MLB Off-season Thread

[Cartman 0]

Here we go again...

 

Johan Santana-S-Twins Dec. 5 - 8:25 pm et

 

Yahoo! Sports' Tim Brown said talks between the Red Sox and Twins regarding a Johan Santana deal are back on as of Wednesday evening.

 

Brown believes the original parameters of the deal have not changed, and the Twins would probably get Jon Lester, Coco Crisp, Jed Lowrie and Justin Masterson. According to Brown, Seattle briefly emerged as a candidate, using Adam Jones and Brandon Morrow as bait, but talks there have stagnated, as they did with the Angels. He didn't mention the Mets.

Source: Yahoo! Sports

 

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

I move that we keep all Santana rumors out of here until there is an actual trade in place. Sportswriters are going to be throwing around all sorts of non-leads in the interest of creating copy when there is nothing substantial going on.

 

EDIT: Not trying to kill discussion here, but the meetings end tomorrow after the Rule V draft and the likelihood something gets done before then is essentially zero. We don't need another night of "it's done, no it's not" crap clogging up the thread for non-Sox/Yanks fans.

[Guest RyechnaiaSobaka]

It's almost like I don't read every single word you post, ya know.

 

That's fair. But then again, I wouldn't try to point out something another person hasn't considered without seeing if that person has, in fact, already said it twice very recently in the same place. I'm silly like that.

[Brett Favre 0]

You're a douchebag.

[Bruiser Chong 0]

One report has the Tigers talking to the Mets about Dontrelle Willis and possibly Pudge. I don't have a ton of faith in Dontrelle to bolster the Tigers' rotation, but it'll be interesting to see what they'd get in return if the deal goes through. Since it's the Mets we're talking about, you'd figure they wouldn't be sending back a major-league-ready starting pitcher, which is what the Tigers need.

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

One report has the Tigers talking to the Mets about Dontrelle Willis and possibly Pudge. I don't have a ton of faith in Dontrelle to bolster the Tigers' rotation, but it'll be interesting to see what they'd get in return if the deal goes through. Since it's the Mets we're talking about, you'd figure they wouldn't be sending back a major-league-ready starting pitcher, which is what the Tigers need.

 

 

I don't get that one either. Apparently there's a rumor that Detroit took Willis in the deal with idea of flipping him to New York after Florida balked at trading him within the division. Unless the Mets were going to send back a player of the caliber of Maybin or Miller, that doesn't make much sense. The Tigers just made a go-for-it-all trade. Why move a SP for prospies (or worse)?

[Guest RyechnaiaSobaka]

You're a douchebag.

 

I agree. Don't take it personally.

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

You're a douchebag.

 

I agree. Don't take it personally.

 

 

Hey douchebags, keep it down.

[Open the Muggy Gate 0]

We already have a Douchebag on TSM. But if you want, you can put on a mask and be the Douchebag Machine.

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

We already have a Douchebag on TSM. But if you want, you can put on a mask and be the Douchebag Machine.

 

We should just get rid of the other Douchebag. He sucks. Sobaka at least offers something.

 

According to reports, JP has now offered Rios straight up for Lincecum (no need to take the Glaus contract) and is waiting for a response from Sabean. It also mentions that Sabean turned down an offer of Delmon Young for Lincecum before he was dealt for Matt Garza. What an idiot.

[Bruiser Chong 0]

Now Rotoworld is reporting the Willis to New York deal not looking like it'll go down.

 

In other news, the Cubs' quest to acquire ANOTHER second baseman in the form of Brian Roberts would probably cost them Rich Hill and Sean Marshall. Marshall's redundant with Hill and Lilly, but I don't like the idea of the Cubs trading Hill. Not for Roberts, anyway. Hill isn't going to be a number one or two starter, but at the moment, he's a solid, inexpensive middle-of-the-rotation guy.

 

None of this shit makes sense when Eric Patterson's supposed to be the second baseman of the near future.

[Guest RyechnaiaSobaka]

We already have a Douchebag on TSM. But if you want, you can put on a mask and be the Douchebag Machine.

 

Why not Douchebag II?

[Guest My Pal, the Tortoise]

I don't want to give up Rich Hill for Brian Roberts. We have Mark DeRosa and Eric Patterson, but Eric Patterson is in the doghouse for being sort of retarded.

[Open the Muggy Gate 0]

We already have a Douchebag on TSM. But if you want, you can put on a mask and be the Douchebag Machine.

 

Why not Douchebag II?

 

Trust me, you don't wanna follow this lineage.

[Guest RyechnaiaSobaka]

I don't want to give up Rich Hill for Brian Roberts. We have Mark DeRosa and Eric Patterson, but Eric Patterson is in the doghouse for being sort of retarded.

 

The odd thing is that they keep saying they want a "fast second baseman."

 

I know of one guy. I don't think he's available though.

 

His name is Alfonso Soriano.

 

I bet whatever team he's on won't want to move him though.

 

Roberts is better than him defensively though. In Soriano's last full season as a second baseman, he had an 85 Rate2 (though the years before that were either 100 or 101). Last year Roberts had a 101, and his lowest full season in the majors was a 96.

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

I don't want to give up Rich Hill for Brian Roberts. We have Mark DeRosa and Eric Patterson, but Eric Patterson is in the doghouse for being sort of retarded.

 

The odd thing is that they keep saying they want a "fast second baseman."

 

I know of one guy. I don't think he's available though.

 

His name is Alfonso Soriano.

 

I bet whatever team he's on won't want to move him though.

 

 

Soriano was a wretched second baseman. He was just sort of there because he demanded it. No sane team would put him back.

 

Besides, his bat is good enough to stick as a corner outfielder and his speed makes him an asset. He's good defensively instead of a liability. Maybe the Brewers will get the hint with Ryan Braun and try something similar.

[Guest My Pal, the Tortoise]

I hope not. I think he should just stay at third base and keep making errors.

[Guest RyechnaiaSobaka]

I don't want to give up Rich Hill for Brian Roberts. We have Mark DeRosa and Eric Patterson, but Eric Patterson is in the doghouse for being sort of retarded.

 

The odd thing is that they keep saying they want a "fast second baseman."

 

I know of one guy. I don't think he's available though.

 

His name is Alfonso Soriano.

 

I bet whatever team he's on won't want to move him though.

 

 

Soriano was a wretched second baseman. He was just sort of there because he demanded it. No sane team would put him back.

 

Besides, his bat is good enough to stick as a corner outfielder and his speed makes him an asset. He's good defensively instead of a liability. Maybe the Brewers will get the hint with Ryan Braun and try something similar.

 

He was dead average for most of his seasons there, except for the last one with Texas where he pulled that 85. Was pretty atrocious. His career Rate2 is 94. That's not awful. DeRosa is 104 though. Roberts is 101.

 

But the Cubbies didn't say they wanted a good second baseman. They said they wanted a fast one.

[Bruiser Chong 0]

This god damn obsession with speed. Didn't Juan Pierre teach them anything?

[Guest RyechnaiaSobaka]

This god damn obsession with speed. Didn't Juan Pierre teach them anything?

 

Juan Pierre hasn't taught any team that he's played for anything, apparently. No one who got rid of him ever did it because he sucks at baseball. Until that happens, the answer is always no.

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

This god damn obsession with speed. Didn't Juan Pierre teach them anything?

 

Juan Pierre hasn't taught any team that he's played for anything, apparently. No one who got rid of him ever did it because he sucks at baseball. Until that happens, the answer is always no.

 

 

Juan Pierre would be a great 4th outfielder. He could be a late inning, defensive replacement in left or center. His speed would work well as a pinch runner and his high contact rate would be good for pinch hitting situations.

 

Unfortunately, the Dodgers are paying him $11 million a year to be their starting CFer.

[Annabelle 0]

no way the tigers are trading willis. there's no point. they're looking to win this year. besides, they didn't unload 2 top end and three promising prospects for cabrera and some spare parts from the mets. only thames or inge will be traded now.

 

and pierre won't play cf this year. andruw jones will. and pierre, in all honesty, may end up being that 4th outfielder if the dodgers are serious about keep andre ethier. we all know the dodgers ain't trading kemp. i think him and kershaw have been the unmovable ones that have killed both the santana and bedard negotiations before they started.

[Fuzzy Dunlop 0]

Dodgers signed Andruw Jones. 2yr/36m. And we thought Pierre's offense was bad for center.

[Fuzzy Dunlop 0]

And I thought I put italics around center. I suck at posting.

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

Good move for the Dodgers. It's short term, so they hedge against the possibility that he might really be on the decline, but ideally he gives them the big bat they are searching for and improves the outfield defense at the same time. Anything that leads to less Pierre playing time is a good thing for the Dodgers.

[Guest]

Should Kemp stay...both he and Kemp in the same lineup, that's awesome. I'll be purchasing my Jones jersey soon, always liked him, but wouldn't dare to wear Braves colors.

[Guest RyechnaiaSobaka]

and pierre won't play cf this year. andruw jones will. and pierre, in all honesty, may end up being that 4th outfielder if the dodgers are serious about keep andre ethier. we all know the dodgers ain't trading kemp. i think him and kershaw have been the unmovable ones that have killed both the santana and bedard negotiations before they started.

 

LF needs to produce more offensively than CF because LF is the 2nd easiest defensive position on the field. So the idea of Pierre moving to LF somehow being more suitable for him (seeing as he can't hit) would be very, very backwards.

 

I wish Jones had signed with the Royals. That would have been fun.

 

One hopes that now, because the Dodgers are no longer managed by Grady Little, who is an idiot, they will start to make better decisions about their awesome young outfielders Ethier and Kemp. I am still skeptical. Joe Torre gave how many AB to Tony Womack a few years ago?

[Annabelle 0]

Dodgers signed Andruw Jones. 2yr/36m. And we thought Pierre's offense was bad for center.

 

26 hr 90+ rbis

 

how awful!

 

so he hit for a poor average. its one season. people have "down" years, do pussy.

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

I find it funny that the media is playing this as another whiff for Scott Boras. The deal is short term, but Andruw Jones is now the highest paid outfielder in major league baseball (well, 2nd in AAV, but I think next year's payout will make him 1st) and he got the deal after a wretched season in which he put up an OPS just a few percentage points higher than light hitting outfielder Coco Crisp.

 

Earlier I said that I really liked this deal. However, if it is a precursor to a Matt Kemp trade, cancel that opinion. Juan Pierre is a sunk cost. Sit him on the bench. Don't trade your young talent.

[Fuzzy Dunlop 0]

Dodgers signed Andruw Jones. 2yr/36m. And we thought Pierre's offense was bad for center.

 

26 hr 90+ rbis

 

how awful!

 

so he hit for a poor average. its one season. people have "down" years, do pussy.

 

I was trying to make a joke about how people complain about Pierre's offense when he's playing center, and now he's likely to play left or right. I'd call you a dumbass, but your sig makes me cry.