NFL Week 1 Paneled Basement Party & Chat

[KingPK 0]

No you couldn't. But by the late third or fourth quarter you could figure out when they are blitzing, or when they are playing man or when they are playing zone before the play. No way you could pull it off in the early game, but this is the Pats and they change the play at the line. ALOT.

 

Don't teams make those adjustments every week? If you are using the same signals over and over, of course the opponent is going to pick up on them, camera or no camera, so it behooves teams to mix in their signals to keep people on their toes.

 

It'll be either a hefty fine/1-2 game suspension for Belichick, or a 3rd rounder.

[Guest Vitamin X]

Outside of the occasional stunt, everyone knows what the defensive line is going to do. It is pretty much one on one battles in passing situations. The Defensive guy is improving his moves to try and get around the lineman, and the lineman trying to stop him. KNowing the play wouldn't help there.

 

It would help to know if a extra guy or two were coming though.

I think it's especially helpful when calling an audible at the line, maybe not so much in passing situations, but most definitely on running plays. And it's not just the defensive line we're talking about here- it's the whole front seven, since figuring out whether a linebacker is going to blitz or drop back into coverage (and WHERE) is crucial to making a great play.

 

I think it is sad that of all teams to do this, it would be the Patriots, since they are a good enough team to go without doing this. I could see a team that's always just barely on the verge of getting a playoff spot doing this maybe, but New England? Why?

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Someone mentioned Belichick's favorite movie was The Sting. Maybe he just wanted to con people for the hell of it? He strikes me as a big enough asshole to do it.

[Cartman 0]

"Patriots video assistant Matt Estrella was stationed on the New England sideline when he was approached by league security officials and had his camera and videotape seized in the middle of the first quarter Sunday. A native of New Bedford, Estrella is in his fourth season with the Patriots and his third year as a full-time video assistant. He helps edit game and practice tapes for use by team coaches, scouts, and players"

 

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patr...aults_patriots/

 

 

So no, there will be no need for forfeiting that game and nothing in the second half of that game happened because of this camera shenanigans.

[Cartman 0]

"NEW YORK - A spokesman for NFL commisioner Roger Goodell today confirmed reports that an associate of the New York Jets also had a video camera confiscated during this Sunday's game at the Meadowlands, however there will apparently be no punishment. "We did also confiscate a tape that was being recorded by a Jets official during the game. Through our review process however, it was determined that the recorded material on the tape was not sufficient enough to gain any specific advantage during the game and thus the commissioner's office plans to take no action against the New York Jets. The content of this tape alone serves as adequate self-discipline." The tape, according to a league source who did not wish to be identified, "consisted entirely of shots of the back of Patriots' receiver Randy Moss as he streaked down the field toward the endzone." Jets head coach Eric Mangini could not be reached comment."

 

Just having a camera at all is a violation of league rules is it not? Interesting.

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

"Patriots video assistant Matt Estrella was stationed on the New England sideline when he was approached by league security officials and had his camera and videotape seized in the middle of the first quarter Sunday. A native of New Bedford, Estrella is in his fourth season with the Patriots and his third year as a full-time video assistant. He helps edit game and practice tapes for use by team coaches, scouts, and players"

 

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patr...aults_patriots/

 

 

So no, there will be no need for forfeiting that game and nothing in the second half of that game happened because of this camera shenanigans.

So you can cheat as long as you dont do it in the 2nd half? What kind of half assed logic is that?

[Cartman 0]

No you asshat, i'm just ending this whole "They should forfeit the Jets game because they used video of their signals leading them to their second half domination" bullshit. They may have used this in previous games but last sunday was not one of them. There is no possible way for them to take advantage of knowing the other teams signals until they have time to watch and decipher. Most likely done at halftime. You know, the same thing every other team does without using video footage and instead using people in the stands/sidelines/booth to watch what the defensive coaches are calling and eventually relaying to the team.

[Ripper 0]

Yeah...watching with the naked eye across a football field and remembering dozens of plays and picking up nuances in signaling certainly is possible and in no way is video taping it and watching, rewinding and slowing it down offers no advantage.

 

They are the same.

[Just John 0]

Jets are some of the biggest jobbers? Who are you kidding here?

 

Well, they're not on 06 Detroit's level or anything, but I don't expect them to be that good this year, regardless of them making the playoffs last year. We'll see if that label holds up at the end of the season.

[Cartman 0]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/inside_ga...life_of_reilly/

[Ripper 0]

So by posting a 5 year old article that brought about rule changes you think you are proving a point? That is why you can't use binoculars to look at the opposing sideline now.

 

I'm sorry but thats like me posting a article from 1998 to prove Jamal Anderson is one of the best running backs in the league today.

 

Fact is, since 2002 clear cut defined rules about this have been set. They have been gone over ad nausium with teams, and oddly, even though you think it is so common still, only one team has been caught. Twice. And accused 3 more times.

[The Niggardly King 0]

Why do people are so obsessionned with this, it's no big deal

[Cartman 0]

Why do people are so obsessionned with this, it's no big deal

 

[The Robfather 0]

Why do people are so obsessionned with this, it's no big deal

 

Because its in the rule book, the new commish is ruling with an iron fist, and he warned teams before the season to cut this shit out.

[Ripper 0]

That be a WHOOSH.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Not everyone reads Chocolate Socket threads.

[alfdogg 0]

Why do people are so obsessionned with this, it's no big deal

How come did you make a post like that?

[Guest]

ESPN reported that the league is also reviewing a possible violation in the number of radio frequencies the Patriots were using, and Pro Football Talk suggested Tuesday night that the Patriots were planting microphones on defensive linemen in order to capture the offensive line calls and quarterback audibles.

 

"Then, the audio and the video of the game would be matched up," according to Pro Football Talk, "and the defensive players would be given the code at halftime."

 

http://sports.aol.com/story/ar/_a/how-dirt...912032409990001

 

That is why you can't use binoculars to look at the opposing sideline now.

Yes, you can. Mike Shanahan says they do it all the time. Trying to remember the play and signals is a little different than taping it and making sure that you know the signals, as you said. The only thing funny about this situation is watching Patriots fans try to justify it. It really is.

[Brett Favre 0]

Well, Bill Simmons said it's because we hate them.

[Ripper 0]

ESPN reported that the league is also reviewing a possible violation in the number of radio frequencies the Patriots were using, and Pro Football Talk suggested Tuesday night that the Patriots were planting microphones on defensive linemen in order to capture the offensive line calls and quarterback audibles.

 

"Then, the audio and the video of the game would be matched up," according to Pro Football Talk, "and the defensive players would be given the code at halftime."

 

http://sports.aol.com/story/ar/_a/how-dirt...912032409990001

 

That is why you can't use binoculars to look at the opposing sideline now.

Yes, you can. Mike Shanahan says they do it all the time. Trying to remember the play and signals is a little different than taping it and making sure that you know the signals, as you said. The only thing funny about this situation is watching Patriots fans try to justify it. It really is.

 

Anyone want to find statement by Shanahan from the last 3-4 years talking about using Binoculars? You can't. Its illegal now. It wasn't in 02, when Mike Shanahan made that statement.

 

[Failed Bridge 0]

I'm sure Shannahan still has people doing it, hell I bet Mangini has it going on too...thing is they weren't as blatant as Belichick's guy. Bill puffed his chest out too far this one time, but its already been pretty much spoken about by many NFL guys on ESPN and Fox Sports that this is something most teams do still but do it very carefully.

[Guest]

Anyone want to find statement by Shanahan from the last 3-4 years talking about using Binoculars? You can't. Its illegal now. It wasn't in 02, when Mike Shanahan made that statement.

 

I believe you even though I can't find the rule

[Ripper 0]

I'm sure Shannahan still has people doing it, hell I bet Mangini has it going on too...thing is they weren't as blatant as Belichick's guy. Bill puffed his chest out too far this one time, but its already been pretty much spoken about by many NFL guys on ESPN and Fox Sports that this is something most teams do still but do it very carefully.

 

I just find it hard to believe that most teams are recording the sideline coaches and have people studying their calls in the game.

 

Everybody is doing it is not a acceptable defense here. If everyone is doing it then they should crack down on them too. But thats like saying "well, Rodney Harrison taking HGH isn't that big of a deal because there are other players doing it".

 

And if they get caught the will get the same suspension that he got. That simple.

[Guest Gym Class Fallout]

No, it's okay for Rodney Harrison to take HGH because he was trying to recover from an injury faster. He needs to be back out there failing to be sufficiently respected a.s.a.p.!

[Failed Bridge 0]

HGH and steroids goes beyond just cheating though as people are placing their health and lives in jeopardy. Comparing that with this is apples and oranges.

[Guest]

My dad got home and changed it to Sportscenter, and Sean Salisbury just said this was a nothing story, and overrated bull. Case closed guys, we've got our answer, no sense in talking about it any longer.

[Ripper 0]

Um...no, its apples and apples.

 

Both are people using methods that are clearly against the rules to get and unfair advantage in the game. What they are doing to their bodies is irrelevant, because if that was really the case, why would they be playing football(which is alot more damaging to ones body than cycling steroids or HGH)

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

Jeremy Green was on ESPN Radio yesterday and not only did he say that he knows every team does this, but that he himself had to do it when he worked for the Vikings. Belichick and the Patriots got caught and they should be punished accordingly, but I don't see the need for outrage. The NFL has always been about pushing the absolute limits to get ahead.

[Ripper 0]

I get this real feeling that if this had been the Raiders or the Cowboys, you would have precious few people coming forward saying what a small deal it was and how everyone is doing it.

 

 

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

I get this real feeling that if this had been the Raiders or the Cowboys, you would have precious few people coming forward saying what a small deal it was and how everyone is doing it.

 

 

Really? I think there would have been far less coverage and outrage if it was some other team. Everyone is looking for a reason to hate the Patriots and discredit their championship run. Why would there be more outrage if some mediocre team was the one caught?