WWE General Discussion - November 2007

[The Truthiness 0]

Also, if I'm correct above about what Jingus means, then it is the people with comments like "I guess if he was a rapper" and "Maybe if he had big lips", who are being ignorant. Jingus never said anything like that.

Well explain too me what are Black facial features? I'm black, what kind of facial features should I have?

 

Are you denying that people from different parts of the world have different features? (Facial and otherwise)

 

No, I'm not. I'm asking you and Jingus what are Black facial features?

 

 

[Jingus 0]

Aside from the ears, of course.

[Twisted Intestine 0]

Also, if I'm correct above about what Jingus means, then it is the people with comments like "I guess if he was a rapper" and "Maybe if he had big lips", who are being ignorant. Jingus never said anything like that.

Well explain too me what are Black facial features? I'm black, what kind of facial features should I have?

 

Are you denying that people from different parts of the world have different features? (Facial and otherwise)

 

No, I'm not. I'm asking you and Jingus what are Black facial features?

 

My point has nothing to do with what black facial features are. Just that they exist. As do Italian, as do chinese, and people located anywhere else.

 

Edit: What I mean from this is, once people from two different regions start to mate, the facial features become mixed on the baby and so on. So Jingus' statement about the rock's facial features not looking African, only means because he's not fully African descent and has other attributes that have been mixed in, and maybe overshadowed his black attributes. He didn't say "He's not even a rapper! lolololz"

 

[Jingus 0]

Meanwhile, here's some guys you're claiming look African:

 

 

You don't see a difference?

[The Truthiness 0]

And I'm the one being ignorant?

 

Jingus man it's now clear you're a racist, So I guess that ends any conversation me you might've had about anything. I know you don't care, and that is cool too. I just thought you had bad taste in wrestling , which is fine that's subjective, but now I realise it's so much more.

[The Truthiness 0]

Meanwhile, here's some guys you're claiming look African:

 

 

You don't see a difference?

 

Yeah it's 3 different people with 3 different facial features, it's called humans.

 

I never said anything about somebody "looking African".

[cabbageboy 0]

This is a silly argument because as noted Ron Simmons was the first black world champion, regardless of whether it was WCW or WWF. In fact I read something on Wikipedia about Bobo Brazil beating Buddy Rogers for the NWA title in the early 60s, but forfeited the belt soon after.

 

For what it's worth when I first saw The Rock in the USWA as Flex Kavana I thought he was some sort of islander. Either a Samoan or something else Polynesian. I think that is what some people are trying to say...The Rock is part black, no one is disputing this. But he always seemed more Samoan, that aspect was pushed a bit harder in his initial vignettes (though they certainly mentioned Rocky Johnson too). Sure, he was in The Nation but let's not forget that The Nation was never a flat out black faction. The initial Nation had 3 white guys in it (Crush, PG-13) and a Puerto Rican (Savio). And Owen Hart joined the group a year later. Owen was more bizarre, since at least PG-13 were doing a rapper thug gimmick and Crush was an ex con, haha.

[Jingus 0]

Jingus man it's now clear you're a racist, So I guess that ends any conversation me you might've had about anything. I know you don't care, and that is cool too. I just thought you had bad taste in wrestling , which is fine that's subjective, but now I realise it's so much more.

Fuck you, you stupid piece of shit, don't call me a goddamn racist. By definition, a racist is someone who hates a specific race for no good reason. Show me ONE goddamn example where I've done that.

[The Truthiness 0]

 

Edit: What I mean from this is, once people from two different regions start to mate, the facial features become mixed on the baby and so on. So Jingus' statement about the rock's facial features not looking African, only means because he's not fully African descent and has other attributes that have been mixed in, and maybe overshadowed his black attributes. He didn't say "He's not even a rapper! lolololz"

All this basically is what I'm saying, which mean facial features mean nothing. I guess me and other light skinned guys who claim to be African American, should started checking "others" when asked what race we are on applications and other things, because some where along the line our ancestors dipped outside the race. Yeah, that makes plenty sense.

 

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

Sure, he was in The Nation but let's not forget that The Nation was never a flat out black faction.

 

When The Rock 1st joined they were. Don't you remember the whole race war angle, with Savio's PR stable and Crush's biker stable?

[Twisted Intestine 0]

No, that's not what I'm saying.

 

Let's say your mother's 100% White and your father is 100% black.

 

What would you check under race? Black?

 

That's what Jingus' original argument was about, was why are people considered black, when they're a mix. The baby of the white mom and black father should be considered just as much White.

[The Niggardly King 0]

Meanwhile, here's some guys you're claiming look African:

 

 

You don't see a difference?

 

OMG, Sinbad has lighter skin, but more black facial features!

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

My mother is black and my father is white, and I've always considered myself black.

 

But then again that that's how my mother raised me, along with my family on her side. I never got along with my father or never really knew my family on his side. So it is what it is. I don't think Jingus is racist, just confused and ignorant on the subject.

[The Niggardly King 0]

Facial features are weird things of nature... most of the time, the son will end up with the shape of the father's head and the features of the mother and vice versa... but there are just some people who have weak ass genes and some who have some gorilla type of genes that will just overtake almost everything.

[The Truthiness 0]

No, that's not what I'm saying.

 

Let's say your mother's 100% White and your father is 100% black.

 

What would you check under race? Black?

That's what Jingus' original argument was about, was why are people considered black, when they're a mix. The baby of the white mom and black father should be considered just as much White.

Yes, I've seen it a hundred times. I've done it with my own child, and his mother has never questioned it, and she even does it when filling out things concering my son. She's 100% white, she doesn't make a deal out of it, I've never seen anybody make anything out of it.

 

But I'm not going to keep going over this Twiztedmind, it's a really dumb argument, I appreciate you not coming off like a racist asshole like the guy who started all this.

[Jingus 0]

Firstly, stop calling me a fucking racist because it's a goddamn lie. Like I said, racist = hates people of a particular race, and you've yet to pull up any evidence of this.

 

Secondly, twizted is simply restating all my arguments EXACTLY, so how am I a racist and not him?

 

Thirdly, you said you're a light-skinned black guy. You said your child's mother is completely white. That would mean that he's at least 51% not-black, genetically speaking. Then why do you consider your kid to be black?

[Wally Balls 0]

Umm...well...lets put it this way....

 

 

 

I was born in South Korea by two Korean People...by logic, I have Korean genetics

 

 

Rock was born to a Samoan mother and African American father...so yes, part of him would be African American. However, I think I know what Jingus was trying to get across. The Rock simply doesn't look black. He looks Hawian, Samoan or even Native American. It's not racist to say that someone looks different than another person. I'm not trying to say that all blacks look alike, but they do have some distinguishing features that I don't see in The Rock. I'm Asian, its not racist to say that I have distinguishing Asian features while someone else with Asian genetics doesn't have.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

Rock was born to a Samoan mother and African American father...

 

African-Canadian*

[Wally Balls 0]

Thirdly, you said you're a light-skinned black guy. You said your child's mother is completely white. That would mean that he's at least 51% not-black, genetically speaking. Then why do you consider your kid to be black?

 

 

Yeah, it would be correct to call his child Mulatto. I personally don't care what you call your own child, but it's just not correct to call him all black or white.

[tekcop 0]

There's not that much capitalizing that needs to be done with Hulk Hogan, though. Basically have Hulk Hogan and fans will show because he has so much nostalgic and mainstream appeal. That show in Memphis that drew 10K is indicative of that.

The Memphis show drew maybe 5,000, but probably closer to half that. The whole thing was considered a disaster. Hogan's appeal is strictly nostalgia, and nothing more.

I was there, I think it was agreed it was only about 2,500.

 

According to Meltzer, the Memphis show drew something like 5,000, but something like 2,500 of those paid to get in. VH1 wanted to paper the show but Hogan refused. after seeing the dismal sales by the afternoon of the show he show he gave in and they brought in close to 2,500 plants for the main event only.

I don't remember this. I didn't see anyone filling up any seats anytime during the show.

[Guest whatsabattle]

The Rock is half Black half Samoan, which means he doesn't know whether to eat all your food or steal your furniture.

[RonL21 0]

[Enigma 0]

Governor Schwarzenegger had something he wanted to say about this.

 

[BorneAgain 0]

Just to provide a... break from the conversation, here's a recent tidbit from the Observer.

 

On the heels of the recently strengthened WWE wellness policy- which is supposed to close some of the loopholes- there is a huge fear among some of the wrestlers about getting fired due to it because there isn't a viable 'WCW-like' promotion out there. TNA isn't perceived to be on the same level as WCW because there is a lot less money and exposure. While TNA has a rep for hiring talent fired for drug issues in WWE, at this point they're not going to take a fired WWE wrestler who lost his job over a drug test failue unless he is a top level star or friends with the right people in TNA- and that's a pretty small list.

 

 

[The Truthiness 0]

Source: Wrestling Observer

 

- The Elimination Chamber match is being brought back for the WWE No Way Out pay-per-view in February.

 

The storyline going into WrestleMania 24 is that the winner of the Royal Rumble in January will get to decide the champion he wants to face at WrestleMania. Then, the champion who isn't chose will have the Superstars from his brand go into an Elimination Chamber match at No Way Out. The winner of the Chamber match will get the other available title shot at WrestleMania 24.

 

This is a awsome idea. I'm guessing Taker or Hunter will win the Chamber, vice versa for the Rumble.

[Vampiro69 0]

These last couple of pages should be marked "classic".

 

Also I agree with my good friend Picard.

[Hawk 34 0]

'Taker should be carrying the title going into WM. Edge doesn't need to claim a title shot by winning RR or EC. ECW's title match should be decided by the winner of the Rumble since that one is out in the open (and someone from Raw/Smackdown can go after Punk or Punk drops the title and wins the Rumble at MSG). HHH winning the EC makes more sense because they'll likely do the same old story of HHH being denied a title shot and gets screwed during the Rumble by whichever heel happens to be programed with HHH at the time.

[Scroby 0]

Source: Wrestling Observer

 

- The Elimination Chamber match is being brought back for the WWE No Way Out pay-per-view in February.

 

The storyline going into WrestleMania 24 is that the winner of the Royal Rumble in January will get to decide the champion he wants to face at WrestleMania. Then, the champion who isn't chose will have the Superstars from his brand go into an Elimination Chamber match at No Way Out. The winner of the Chamber match will get the other available title shot at WrestleMania 24.

 

This is a awsome idea. I'm guessing Taker or Hunter will win the Chamber, vice versa for the Rumble.

So what about the 3rd brand? Because I'm gussing the Rumble winner is either going to face the Smackdown or Raw champion and not the ECW champion. So lets say that the Rumble winner will pick the Raw champion this year, so Smackdown gets the elimation chamber match...what happens with the ECW title? Will there be a match schduled for no way out to determine who gets the title shot at Wrestlemania?

 

Oh and by the way, this thread has reached a new low.

[Hawk 34 0]

Source: Wrestling Observer

 

- The Elimination Chamber match is being brought back for the WWE No Way Out pay-per-view in February.

 

The storyline going into WrestleMania 24 is that the winner of the Royal Rumble in January will get to decide the champion he wants to face at WrestleMania. Then, the champion who isn't chose will have the Superstars from his brand go into an Elimination Chamber match at No Way Out. The winner of the Chamber match will get the other available title shot at WrestleMania 24.

 

This is a awsome idea. I'm guessing Taker or Hunter will win the Chamber, vice versa for the Rumble.

So what about the 3rd brand? Because I'm gussing the Rumble winner is either going to face the Smackdown or Raw champion and not the ECW champion. So lets say that the Rumble winner will pick the Raw champion this year, so Smackdown gets the elimation chamber match...what happens with the ECW title? Will there be a match schduled for no way out to determine who gets the title shot at Wrestlemania?

 

Oh and by the way, this thread has reached a new low.

 

Edge/Taker and HHH won't need to win the Rumble. Whomever they decide to match Punk with for ECW at WM should win the Rumble or Punk drops the title and wins the Rumble at MSG. UT should be champion going into WM anyways. Edge and UT don't need to have a automatic title match set up. They should be begging to murder each other at WM.

 

Rumble probably won't close the show anyways since I expect some match with UT (likely against Batista to close that for good) to end the show.

 

HHH wins EC since it'll be a bigger deal then the Rumble would be.

[The Truthiness 0]

'Taker should be carrying the title going into WM. Edge doesn't need to claim a title shot by winning RR or EC. ECW's title match should be decided by the winner of the Rumble since that one is out in the open (and someone from Raw/Smackdown can go after Punk or Punk drops the title and wins the Rumble at MSG). HHH winning the EC makes more sense because they'll likely do the same old story of HHH being denied a title shot and gets screwed during the Rumble by whichever heel happens to be programed with HHH at the time.

 

Yeah, I thought about that, Edge might win the rumble. Which leads to a EC Match of Hunter, HBK, Jericho, Umaga, Jeff Hardy, and Cade...I mean Kennedy.

 

I think the ECW title might not be defended, they might throw Punk in the MITB.