CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2007 Tim Raines should be in. He won't be though. I'd love to see it, but if Andre Dawson's not getting in, Raines won't get in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2007 I don't think Mark Grace gets in. Definitely not. If he put up his numbers at 2B or SS, maybe. But not at first base. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Youth N Asia 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2007 Mark Grace will go down somewhere in between good player and hall of famer. I always liked him, but not HOF material Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheDevilAndGodAreRagingInsideMe 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2007 I figure these current players are locks off the top of my head: Maddux Glavine Johnson Smoltz Pedro Rivera Hoffman Clemens Jeter A-Rod Manny Pudge Bonds Rickey Griffey Jr Thomas Piazza Too early for me to add Pujols, Santana, Zito, etc, but I'm sure they will be there at their pace. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2007 Grace was a HOF interview, I'll give him that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2007 Why did players lose votes or have a lower % of votes? Bert Blyleven lost 17 votes. Jim Rice gained 11 more votes but dropped in % of votes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Youth N Asia 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2007 TELL ME THAT SOMEONE ELSE REMEMBERS THIS In the spirt of Gwen getting in Topps baseball commercial. Two kids are trading baseball cards Kid 1: "I'll trade you a Paul Molitor for your Tony Gwen." Kid 2: "ok" THEN the baseball cards start talking back to the kids Gwen: "What?! I'm worth 2 Molitors." Molitor: "No way, this guy's been out in the sun too long." Gwen: "Check out the stats. 329 lifetime batting average abd 4 batting titles." Molitor: "I was breaking world series records, when he was still a rookie.: then cut to a little blah blah blah Gwen: "You want a fair trade? Me for two of him, and a Jim Abbot." then Abbot's card pops from behind Molitors with "Hey, I resent that." Maybe my favorite commercial ever Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2007 I figure these current players are locks off the top of my head: Maddux Glavine Johnson Smoltz Pedro Rivera Hoffman Clemens Jeter A-Rod Manny Pudge Bonds Rickey Griffey Jr Thomas Piazza Too early for me to add Pujols, Santana, Zito, etc, but I'm sure they will be there at their pace. I would add Roberto Alomar, Vlad Guerrero, Craig Biggio and Jeff Bagwell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheDevilAndGodAreRagingInsideMe 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2007 I concur. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
naiwf 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2007 One of the voters said it was because Babe Ruth didn't receive 100% of the votes. On that note, how come no one has been voted into the HOF unanimously? I believe Tom Seaver has the highest percentage, receiving 98.8% of the votes. I mean, there's a laundry list of guys who should've got 100% of the votes(Ruth, DiMaggio, Mays, Aaron, Williams, Walter Johnson etc...) Joe D didn't even get INTO the Hall on his first 2 tries. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2007 I have a feeling Bonds won't get in, or at least will have to wait a few years. The Joe D thing amazes me. And who didn't vote for Aaron? Stupid writers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheDevilAndGodAreRagingInsideMe 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2007 I'd love for Bonds to not get in. But I know he will. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2007 I'd vote for Bonds based on the pre-steroid years. Check out Al's blog. He writes about Dimaggio. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mik 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2007 Holding Bonds out of the HOF is retardation on the highest level and anyone who backs such a position really needs to strongly consider how WRONG they are. He's a jerk. He probably did roids, yes. But Barry was too good for too long, including multiple MVPs in years when steroids weren't even in question. Not to mention he was otherwordly and feared like no hitter (not named Babe Ruth) in history from 2001-2004. Hundreds of players were taking steroids at the time but none even came close to being the hitter and force that Bonds was. People have to get on their high horse and preach to the moral fabric of America, but a HOF without Bonds is not a HOF. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheDevilAndGodAreRagingInsideMe 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2007 No doubt Bonds was a Hall lock, pre-roids. But he did them, and shattered records left and right, which can't be denied either. I can't put him in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Youth N Asia 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2007 I think Bonds will get in, even first time through, but I wouldn't be surpised to see him just get the 75% or so Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2007 No doubt Bonds was a Hall lock, pre-roids. But he did them, and shattered records left and right, which can't be denied either. I can't put him in. Well Jayon Stark said. he would vote for Bonds based on the pre-roid years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Youth N Asia 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2007 I also wonder how guys like Gwen, Cal, Ryan, and Ozzie don't just get 100% of the ballot. Anyone who didn't put in Cal or Tony this year, if I was in charge of the ballots it'd be hard to not call them up and go "reeeeeally now?" Some people just belong there Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheDevilAndGodAreRagingInsideMe 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2007 Has anyone ever got every single vote? I think Ty Cobb got something like 99%. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
naiwf 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2007 I also wonder how guys like Gwen, Cal, Ryan, and Ozzie don't just get 100% of the ballot. Anyone who didn't put in Cal or Tony this year, if I was in charge of the ballots it'd be hard to not call them up and go "reeeeeally now?" Some people just belong there Please stop calling Tony Gwynn Gwen. Seaver has the record at 98.83%, Ryan is second at 98.79% and Ripken is now # 3 at 98.53% Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2007 Gossage is probably a lock for next year, as there aren't a great list of first-timers as far as I know. It's also going to be his 15th year on the ballot, I think. Thirteenth. He retired in 1994. Who is added to the ballot next year?From the Hall of Hame site: Shawon Dunston, Travis Fryman, David Justice, Mike Morgan, Tim Raines, Randy Velarde That's probably not a comprehensive list. Here's a list I put together of who's eligible next year, again not everyone will necessarily be on the ballot. Brady Anderson Delino DeShields Shawon Dunston Darrin Fletcher Travis Fryman David Justice Chuck Knoblauch Darren Lewis Tim Raines Lee Stevens John Valentin Randy Velarde Andy Benes Chuck Finley Mike Morgan Robb Nen Jose Rijo Todd Sottlemyre Greg Swindell Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheDevilAndGodAreRagingInsideMe 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2007 So, which hat will be on Gossage's bust in 2008? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2007 Knoblauch's been out of baseball since 2002? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2007 I'd be very surprised if its not the Yankees, as it should be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheDevilAndGodAreRagingInsideMe 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2007 He left the Yankees as a free agent after 2001, then had a miserable year for Kansas City the next year and that was it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2007 Holding Bonds out of the HOF is retardation on the highest level and anyone who backs such a position really needs to strongly consider how WRONG they are. He's a jerk. He probably did roids, yes. But Barry was too good for too long, including multiple MVPs in years when steroids weren't even in question. Not to mention he was otherwordly and feared like no hitter (not named Babe Ruth) in history from 2001-2004. Hundreds of players were taking steroids at the time but none even came close to being the hitter and force that Bonds was. People have to get on their high horse and preach to the moral fabric of America, but a HOF without Bonds is not a HOF. So you agree that Pete Rose should be in, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheDevilAndGodAreRagingInsideMe 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2007 Pete Rose signed a lifetime banishment agreement. It sucks to be him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mik 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2007 Yes, I do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted January 10, 2007 Why did players lose votes or have a lower % of votes? Bert Blyleven lost 17 votes. Jim Rice gained 11 more votes but dropped in % of votes. Frequently when there are two or more locks on the ballots, the vote totals of the rest drop. This is either because voters don't want to crowd the podium or (more likely) it is simply the mathematical result of the rest of the players essentially competing for an eight spot ballot instead of ten. Here's the complete list of players who retired after 2002... http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/...002_final.shtml Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Princess Leena Report post Posted January 10, 2007 Holding Bonds out of the HOF is retardation on the highest level and anyone who backs such a position really needs to strongly consider how WRONG they are. He's a jerk. He probably did roids, yes. But Barry was too good for too long, including multiple MVPs in years when steroids weren't even in question. Not to mention he was otherwordly and feared like no hitter (not named Babe Ruth) in history from 2001-2004. Hundreds of players were taking steroids at the time but none even came close to being the hitter and force that Bonds was. People have to get on their high horse and preach to the moral fabric of America, but a HOF without Bonds is not a HOF. How do you know when Bonds started taking steroids, or whatever he did? That's my issue with him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
