The OAO Raw Thread for August 27th, 2007

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That's a great idea.

 

I wonder if the WWE is still pissed at Ace Cowboy Bob Orton?

 

 

 

Just don't let him blade.

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

Cena/Orton really needs to be blown off in a HIAC, but knowing the WWE, they'll do something lame like make it a last man standing match.

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Cena/Orton really needs to be blown off in a HIAC, but knowing the WWE, they'll do something lame like make it a last man standing match.

 

I wouldn't even mind it being a Cage match. They need to do it, and need to do it big. I really think that Orton needs to go over in the blow off. 'Hurt' Cena so he can take some time off and then come back. As much as I hate the guy, I really do think that he needs some time off, and that will help him, as well as me because I won't have to sit and watch his ass on television for atleast a few months.

 

 

 

[Black Lushus 0]

just to make sure I'm on the same page as you...rather than Cena on TV, you'd rather see Triple H's zany antics? I would assume you find Triple H to be the lesser of two evils?

 

I tell you what, I don't think I can sit through months of what we saw on Carly's Cabana.

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just to make sure I'm on the same page as you...rather than Cena on TV, you'd rather see Triple H's zany antics? I would assume you find Triple H to be the lesser of two evils?

 

I tell you what, I don't think I can sit through months of what we saw on Carly's Cabana.

 

Meh, I'm sure I will get sick of Triple H soon enough. I enjoyed the segment a little bit last night. Mainly because I'm a huge McMahon mark. I love everything he does.

 

Triple H, if he keeps this character he has right now, will get boring soon enough, and I'll start with the HHHate soon enough. I'm just fed up with Cena. I can't stand him at all.

 

I was actually kinda hoping that Triple H would come back and try to be a heel. I don't like him as a face.

 

But yes, at this moment in time, I would much rather watch Triple H segments than deal with Cena's bullshit.

 

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

just to make sure I'm on the same page as you...rather than Cena on TV, you'd rather see Triple H's zany antics? I would assume you find Triple H to be the lesser of two evils?

 

I tell you what, I don't think I can sit through months of what we saw on Carly's Cabana.

 

Well the writing is on the wall anyways. Triple H will get a bigger program (well he always do) and Cena will be moved to the secondary storyline. If the plan is for Kennedy to dethrone Cena, then I will just laugh when they build Orton up again just to have him lose.

[DrVenkman PhD 0]

That was about what I expected from Raw. I'm pretty sure history as shown that Raw will be bland and uninspired if it is:

 

- On a different day and time (Thursday Raw Thursday being like, the sole exception; they booked a god awful Raw in front of a huge Skydome crowd in what was billed in Canada was the biggest Raw ever just because it was pre-empted by the dog show)

 

- On a holiday.

 

- On a different network (I forget if last year's Sci-Fi Raw was any good but I'm assuming not).

 

Basically anytime they think they're going to have less viewers than usual, why try? That said, I must add in my "that was awesome" to Orton kicking Cena Sr.

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That is awesome.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

I believe Thursday Raw Thursday was at the Manhattan Center, bub.

 

The Skydome non-Monday Raw, in February 1999, right before IYH: St. Valentine's Day Massacre, was on a Friday, I believe.

 

"- On a holiday."

 

C'mon, Shawn superkicking Hogan was awesome on July 4th. And the Smackdown! Halloween Special from '02 gave us the debut of RAPPER CENA, Brock Vs. Mysterio, Eddie Vs. Angle, plus Dawn and Torrie in some hot outfits wrestling...and Angle giving Benoit an Angle-Slam through a table only to have Benoit, in mid-move, break a bottle over his head. Plus Stephanie in that witch outfit with the giant bust, making out with Bischoff.

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Halloween doesn't countr because those shows are always awesome with party themes and such. Who can ever forget that little outfit Liz was wearing at a SNME Halloween special? I hope that 2002 SmackDown is on 24/7 again this October.

 

Looking back at my post it looks like I syntaxally paired 1997's Thursday Raw Thursday and the 1999 Skydome Raw as the same thing, which I didn't intend to do. I was trying to say TRT was the sole exception to a Non-Monday Raw being any good or significantly important (I can also tell you that, just recently watching it on 24/7, it was not from the Manhatten Center but it did have that similar look - MC was later in the month).

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Aftermath of Das Boot:

 

[AntiLeaf33 0]

Wonder how legit those pics are? It did look like a pretty solid kick from Orton

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It would be ideal for Cena to beat down Bob, and leave him laying in the middle of the ring, then Randy comes to the ring and he looks down at his father like he cares, but then he gets a demented grin on his face, backs up.... and it's field goal time.

 

that sounds awesome

 

i hope wwe reads this somehow

 

if that's how it happens we might have the greatest heel of all time

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It would be ideal for Cena to beat down Bob, and leave him laying in the middle of the ring, then Randy comes to the ring and he looks down at his father like he cares, but then he gets a demented grin on his face, backs up.... and it's field goal time.

 

that sounds awesome

 

i hope wwe reads this somehow

 

if that's how it happens we might have the greatest heel of all time

 

That does sound pretty sweet actually. Make it happen WWE.

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I said back in 2005 when Orton was still doing the Legend Killer thing he should have offed his father.

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I said back in 2005 when Orton was still doing the Legend Killer thing he should have offed his father.

 

I wonder how that would work. Sure you would have the initial "That son of abitch just RKOed his own father", but then there is the fact that Cowboy Bob has always been a heel anyway. Though if they were doing that angle they would make Cowboy Bob seem like the second coming of Christ compared to Randy.

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well regardless of Bob's standing as a heel, it would still be a dick heel move to RKO your own dad just to cement your own legacy.

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well regardless of Bob's standing as a heel, it would still be a dick heel move to RKO your own dad just to cement your own legacy.

 

Thats true. It would just be interesting to see the reaction of fans who watched Bob work in his hayday and to see how they would react.

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Ah a RKO is one thing but since they are hellbent on making the head kick an important move in Randy's heel repertoire, Bob's the ideal victim for it. And in this scenario, he has a ready made promo for it. He tells Cena that the difference between him and Cena is Cena doesn't value the title above his honor and family. Randy on the other hand, will go to the extra mile and if something endangers his mission (ie: Bob getting kidnapped by Cena and forcing Orton's hand), he would personally terminate that himself. If anything it would be something he could sustain even if he loses the match at Unforgiven for example, because his character is set in stone as an evil son of a bitch. It also fits in what HTQ mentioned that WWE wants Cena to go over Orton at his highest peak and that Cena needed an angle to turn the fans back on his side, what better than having your father's head kicked in, showing some edge with the kidnapping and having it thwarted by seeing your opponent not being fazed like you were when it happened to you.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

No way should Randy turn on his father. Faking the turn was one of the best things WWE did with the Randy/Undertaker feud, and really made it more fun to see the elder Orton heel it up one more time.

[Black Lushus 0]

for what purpose? Beating his own dad up would show that he doesn't give a fuck about anyone or anything.

[The Niggardly King 0]

for what purpose? Beating his own dad up would show that he doesn't give a fuck about anyone or anything.

 

Yeah, remember that time he made out with Stacy Kiebler and then RKO'd here out of the WWE?

 

Awesome.

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Bob is mentioned in this recent article on cena

 

By Mike McAvennie

Written: August 29, 2007Randy Orton may have figured out something on Raw Monday night: If you can’t get the attention of WWE Champion John Cena, target that which he holds closest to him. In this case, Cena’s father, whom Orton literally pulled out of his seat and over the ringside barricade, then punted directly in the skull…all while The Champ was forced to watch, dazed and helpless.

 

Monday night in Boston’s TD Banknorth Garden was supposed to be a post-SummerSlam homecoming for Cena, a chance to celebrate his successful WWE Title defense over Randy Orton. Now, it is a constant reminder of the Legend Killer’s despicable assault…and perhaps the lynchpin that will prompt Cena to make some tough, even irrevocable decisions in the days ahead.

 

CAT scans taken on Cena’s father reveal that he suffered a grade III concussion, but thankfully no brain damage, as had originally been feared. Mr. Cena’s concussion and badly cut left eye will eventually heal…but what kind of irreparable damage has Orton’s actions done to The Champ? Place yourself in Cena’s boots for a moment: How would you handle being forced to watch as the man who raised you, loved you since infancy, was brutally beaten, then left in a crumpled heap?

 

WWE.com can’t answer these questions, especially since our attempts to contact Cena have so far proven unsuccessful. However, suggesting that this ordeal won’t have any affect on him would be irresponsible on our part.

 

Many of our fans are understandably inclined toward retribution, like Shawna G. of Roxbury. “If anybody hurt someone in my family, they’d damn sure regret it,” she said. “Maybe Cena should go after Orton’s dad…you know, eye for an eye.”

 

That’s an interesting idea; though WWE Hall of Famer Cowboy Bob Orton is long retired from ring action, he wouldn’t be so unsuspecting a victim as Cena’s father was. It would also make the younger Orton – or any other Superstar in the locker room – think twice before taking their problems with The Champ to the most personal of levels.

 

Not everyone has revenge on their mind, however. “John Cena’s got to be feeling pretty bad about what happened,” noted Boston native James Aston, who’d been sitting only five rows away when he watched Orton attack The Champ’s father. “If I were in his shoes, it would eat me up inside to know that I couldn’t do anything to stop one of my loved ones being attacked like that. Personally, after something like that, I’m not sure that I’d even want to be champion anymore. Randy Orton just demonstrated that no one’s untouchable; if they can’t get to you directly, they’ll do it some other way. No championship is worth that.”

 

Talk about your more interesting observations. It sounds insane to vocally insinuate that The Champ would consider forfeiting the gold he has worn proudly for nearly a year, much less walk away from the ring when he’s in his prime. Then again, guilt can do strange things to a man…even when that man is John Cena.

 

 

 

 

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

for what purpose? Beating his own dad up would show that he doesn't give a fuck about anyone or anything.

For about 30 minutes until we get the next SHOCKING~! turn. It only means something when you don't do it at every opportunity.

[Chalmation 0]

for what purpose? Beating his own dad up would show that he doesn't give a fuck about anyone or anything.

For about 30 minutes until we get the next SHOCKING~! turn. It only means something when you don't do it at every opportunity.

 

are you sure you're not confusing monday and thursday nights???????

 

RAW needs something like this to happen.

 

though i'm not sure they should do this until the end of the mcmahon illegitimate child storyline

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I said back in 2005 when Orton was still doing the Legend Killer thing he should have offed his father.

 

I wonder how that would work. Sure you would have the initial "That sonofabitch just RKOed his own father", but then there is the fact that Cowboy Bob has always been a heel anyway. Though if they were doing that angle they would make Cowboy Bob seem like the second coming of Christ compared to Randy.

 

i'd think that be a pretty viable thing. does anyone remember the last time cowboy bob wrestled??????

 

he doesn't have to be presented as a heel, just as a legend and as RKO's dad.

 

First William Regal would give RKO the night off in the opening segment.

 

Cowboy Bob could be in the ring at 10:50 Eastern to apologize for his son's behavior and make amends. Cena would get more and more pissed, start screaming "THAT WAS MY FATHER!!!!!! DO YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH WHAT MY FATHER DID???????" (there are ways to make him this mad and keep him a face)

 

Cena could whoop Cowboy Bob's ass, give him the FU.

 

Randy Orton runs in after the FU

 

If you want to foreshadow a Cena heel turn don't have him try to stop Randy, make him leave the ring, then have Randy cut a promo about the WWE Championship and how no one can stand in his way, PERIOD. Then kick Cowboy Bob right before they go off the air. Make sure they show EMTs, whatever and give one or two minutes for J.R. to put it over (or better yet, the silent announcer ending)

 

Or you can have Cena stay in the ring, Orton gives him a short beatdown, RKO, sees his dad get up, gets the look in his eye, and kicks him.

[Atticus Chaos 0]

I agree you could have Cena try to beat up Orton's dad and still keep him face. Cena would just be trying to beat Bob up not trying cause him any serious brain damage (unlike what Orton did to Cena's dad).

 

And then when Orton kicks his dad straight in the head, you'd get a close up of Cena looking totally shocked. Sort of like on that episode of 24 where Jack shot the guy's wife in the kneecap because he thought it would really get to him and the guy was like 'meh'.

[foleyfanforever88 0]

lol..

 

WWE.com:

 

He'd do it to his own father

 

By Craig Tello

Written: August 30, 2007

Following a modern classic main event at SummerSlam, things became more personal than ever Monday night when Randy Orton momentarily adjusted his sights from championship gold to a defenseless target: the father of WWE Champion John Cena. Killing legends is one thing; blatant patricide is a whole other level of malice.

 

But, perhaps the most heinous truth is that if he felt he had to, Orton would probably do the same to his own father, WWE Legend “Cowboy” Bob Orton, Jr.

 

“If it happened to me and my father was to be targeted, I wouldn’t succumb to the emotional distress that others do,” explained a shameless Orton. “I’m above that; business is business. If I’m going to be the biggest name in the history of sports-entertainment, if I’m going to beat John Cena for the WWE Championship, I need to put myself before anything – or anybody – else.”

 

To Orton, nothing in life is more important than reaching the zenith of sports-entertainment. If the roles were reversed and it was Orton’s dad on the receiving end of a lethal running kick to the head, the Legend Killer denied that such an image would bear any affect on his conscience. With absolutely no remorse, Orton described his actions merely as a means for securing the upper hand. Ironically, this stratagem is something the Legend Killer claimed he learned first-hand from his father.

 

“This is a cut-throat business,” said the dishonorable third-generation Superstar. “My father was in the business and one thing he ingrained within me is to think only for myself. You have to be the shadiest, most cold-hearted and most callous character to be on top and stay on top.”

 

One would think that given his apparent “close” ties with his own blood, Orton might render family (paternal lineage, especially) off limits, a line that shouldn’t be crossed. As the Legend Killer explained, that’s just not what he’s been bred to do. In fact, according to Orton, it was his sole interest in his career that led to Cowboy Bob’s sudden departure from WWE, after the former WWE Superstar spent several months by his son’s side against The Phenom in late 2005.

 

“[bob Orton, Jr.] is who he is and I respect him regardless of the fact that he is my father,” the Legend Killer said, “but he was holding me back. He thought he was helping me out against Undertaker, but he was slowing me down. I realized that if I was going to succeed, I needed to cut the strings. I can only trust myself.”

 

That being said, how cold must the heart of the irreverent Legend Killer be for him to focus his aggression on the father of his rival? About as icy as the glare he fixed on the distraught WWE Champion following Orton’s appalling attack on Raw.

 

“What drove me to do what I did on Monday night is purely psychological,” Orton declared. “It’s a strategy. What I do is mentally screw with someone to the point where I leave them with a brain of mush and emotions – just look at the footage of John Cena after what I did [on Raw].” (WATCH)

 

In this undying quest, Orton has washed his hands of culpability for any consequential casualties, including the misery he delivered first-hand to Mr. Cena. But, in overlooking the consequences of his self-spun atrocities, could the Legend Killer fail to realize the consequences he might face at the hands of The Champ? Or will Orton’s golden plan yield irreparable damage that even the resilient Cena cannot overcome?