February 8, 2007 Apparently the past 4 months have been the worst stretch of such time for American casualties in the entire Iraq War.
Dobbs 3K Posted February 8, 2007 Report Posted February 8, 2007 Geez...either pull our troops out, or allow them to take the kid gloves off and start steamrolling over Iraq. It's not worth it anymore.
snuffbox Posted February 8, 2007 Report Posted February 8, 2007 The best part of Jon Tester's speech yesterday was his explanation of how the Bush Jr Admin has broken every facet of the 'Powell Doctrine' on warfare. Among the pieces of the Powell Doctrine is the usage of overwhelming force whenever war is actually needed. And here, not only was war not at all necessary, nothing faintly resembling overwhelming force has been employed.
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