ROH 4/27 and Good Times, Great Memories (4/28) shows

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The cards

 

4/27

St. Paul

 

ROH World Title

Takeshi Morishima Vs Austin Aries

 

FIP World Heavyweight Title

Roderick Strong Vs Christopher Daniels

 

World Tag Team Titles

Ultimate Endurance Rules

Jay and Mark Briscoe Vs Mike Quackenbush and Jigsaw Vs Pelle Primeau and Mitch Franklin Vs Hallowicked and Gran Akuma

 

Anything Goes

Colt Cabana and Homicide Vs Brent Albright and Adam Pearce W/Shane Hagadorn

 

Special Challenge

BJ Whitmer Vs Shingo

 

FCS

Jack Evans Vs Delirious Vs Rocky Romero Vs Erick Stevens

 

SHIMMER Tag Team

Lacey and Rain Vs Sara Del Ray and Allison Danger

 

4/28-GOOD TIMES, GREAT MEMORIES

 

Farewell Match

Adam Pearce Vs Colt Cabana

 

ROH World Title

Takeshi Morishima Vs Shingo

 

ROH World Tag Titles

Jay and Mark Briscoe Vs Alex Shelley and Chris Sabin

 

Grudge Match

Jack Evans Vs Roderick Strong

 

Grudge Match

Rocky Romero Vs Austin Aries

 

Three Way Dance

Homicide Vs BJ Whitmer Vs Brent Albright

 

Six Man Mayhem

Mike Quackenbush Vs Hallowicked Vs Jigsaw Vs Pelle Primeau Vs Delirious Vs Gran Akuma

 

Special Challenge

Erick Stevens Vs Christopher Daniels

[King Cucaracha 0]

Good Times, Great Memories looks like it could be one of the best shows of the year going by the card. Legitimately, any match on the show could wind up stealing it, outside of maybe Daniels/Stevens (which should be a really good match nonetheless, I'm a big fan of Stevens).

 

Fingers crossed the CHIKARA crew impress.

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4/27 results

 

1). Minnesota Home Wrecking Crew d. Dangerous Angels via Implant DDT from Lacey on Danger

 

2). (Do or Die) Rhett Titus Vs ?-No Contest (Rave attacks Titus)

 

3). Jimmy Rave D. ? via Heel Hook

 

4). Shingo D. BJ Whitmer with Modified Psycho Driver. “Great Match”

 

5). Ultimate Endurance Match

A). Jay Briscoe taps Franklin via Stretch Plum

B). Jay and Mark pin Akuma via Legdrop-Burning Hammer Combo

C). Jay and Mark pins Quackenbush and Jigsaw via Spring Board Doomsday Device

 

6). Albright and Pearce D. Homicide and Cabana via high angle German suplex on Cabana. “wild, fantastic brawl”

 

7). Romero d. Evans via Tiger Suplex in FCS with Delirious and Erick Stevens

 

8). Strong d. Daniels via count out when Daniels was stuck in barricade

 

9). Morishima d. Aries via backdrop driver

“Aries was getting demolished but is making a comeback.

-Aries gets The Combo! MORISHIMA GETS THE FEET ON THE ROPES!

-Aries goes for another 450. Morishima's up...BACKDROP DRIVER OFF THE TOP ROPE! LARIAT! 1...2..........NO! ARIES KICKS OUT!

-Backdrop Driver! 1...2...3! "

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I like the call back to the Joe beating Combo by Aries. Kicking out of a Top Rope Backdrop Driver and Lariat seems a little... odd. That should end just about anyone.

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Chicago Results

 

1). Delirious d. Akuma in 6MM with Quackenbush, Jigsaw, Hallowicked, and Primeau

 

2.) Erick Stevens and Christopher Daniels goes to 15 minute draw. Christopher Daniels cuts a promo and announces he's out of ROH for good by burying ROH, Allison Danger and praised TNA. He stared down BJ Whitmer on his way out. (He leaves on a heel slant in case he ever does return, leaving him with a ready made angle)

 

3.) Brent Albright d. Whitmer via Exploder in 4CS with Rave and Homicide. Rave appeared to re-injure the Jaw and left the match.

 

4.) Austin Aries d. Romero via 450 Splash. Strong attacks Aries after the match but Delirious makes the save

 

(ROH Returns to Chicago in June with the returning Bryan Danielson, Marufuji and KENTA. Danielson Vs KENTA is booked)

 

5.) Morishima d. Shingo via Backdrop Driver

 

6.) Bobby Dempsey Vs Sugerfoot is no-contest as Tank Toland comes out and takes out Sugerfoot. Offers to train Dempsey.

 

7.) Roderick Strong d. Jack Evans. Romero joins in on a post-match beat down but Delirious makes another save

 

8.) Briscoes d. Motor City Machine Guns (Sabin and Shelley) in "awesome match".

 

9.) Colt Cabana d. Adam Pearce via submission in emotional farewell filled with speeches, locker room celebration and streamers.

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Daniels is gone and I loved how he left. The way he came in. A pissed off heel against ROH. He might deserve a farewell show like Cabana got but I think Daniels knows this is the way to go for him.

 

The Tag Title match looks like a must-see.

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Add Shingo to the departure list with Cabana and Daniels. Shingo goes back to Dragon Gate. Although Shingo will probably return in time.

[theintensifier 0]

Aries kicked out of a top-rope backdrop driver and a lariat? Ridiculous. And he main events one show and is at the bottom of the card on the next. Ridiculous, again. The report I read said Daniels was legitimately injured after his match with Strong.

 

What's next with ROH? They're losing Daniels and Cabana now, who's the next to be groomed into ROH stardom?

[Corkscrew_Senton 0]

So long as Russo or Dutch Mantell weren't allowed anywhere near it, an ROH-TNA feud would be all kinds of awesome.

[theintensifier 0]

At first glance it would be, but being realistic proves that it would be a diaster. The TNA crew (Jarrett/Sting/Angle/Christian/others) wouldn't lay down for any of the TNA talent. And, Ring of Honor doesn't have the talent base it once proudly had.

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Yeah, most of them work for TNA now.

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I didn't know Bryan Danielson, Jimmy Jacobs, Jimmy Rave, Nigel McGuinness, Takeshi Morishima, Roderick Strong, Delirious, KENTA, Brent Albright, Erick Stevens, Jay and Mark Briscoe, Mike Quackenbush, BJ Whitmer, Lacey, Allison Danger, Sara Del Ray, Matt Sydal Adam Pearce, Rocky Romero and Jack Evans signed with TNA.

 

Look, only a very small handful of workers from ROH were with TNA. (Joe, Daniels, 'Cide, Shelley, Aries and Sabin). MCMG are going to work more ROH dates as well and Aries isn't going anywhere.

 

Why is it when ROH lets a couple guys go, a pool of idiocy bubbles up and you get these "What are they going to do now?" speculation? ROH is a promotion run by competent bookers and owners. Danielson's return next month more then recoups the lost of Christopher Daniels. Let's face it, Daniels had run his course in ROH.

 

Whats the big deal about Aries main eventing one night and sliding down to the mid-card? ROH is a promotion that doesn't depend one person to headline. A great deal of talent can be the main event. Aries is in the top angle right now in ROH, he's in good shape regardless of being in the mid-card match.

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Okay, you can add Allison Danger to the list of departures. Obviously, the end is here for ROH. Danger is open to the future but is gone for the time being.

[theintensifier 0]

I didn't know Bryan Danielson, Jimmy Jacobs, Jimmy Rave, Nigel McGuinness, Takeshi Morishima, Roderick Strong, Delirious, KENTA, Brent Albright, Erick Stevens, Jay and Mark Briscoe, Mike Quackenbush, BJ Whitmer, Lacey, Allison Danger, Sara Del Ray, Matt Sydal Adam Pearce, Rocky Romero and Jack Evans signed with TNA.

 

Look, only a very small handful of workers from ROH were with TNA. (Joe, Daniels, 'Cide, Shelley, Aries and Sabin). MCMG are going to work more ROH dates as well and Aries isn't going anywhere.

 

Why is it when ROH lets a couple guys go, a pool of idiocy bubbles up and you get these "What are they going to do now?" speculation? ROH is a promotion run by competent bookers and owners. Danielson's return next month more then recoups the lost of Christopher Daniels. Let's face it, Daniels had run his course in ROH.

 

Whats the big deal about Aries main eventing one night and sliding down to the mid-card? ROH is a promotion that doesn't depend one person to headline. A great deal of talent can be the main event. Aries is in the top angle right now in ROH, he's in good shape regardless of being in the mid-card match.

Whoa...settle down there bud. I don't see the point of listing all of the ROH talent base, but whatever. Those guys you've listed are vastly talented, but none of them can compare to an Angle or Sting in superstar value or popularity. That's what I was saying.

 

And I think its very uncalled for you to say: Why is it when ROH lets a couple guys go, a pool of idiocy bubbles up and you get these "What are they going to do now?" speculation? I asked a simple question of who are they going to groom into ROH stardom to replace the ones they've lost recently.

 

I'm just not a huge fan of the ECW-ish style of their booking, where everyone hates everyone and everyone is in a feud at once together.

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I wasn't directly attaching that to you, it's across the board. It was really ugly when Low Ki and Abyss left and the Joe departure. Everytime some relative big name leaves, this rise of panic sets in with people even if its unfounded. They lose 2-3 guys but recover with a huge influx of guys coming in like Quackenbush, Steen and others.

 

They aren't supposed to measure up to Angle and Sting. That's an entirely different spectrum. Those guys aren't ROH talent and ROH will never need them. They wouldn't be worth the high price tag attached to them.

 

The reason I attached all those names is because that's the strength of ROH. They have a loaded roster that works well and attracts their central core and aren't with TNA. Meaning they don't rely on the star power of TNA.

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I think you were confused from my post. I was talking about a TNA/ROH war...

[SamoaRowe 0]

Exactly, there was a comment made a few posts up that a "TNA-ROH" feud would be awesome if Dutch and Russo had nothing to do with it. In that scenario, it would be unrealistic to expect guys like Angle and Sting to be willing to put over guys like Nigel and Danielson who have never been on a national stage before (other than gigs jobbing on C shows, of course). It would make for a good EWR diary, but would never work in real life.

[Dobbs 3K 0]

OK, I laughed out loud when I read this:

 

1). Minnesota Home Wrecking Crew d. Dangerous Angels via Implant DDT from Lacey on Danger

 

Best name for a female tag team ever, I think.

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Exactly, there was a comment made a few posts up that a "TNA-ROH" feud would be awesome if Dutch and Russo had nothing to do with it. In that scenario, it would be unrealistic to expect guys like Angle and Sting to be willing to put over guys like Nigel and Danielson who have never been on a national stage before (other than gigs jobbing on C shows, of course). It would make for a good EWR diary, but would never work in real life.

 

I did miss that TNA-ROH war comment, which did lead to the confusion to why Intense was saying what he did. People have expected this "war" to happen for the better part of the last 3 years but it hasn't and I don't ever expect it too. TNA won't send it's big guns down to work these shows and those that they were, are already generally accepted by the ROH fanbase. ROH already did the CZW program and it was a big success. Doing another promotion isn't needed. Daniels was just using TNA to get heat at the show and possibly setting up a return with him and Whitmer if he should ever come back.

 

Losing Danger, I think was worse. Not sure why she's being taken off shows. There is a great deal of talent she can manage and she can still be the Shimmer worker. I'd like to turn again and align with someone like Sweeney and Tank. She could also remain a face and reunite with BJ. S

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I wasn't directly attaching that to you, it's across the board. It was really ugly when Low Ki and Abyss left and the Joe departure. Everytime some relative big name leaves, this rise of panic sets in with people even if its unfounded.

 

 

Who ARE these people?

 

And who's to say a feud with TNA "is not needed"? Are you in charge of booking ROH? If the circumstances were right, why wouldn't national TV exposure be "needed" for ROH? TNA is a much better fed -- even with the crazy booking of late -- than CZW and has a cable TV deal. If you think Gabe wouldn't want to get his company some more exposure, and thus more fan interest, keep dreaming.

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Gabe himself has said he has no current intentions of going national and perfers to stay where he is. "Those people", usually are the nutjobs at the ROH Board who over react to a great deal of things although the lost of Daniels is more celebratory then the usual departure.

[King Cucaracha 0]

Yeah, why walk before you can run? Trying to be bigger than you're meant to be was part of what contributed to ECW's downfall, what gave MLW problems, what killed the FWA, what's hamstrung IWA:Mid South for the past few years and it's what's contributing to TNA's problems. You can't just decide one day to be a national promotion. If it happens naturally, like ECW at first, great. If not, why roll the dice on a big gamble when it's proven so many times to be the death of so many promotions. Sure, any promoter would want to be more successful than they currently are. But what's wrong with being successful at a certain level?

 

There's tons, tons of talent on the indie scene who can fill gaps on the roster. I could probably name ten off the top of my head who'd fit in ROH who aren't on the active roster. The only big problem I see is that the guys they bring in are going to need a good 6 months to get credibility to go into main event, unless they catch fire like Delirious did. Might be a case of a few months of 'rejuvination' while the new talent get over.

 

But there's potential main-eventers there already. IMO, they could do a LOT more with Claudio right now. Throw in Hero, Pearce, Nigel and Rave who are all kinda on the cusp, in and out of the mains. Those are the guys they should concentrate on, more-so than the Dragon Gate and NOAH guys who aren't available every show and should be 'attractions' as much as anything.

 

Oh, and it's obvious to me at least Steen and Generico are going to be getting the big push if they can commit to being regulars. Seems like after The Briscoes match the plan is to split them eventually. One Steen vs. Generico match should be enough to put them both over the top, they're awesome opponents.

[theintensifier 0]

Super Dragon.

[Corkscrew_Senton 0]

The ROH board makes me sad for humanity. I know what you're saying King Cucaracha, I'm just saying a feud with TNA wouldn't require that commitment from ROH, it would be piggybacking off what TNA already has. Obviously it's not like it matters since this is a pipe dream that'll never happen.