OAO Vengeance PPV Thread

[TheDevilAndGodAreRagingInsideMe 0]

Cena/Foley/Orton/Lashley/Booker was a fun match for what it was, but it was too short, and had a painfully predictable ending.

[LivingLegendGaryColeman 0]

I was shocked/surprised with the Nitro win, but still not so much. Despite the Champion of Champions stuff and the uber-Lashley push, the title still feels more like a midcard title.

[RedJed 0]

The show as a whole seemed like a rip-off from top to bottom. I had hope for the show as most of these thrown together ppvs end up delivering strong (see lst year's Armageddon for an example) but this one just was bland and basic as ever. Nothing was even above ***, seemed like I was watching a multi-brand amped up house show essentially. Left me VERY underwhelmed, especially at the way the main event was booked, and the little time it was given when those guys could have EASILY gone another 10-15 minutes since there was time left before the top of the hour. Its painfully obvious the writers are more concerned with the Vince angle more than anything and pretty much half-assed this effort (or lack thereof).

 

In theory, they should have just taken this off ppv altogether, kept the same lineup and ran it tomorrow night for the three hour show alongside the Vince Memorial gimmick. I wouldnt have felt nearly as bad about the show then.

[Scroby 0]

I couldn't watch the PPV tonight as I had a busy day (Pride Parade and working a wrestling show) and I read the short results and the one thing that baffles me is, why have those title matches but only have two title changes? I guess only one technically since the ECW title was going to go to a new person anyways, but that sorta baffles me a bit.

 

As Nitro being the ECW champion...the personnal reason aside from Beniot not being able to make it, who else were they going to go with to replace Beniot. At a booking stand point, you can't go with Burke or Cor Von because they already lost contendership matches, so having one of them replace Beniot would make little to no sense.......actually I take that back, it could have made sense but only with Burke. Just say because Beniot couldn't attend the show, Burke takes Beniot's place because thats who he wrestled on Tuesday to try and advance to the match at the PPV. So who do you go with if not Burke and Cor Von....Nitro.

 

I know what your thinking, "two weeks ago, Nitro was on heat!" blah, blah,blah. Nitro is a pretty damn good heel when given the chance to shine, he's talented in the ring and on the mic and honestly can get the job done when it comes down to it. Now again, I didn't see the match, i'm just going off what I've seen of Nitro's work. If pushed correctly and Nitro isn't made to be a transitional champion, Nitro could be a good top heel for ECW and hell who knows, maybe the plan was for Nitro to chase either Punk or Beniot after tonight's ppv and due to Beniot's issue it was decided to go ahead and give Nitro the belt and do reverse booking and have either Punk or Beniot go after Jonny Nitro's ECW title.

 

I honestly just say, lets wait and see where things go before we go all crazy over Nitro being the ECW champion. Hell it might to lead to something actually good.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

Honestly, I think they wanted to put the title on Benoit. Since he missed the show, Nitro is a transitional champion. I wouldn't be surprised to see Benoit win the title within two weeks.

[AntiLeaf33 0]

Honestly, I think they wanted to put the title on Benoit. Since he missed the show, Nitro is a transitional champion. I wouldn't be surprised to see Benoit win the title within two weeks.

 

Thats what I'm thinking. Worse case for Nitro: He loses the belt tonight or tomorrow on ECW. Best Case: Honestly, if he keeps the belt till the Bash I would be very surprised.

 

I really have nothing against Nitro, but right now, he does not seem like a World Champion. The guy is good with a hell of a lot of potential, but with him as the Champion, ECW looks weak as hell (not that it ever looked overly strong to start with). I'd say have Benoit or Punk beat him for the title, and start an uppercard fued with the other top face who is not Champ.

[Golgo 13 0]

Yes, I would have vastly preferred Punk. However...

 

Certainly McMahon holding it didn't help but the ECW Title became a mid-card elevation belt once Lashley won it, the very defintion of a belt as a prop. That's all it's good for, nothing more, nothing less, it'll never be recognized on the same level as the other two major WWE titles. Much like how ECW is said to be becoming nothing more than a high profile developmental fed the ECW Title right now, under that circumstance, is simply like if they were to name a Velocity Champion.

 

I don't really mind so much, the ECW brand is already fucked as it is, it's been this way for months. Frankly I don't care that Nitro was teaming and losing with Kenny two weeks ago since you can easily write off a faltering tag team. It's kind of a JBL situation where, if he keeps the belt for any length of time I think it'll grow on me. I just don't know if, besides Punk and Benoit, there are any worthy opponents to help Nitro since he's sorely lacking in charisma and presence, two points that became apparent about JBL during his run.

 

Anyway what'll it say about Punk if Benoit just marches in and takes the title within two weeks. Let Nitro at least put up a fight with the belt for a couple months and see what he can do.

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

If they're going to push Nitro as anything other than a transitional champ, though, giving him some wins over established talent during inter-brand matches could help a lot. That's an instant mega-push, really: jobber gets fluke shot at title, wins, and then proves himself over and over again by winning constantly. Again, assuming it's not a transitional reign, which it likely is, I'd like to see Nitro be an Edge-type heel: not necessarily overtly cheating to win and keep the belt, but being smart and sneaky enough to retain the title in extremely cheap ways.

[Golgo 13 0]

That's probably the best idea if they go that route. I know it wasn't necessarily an aspect of the ECW revitalization that people liked but maybe you can bring back the 'guest wrestler from another brand comes in for a match' thing with Nitro and let him gain credibility that way.

[Vanhalen 0]

Thanks to everyone who made the chatroom a big success last night, it took time but we finally got a good stream up and running

[Wrestlefreak 0]

I actually like Nitro and I think he is underrated, but in the absence of Benoit, CM Punk should have been put over. Nitro is pretty much heatless right now.

 

I'm no fan of Umaga, but I did enjoy the crowd cheering him last night. I love when the crowd rebel against crap WWE booking.

 

The main-event should have been longer. Even though it was obvious Cena would be put over YET AGAIN in what feels like a never-ending and utterly tiresome ritual, the match itself was good(IMO, mainly due to King Booker. Man I love the King!)

 

The best match on this PPV was Edge/Batista. I'm really glad Edge retained. I hope WWE keeps the belt on him until Taker returns. I can't wait for the Edge/Taker feud.

 

 

[AntiLeaf33 0]

Thanks to everyone who made the chatroom a big success last night, it took time but we finally got a good stream up and running

 

Hmm, if there is one for the Bash, then I may give that a shot and skip the shitty bar viewings. Nothing bad about the bar I go to, but retarded marks sitting next to me going ape shit over Candice Michelle winning the fucking womens title was a little much.

[Vanhalen 0]

We will have a stream up for every PPV from now on. Just a question of finding the one with the best quality each night, as its a bit of trial and error

[AntiLeaf33 0]

We will have a stream up for every PPV from now on. Just a question of finding the one with the best quality each night, as its a bit of trial and error

 

Sounds good, see you at the Bash then

[TheDevilAndGodAreRagingInsideMe 0]

A big problem I see with the ECW title is that it has not been in a prominent place on three straight PPV cards. It has been within the first hour of the show. Judgment Day it went on second, and I believe at One Night Stand as well as last night it was third, taking a back seat to Raw and SmackDown's second-tier titles. Of course Vince holding it for months as well as Lashley holding it without defending it didn't help either.

[Vanhalen 0]

Just one final note about the room, Im keeping it open permanetly, for Raw/Smackdown and ECW/UFC PPV's/TNA PPV's impact and so on, basically anything wrestling thats live that I can find.

[bob_barron 0]

Johnny Nitro winning the ECW Title is one of the dumbest things I've seen. Everyone I was watching the PPV with was just stunned. Just cancel the match if Benoit can't make it, 9 matches was too much anyway

[Mecca 0]

Ok seriously WTF.......I knew Cena was going to win but seriously WTF? I sat down to watch it......and never once did he even remotely look like he was in peril or going to lose.....the match totally sucked on top of that to be honest.

 

I'm either in some minority or I don't "get it" but I am so tired of Cena at this point words can't express how I feel about him........My feelings for him right now are worse than the ones I had for Triple H in 2003.

 

Today is the 281st day of Cena's title reign he has now surpassed his first run......JBL's and Yokozuna's........and there is no end in sight, he's a Hogan esq 80's long reign champ in an era where that doesn't work because he's on TV 100 more times and working many more important matches......

 

This is overkill and like I said it's making me hate the guy.

[Perfxion 0]

Few Live notes from last night:

 

1: Flair was the most over in terms of pure pop, everyone was chanting We want Flair!" well before the PPV began. Batistia was second for his pop and third was Umaga for his beat down on Morrella. The whole crowd was chanting "kill the ref" and "one more time". Benoit had a decent sized chant durring the Punk/Nitro match. Half of my area said piss brake when Nitro's music hit. It might not have come off that well but Booker T was very over with the crowd. Most of the crowd had the pinky up in the air.

 

2: The crowd was pretty dead for a lot of the show. Hardy and Cena had the kiddies and girls screaming through out. Batitsta match seem to have the most heat on the whole card. Most of the legends who were shown were giving no real response. People really didn't care about Steamboat, Windham, Rotund(a/o), Martel, Race, ect. Biggest response was WHO?! The dullest amount of heat was for the SD tag titles, as the crowd was either sitting on their hands for most of it or going to buy food. Snuka looked awful live.

 

3: Crowd seem to hate the fact that they there was only one title change. It seem like a glorrifed house show, rather than a PPV. The only thing that made it seem like a PPV was that there were video packages shown. Everything els seem like this was some friday night event a local event. With the hardy's losing the crowd went with them. MVP winning futher killed the crowd. Umaga getting DQed and Baititsa blowing it twice was the nail in the coffin of people writing off this PPV.

 

4: The Toyota Center was small, so you really felt the pyro. I was directlly across from the entrence and I felt everything from those blast.

[CanadianChris 0]

Wouldn't the investigation be narrowed, and not widened if they found a DNA sample of 'a well known personality'?

Maybe they don't know which well-known personality.

 

Then how do they know its a well known personality?

Don't question the bookers.

[Perfection 0]

Ok seriously WTF.......I knew Cena was going to win but seriously WTF? I sat down to watch it......and never once did he even remotely look like he was in peril or going to lose.....the match totally sucked on top of that to be honest.

 

I'm either in some minority or I don't "get it" but I am so tired of Cena at this point words can't express how I feel about him........My feelings for him right now are worse than the ones I had for Triple H in 2003.

 

Today is the 281st day of Cena's title reign he has now surpassed his first run......JBL's and Yokozuna's........and there is no end in sight, he's a Hogan esq 80's long reign champ in an era where that doesn't work because he's on TV 100 more times and working many more important matches......

 

This is overkill and like I said it's making me hate the guy.

 

You definately aren't the only one because I feel the exact same way. Personally nothing would make me happier than not to see him on tv for at least 6 months. As bad as HHH was back in the day, at least he didn't have the worst move sets in the company, and to say that I'm sick of people falling prey to a glorified firemans carry over and over is an understatement X 100. He has been rammed down our throats for what seems like forever and pretty much buried anyone and everyone he has faced. With the exception of the backstage politics, there is no differance between him and HHH a few years back and Hogan during the 80s and 90s.

[Guest Bammey]

Really didn't like Vengeance too much myself...

 

- Too much Vince talk.

 

- The tag opener, and the Cruiserweight matches were both very decent.

 

- Marella... I don't understand him and neither does the crowd. Hes a jobber holding the Intercontinental title. He has nothing to him. Even in the match he moved with Umaga like a jobber actually jumping on his back trying to get some offense in. The match was painful and I couldn't wait for it to be over. I don't know how much longer they can have him hold the gold. He's been done for weeks.

 

- Very dissapointed Punk/Benoit wasn't on. Was Benoit really out for personal reasons? Punk and Nitro I didn't like and the ending blew. Crowd didn't seem too interested in it either with the 'We Want Benoit' chants, and even a slight 'boring' chant.

 

- Tag Title match with the legends was just as good as any other of those legends vs tag champs matches. Snuka looked bad though.

 

- Flair and MVP wasn't into, and the Women's match was painfully awful.

 

- Edge and Batista was the match of the night. These two over the last two months have been able to work with each other pretty well. You just felt the emotion and the drive Batista had to retain that title. The crowd was hot. You can hate on the ending but it had to be.

 

- The Challenge Match... it was a fun 10-minute spot-to-spot match. There was no build to have anyone take the title off of Cena. The PPV was probably thought not to sell much. It was just put together to be what it was. The whole two weeks Cena's title being in jeopardy wasn't even hyped much. Cena's promos showed him to very calm and confident about the whole match being put together. Nobody was really buried by Cena as Foley took the pin. Lashley had a great high spot in the match but really looked bad the whole other half of the match. Being out from an FU through the ECW table. Looking to come back in and gets a chair shot from Foley back out. Returns a third time spears Orton, then kicks a big sidekick from Booker back out. Who can possibly take the title off of Cena?

[DrVenkman PhD 0]

At least to me anyway, the idea of a long Cena reign and him always winning doesn't bother me in 2007 as much as it did in 2005. In 2005, I wanted Jericho or Angle to become champion. I didn't care if he beat Umaga or Khali in 2007. I really did want Shawn to win the title this summer, but with that off the books, he can keep retaining for all I care. Just keep up the hard work.

[Golgo 13 0]

God. I just saw Santino vs Uuuuumaga. Hilarious. Put the belt back on Umaga and let him destroy challengers for a few months, basically back to before Santino beat him and he was paired with the McMahons, and meanwhile rebuild Marella from the ground up. Though I still think Santino could've worked without the stereotypical Italian shit.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

Just watched this. AWFUL show.

 

Raw Tag Title: Disappointing.

Smackdown Tag Title: Embarassing.

Women's Title: Bad.

U.S. Title: Slow, not good.

IC Title: Bad.

Cruiser Title: Pretty decent, actually, but unimportant due to WWE's booking of the division and wrestlers, and thus not as good or heated as it could've been.

World Title: Pretty good.

ECW Title: Pathetic booking, a shame the workers got shit on for WWE still promoting it as a "World" title match despite the lack of a real star in the match. And for the CM Punk marks, his biggest/most watched win in his career thus far was on the Raw Draft Show this year. That does not a World Title contender make. And Johnny Nitro's biggest wins as of late were against Eugene and Nunzio.

WWE Title: Senseless 10-minute match. The new draftees, Book and Lashley weren't losing. Orton wasn't losing with his new push and wins over HBK, Lashley getting the ball rolling. So the finish was Cena over Foley. Just a bunch of spots. Raw main event.

 

 

For all the shit the "Invasion" storyline got in 2001...Unforgiven 2001 was an 8-match show and 7 of them were title matches. A few of the matches were great, all were pretty good except the Kronik/BoD abortion. That's how you book a night of champions. On that PPV, all of the matches got time save the U.S. title bout, which was an extended squash anyway, and the titles came off MEANING SOMETHING. This show? Like a crack-addicted junkie found some WWF Toys and did his own PPV. A 2 minute IC Title bout? Flair wrestling for a title? FOLEY IN THE MAIN EVENT? JIMMY FUCKING SNUKA IN A TITLE MATCH? What a joke this show was.

[cabbageboy 0]

I don't understand WWE constantly bringing back totally washed up old bums for matches. What exactly do Slaughter, Snuka, or these other old guys have to offer at this point? They are completely washed up. Here's some reality: Jimmy Snuka had his peak years when BOB BACKLUND was the WWF champion. Even as a kid I mostly saw Snuka as a glorified jobber on TV. He means nothing to me. Slaughter also means little to me, since his peak years ended by 1985 or so and them mentioning his title win over the Warrior only brings back awful memories of Slaughter's traitor gimmick.

 

Most of these guys aren't even over anymore for nostalgia purposes, have crappy matches, and give the younger guys zero rub. Why do it?

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Whoever came up with the finish to Edge/Batista deserves a pat on the back with a claw hammer. If they were going to keep the belt on Edge, they should have just bitten the bullet and had Edge cheat to get a pinfall, even if it was a flash pin. Compounding one screwjob finish with another was mind boggling and killed the crowd; they didn't need the women's match to take the crowd down before the main event after that one.

 

If they want to do the Night of Champions concept again, they should think about making it a 3 hour Raw special rather than a PPV. At least then, they won't piss people off when all the matches are rushed and the booking takes things down even further.

 

And the dark match was Super Crazy pinning Carlito.

[TheDevilAndGodAreRagingInsideMe 0]

That show felt like a Raw last night, especially the main event compounded with the numerous curious endings to most of the matches.

[luke-o 0]

So, Antileaf33, luke-o, and King Cucaracha were the only ones who got all the matches right (besides Nitro, obviously he doesn't count).

 

And for the first time since I joined here I believe. And I actually got one match wrong, I though Melina was going to win, not that it mattered or anything.

 

It was a shitty PPV with a RAW worthy main event.

 

The CW match was pretty good and got longer than I would have thought, but Jimmy didn't win so I'm not happy about it.

 

And I'm also on the "sick of Cena" bandwagon. I know he's the most over star on the roster and he sells loads of merchandise blah blah blah, but seriously, it looks like NO ONE can beat him. Everytime I see him win a title match, I get the feeling he's going to be champion untill the day he dies.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

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