Imus Remarks

[Mecca 0]

Why is it acceptable for black comedians or tv personalities to make stereotype jokes about white people but if a white guy does it it's racist......

[bob_barron 0]

Imus should be fired for his awful apology, not for what he said

[EricMM 0]

Why is it acceptable for black comedians or tv personalities to make stereotype jokes about white people but if a white guy does it it's racist......

Remember a few hundred years ago?

 

We were bad

[Slayer 0]

I hope your neck isn't sore from the cross you're bearing

[EricMM 0]

The jig's up.

 

It was sarcasm all along, to a point. The point is, many people do think that, people who, instead of a cross, still bear a chip on their shoulder, from 100 years ago.

[Ripper 0]

Dear Lord the whining. Every time a story comes out with a white person saying something stupid or a black person saying something stupid it goes "Black people can say what they want and whites can't" or "See, blacks are racist but noone says anything"

 

"Whaa whaa, black comedians say stuff and get away with it, but white ones don't as long as I completely ignore Sarah Silverman, Ralphie May, Ari whats his face and the dozens of other white comedians whose act is race related or shock humor don't actually exist...they are figments of our imagination."

 

Stop fucking crying. I know I will never understand the white mans burden and how tough it is coming up in a society where you are the 80 percent majority, thus I can never understand your pain, but seriously....stop whining.

 

He said something stupid and racist. This isn't an attack on the white race. Its an attack on a strange looking guy that said somthing racist. And yes, it is racist. I know in this new anti politically correct era, as long as you don't say nigger, its not racist, but i find it hard to believe that if it was a all white girls team out there he would have called them nappy headed hos. His comment was and insult that was derived from their race. It was a racist comment. I don't know why he is aplogizing to Sharpton or who ever the fuck else, but he said it. It was racist, and MSNBC now are in "lets not lose sponsors" mode.

 

And the few hundred years ago thing is cute. Whatever helps with the whining I guess.

[Mecca 0]

I will seriously mock and laugh in the face of anyone who brings slavery up as some reason.....no one alive today was a slave or owned slaves.

[bob_barron 0]

Imus is a known racist though. It's not like this was a one-time thing.

[snuffbox 0]

That's not what Imus told me.

[snuffbox 0]

Well, I guess I'm not really sure what he told me over the tv.

[Ripper 0]

I will seriously mock and laugh in the face of anyone who brings slavery up as some reason.....no one alive today was a slave or owned slaves.

 

What the hell does slavery have to do with anything? Here is a clue. If you see someone on television arguing for:

 

1: Apologizing over slavery

2: Reparations

 

They are likely retarded or a part of some group wanting money.

 

"Five score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we stand today signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of their captivity. But one hundred years later, we must face the tragic fact that the Negro is still not free.

One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later, the Negro is still languished in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in his own land."

 

The reason it was so powerful is because it was true. Civil Rights Act...1964. Was still being fought HARD until the fucking 70's. Most of my generations parents felt what it was like to not truely be free. It wasn't exactly a picnic for us late 70's early 80's babies either.

 

Slavery was sad and blah blah blah. And I agree. Every slave owner should have to apologize and give reparations to every slave. They can meet at my apartment... I am sure I have room for everyone that should show up.

 

But no clear thinking person gives two shits about slavery outside of "Wow, may ancestors went through something." Clear thinking people have better shit to do with their time than to blame alive people for the flaws for their dead relatives.

[EricMM 0]

It's not like anyone is saying that it wasn't racist. Some people are saying it wasn't THAT racist, and it certainly wasn't as racist as it was masogynist, but yes. You can't refer to black people as having nappy hair because it refers to them as ... having black hair?

[EricMM 0]

And the reason, or at least one of the reasons, white people get so mad about this is that we are sick of hearing about people talking about reparations and stuff like that. Most white people don't come from people that owned slaves.

[Ripper 0]

It's not like anyone is saying that it wasn't racist. Some people are saying it wasn't THAT racist, and it certainly wasn't as racist as it was masogynist, but yes. You can't refer to black people as having nappy hair because it refers to them as ... having black hair?

 

Its the same as when people were arguing that the guy that screamed to Serena Williams " Yeah, hit the ball like any Negro would" wasn't racist because Negro isn't a racist term.

 

The Hos part was misogynist, the nappy headed part was racist. Unless we are going to start pretending that context doesn't exist.

[EricMM 0]

I'm not saying it's not that racist.

 

I don't even know why I'm saying anything at all. But when I was a kid in school lots of people called other people nappy headed so n so's (bitches, bammas, fools)

 

It's weird to find out that they were being racist. Of course, they were mostly black.

[bobobrazil1984 0]

It's not like anyone is saying that it wasn't racist. Some people are saying it wasn't THAT racist, and it certainly wasn't as racist as it was masogynist, but yes. You can't refer to black people as having nappy hair because it refers to them as ... having black hair?

 

Its the same as when people were arguing that the guy that screamed to Serena Williams " Yeah, hit the ball like any Negro would" wasn't racist because Negro isn't a racist term.

 

The Hos part was misogynist, the nappy headed part was racist. Unless we are going to start pretending that context doesn't exist.

 

the funny (in a not-that-funny way) is that this is one of the (rare?) cases where seeing the whole context actually makes it seem worse. I saw a video of the whole segment, leading up to and after, including all the comments... its very off-the-cuff, but it's all also very clearly racial.

 

during any 'racial controversy' you can always tell which people harbor a racial dislike, because at the end of the day, they're more upset that they can't be racist without people criticizing than they are about the actual racism!!! "Hypocrisy" alone is always the argument of the weak - political ppl do it all the time - can't defend a Bush action well? Scream and kick about what Clinton did instead (switch the names if you want, same point).

[Ripper 0]

And the reason, or at least one of the reasons, white people get so mad about this is that we are sick of hearing about people talking about reparations and stuff like that. Most white people don't come from people that owned slaves.

 

 

And something that some white people don't get is that there isn't some invisible tube connecting all black people making us one entity. We are actually separate people with separate views. If a black guy says something stupid like "Blacks should get reparations" then THAT black guy is a fucking idiot. But that doesn't get said. They say "There go BLACKS again talking about slavery. If Fred Phelps says that it’s good that US soldiers die because America is a land of fags, then it’s Fred Phelps who is a disgusting idiot. But no one says "There go WHITES again talking about homosexuals". Most black people know OJ is a killer, don't care about repararations, aren't fans of Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton and never watched UPN on Mondays.

 

So some white people are sick about hearing about slavery? Why not notice it’s the same fucking people talking about it all the time. I think if you start looking at every negative story or statement made by a white person and imagine what it would feel like if you were held equally responsible for said statement you would maybe start to understand the frustration when some people get on the "whoa is the burden of the white man" and the "you can't be racist against white people" BS.

 

Perfect example, Michael Richards goes on a racist rant. Not once did I see it written "This proves white people are racist" or "This proves the problem of racism in the white community". It turned into "What was Michael Richards thinking" or the ever so popular "Well, black people say it all the time. If he had been a rapper there would have been no problem". Tim Hardaway goes all homophobe, and off the top of my head I can think of 4 articles saying how it proved the problem of homophobia in the black community, and dozens upon dozens statements by bloggers about how it proves that blacks are the most intolerant people. Because Tim Hardaway suddenly became black PEOPLE instead of ball headed dude that looks like the guy that had that song "I wish I was a little bit taller".

[EricMM 0]

Fine. It just seems like Sharpton is getting more bent out of shape about this than anything else, and should be called out for that as well. Like I said, people have been calling each other nappy-headed forever, and not fighting over it.

 

"It may be nappy, but we'll make it snappy" was a line from a barber on some show, Martin or Living Single or something. Was he being racist?

[Ripper 0]

I'm not saying it's not that racist.

 

I don't even know why I'm saying anything at all. But when I was a kid in school lots of people called other people nappy headed so n so's (bitches, bammas, fools)

 

It's weird to find out that they were being racist. Of course, they were mostly black.

 

 

I will never undestand why it is so hard to for people to wrap their head around this.

 

A group of girls are laughing giggling and playfully call one another bitch. You walk up and say "Hey bitches, how are you doing tonight". Would you expect them to be upset?

 

A bunch of smokers are outside and another comes up, gets alight and says "We are all going to die of cancer". Do you think noone would get upset if you, not smoking a cig walks by some smokers and says "You are all going to die of cancer" to them?

 

Think of the other thousands of incidents where you saying something wouldn't be appropriate when others can say it because of the context that it come with. It isn't a rarity. Its nothing that is hard to find.

 

So why is it SO weird that blacks can joke about things to other blacks that would at the very least be awkward and inappropriate for others to say? It occurs everywhere all the time with all these differnet cases.

 

Context eric. You are still pretending that it doesn't exist.

[Ripper 0]

Fine. It just seems like Sharpton is getting more bent out of shape about this than anything else, and should be called out for that as well. Like I said, people have been calling each other nappy-headed forever, and not fighting over it.

 

"It may be nappy, but we'll make it snappy" was a line from a barber on some show, Martin or Living Single or something. Was he being racist?

 

If someone called a black person a "Big lipped nappy headed negro" is that not racist too because his lips are larger than the average white persons and his hair isn't straight and Negro isn't a racist term?

 

I don't see how you could possibly not be seeing a differnence here.

[EricMM 0]

Maybe we're just sick of the double standard.

 

No, definitely.

 

You want nigger/nigga? Fine. But I can't say that? Messed up.

 

Please note that I have never ever called anyone a nigger, spic, wop, kike, chink, fag, etc etc. But I am sick and tired of having entire phrases just disallowed to me because I am white, even as my friends and companions say it. It's a freaking lexicon. Besides which, it's an insult.

 

I understand context, and I understand that Imus might be racist. But mightn't I be saying that someone just has a big afro? When you're dissing someone you work with what you can get...

[Guest Queen Leelee]

You can, but I'm not gonna argue with someone as stupid as you.

The irony of this one is astounding.

[Guest Queen Leelee]

Its the same as when people were arguing that the guy that screamed to Serena Williams " Yeah, hit the ball like any Negro would" wasn't racist because Negro isn't a racist term.

Who seriously argued that?

[Slayer 0]

Just let everyone be openly racist

 

There, a solution for all

[Ripper 0]

Its not a double standard.

 

One one hand, the word nigger comes with a history when uttered from white people of oppression, violence, and hatred and a powerful insult.

 

When it comes from blacks with "nigga" it got turned into a adjective. Thats it. It could have negative meanings, positive, either one. But what it is without is the history it has coming from whites. A standard has been set for over a hundred years for a certain race and not for another.

 

And to quote Chris Rock when someone asked him why can't they say it, Why would you want to?

 

In what situation would you be in that you need to say nigga?

 

There isn't a white person walking that haven't been taught saying Nigga to a black person would be seen as a insult. You know this. So in saying it, I know that you KNOW its inappropriate.

 

Once again, lets not pretend here. Context is the word the day. in the examples I presented earlier are you saying you think its not fair that you aren't allowed to walk up to random women and call them bitches because they might do in their circle of friends? If you think that is unfair, then fine, you are right, its a double standard. But something tells me that there are words, insults and such that are said amoung your friends that are acceptable but if some guy off the street said them to you, there would be problems.

[Ripper 0]

Its the same as when people were arguing that the guy that screamed to Serena Williams " Yeah, hit the ball like any Negro would" wasn't racist because Negro isn't a racist term.

Who seriously argued that?

Talk radio in Atlanta and oddly the majority of the people were saying how it was slander that she said he used a racist term when he was just heckling her if all he said was that, Or you can look at that talkback section of ESPN to see. And the comments section of at least my local paper (AJC). It really was argued.

[EricMM 0]

But you're not talking about friends, Ripper.

 

You're talking about black vs. white.

 

Quick who has that .gif of that black kid from Katrina? "That's racist!"

[Guest Queen Leelee]

Its the same as when people were arguing that the guy that screamed to Serena Williams " Yeah, hit the ball like any Negro would" wasn't racist because Negro isn't a racist term.

Who seriously argued that?

Talk radio in Atlanta and oddly the majority of the people were saying how it was slander that she said he used a racist term when he was just heckling her if all he said was that, Or you can look at that talkback section of ESPN to see. And the comments section of at least my local paper (AJC). It really was argued.

Wow, that's disturbing.

 

Not only was he obviously racist, but he threatened her too. It was really sad to see how Serena had to handle that.

 

As far as the definition of "nigger", nowadays, I have no idea. It's all over the place. So, I just call everyone a nigga.

[Ripper 0]

But you're not talking about friends, Ripper.

 

You're talking about black vs. white.

 

Quick who has that .gif of that black kid from Katrina? "That's racist!"

 

I am pointing out how the same word can be used amoung one group but not among others.

 

There is a certain irony involved about using a racial slur about someone of the same race. If a person of a different race does it, the irony is gone. Then its just a racial slur. Once again...I just don't see how this is confusing because its not like it is a rarity in life.

[EricMM 0]

So telling someone that they have nappy hair will be and always is a racial slur and not a comment about hair.