What was the best team ever?

[CanadianGuitarist 0]

I remember bringing up the Mitsubishi tournament from The Score a year ago when they were determining best team or player performance. In light of the "worst ever" discussion in the NFL thread, I thought I'd mention the current tournament being run, "Best team".

 

Here's the brackets.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

That's horseshit. How can the 72 win Bulls not win it all?

[CanadianChris 0]

That's horseshit. How can the 72 win Bulls not win it all?

They lost 10 games. TEN. Miami didn't lose any.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Oh well whatever. I don't like the 90s Bulls anyways. Just 72 wins out of 82 plus a league championship should look more impressive than 13 wins out of 13 with a national title.

[Psycho Penguin 0]

I don't think the 72 win Bulls team is the best sports team ever. However, I'd LOVE to see a potential worst sports team ever list. If it wasn't all Clippers vs Clippers.

[Psycho Penguin 0]

Oh well whatever. I don't like the 90s Bulls anyways. Just 72 wins out of 82 plus a league championship should look more impressive than 13 wins out of 13 with a national title.

 

 

He probably meant the Dolphins team that won 17 and didn't lose any.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

But it was Miami Hurricanes that knocked off the Bulls, not the Dolphins. And everyone SHOULD know the 1985 Bears were superior to the 17-0 Dolphins by miles.

[Psycho Penguin 0]

But it was Miami Hurricanes that knocked off the Bulls, not the Dolphins. And everyone SHOULD know the 1985 Bears were superior to the 17-0 Dolphins by miles.

 

Oh. Well.. those 2001 Hurricanes were pretty damn amazing. Most talented and dominant college football team ever vs. most talented and dominant NBA team ever. So, close matchup. Comes down to voters mindset really.

[CanadianGuitarist 0]

I'm a little surprised that the title didn't go to a hockey team (take your pick of a few), given that it was primarily Canadians voting.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Probably because none of the hockey teams (except maybe the Miracle on Ice team) were that memorable, at least on a relatively equal level as the other sports' teams. At least in the mainstream.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

As a Canadian, I take offense to you putting, out of all the possible candidates, the fucking Miracle on Ice squad as the best hockey team.

 

As an intelligent person I'd feel the same way. U.S. Olympic team? Really? With all those Habs, Oilers, Red Wings, etc. teams to choose from?

[garfieldsnose 0]

But we beat Russia. RUSSIA~!

 

EDIT: Soviet Union. USSR~!

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

As a Canadian, I take offense to you putting, out of all the possible candidates, the fucking Miracle on Ice squad as the best hockey team.

 

As an intelligent person I'd feel the same way. U.S. Olympic team? Really? With all those Habs, Oilers, Red Wings, etc. teams to choose from?

 

Fuck if I know. I was just throwing out an example. I definitely don't think they were the best team, but since they were the only team to have a movie made of them, that makes them pretty fucking memorable. That said, I'd say the Oilers with Gretzky, Messier, etc probably takes it.

[CanadianGuitarist 0]

As a Canadian, I take offense to you putting, out of all the possible candidates, the fucking Miracle on Ice squad as the best hockey team.

 

As an intelligent person I'd feel the same way. U.S. Olympic team? Really? With all those Habs, Oilers, Red Wings, etc. teams to choose from?

 

Fuck if I know. I was just throwing out an example. I definitely don't think they were the best team, but since they were the only team to have a movie made of them, that makes them pretty fucking memorable. That said, I'd say the Oilers with Gretzky, Messier, etc probably takes it.

 

There have been a number of box sets, historical looks, and made-for-TV movies about the 1972 Summit Series and the Canadian squad. That obviously doesn't compare to a Hollywood movie, but I can name exactly three members of the US team. Off the top of my head, I could name a half-dozen of any great hockey team. You mentioned hockey not being mainstream enough, but it's a Canadian-run tournament: Hockey is as mainstream as it gets.

 

I'm not disputing what a moment the Miracle on Ice was, nor the significance of it, but it's oft-forgotten that it was not for the gold medal - if such a crucial fact is forgotten, that has to be a bit of a blow to the title of "most memorable team".

 

Finally, and this may be semantics more than anything else: Can a team that pulled such a huge upset be considered as the best ever, or even among them?

[CanadianChris 0]

Finally, and this may be semantics more than anything else: Can a team that pulled such a huge upset be considered as the best ever, or even among them?

No, definitely not. That'd be like saying '85 Villanova or '83 NC State were among the greatest teams ever. Greatest stories, yes, but not greatest teams.

 

And 3 members of the Miracle on Ice team is still two more than I can name.

[the max 0]

Finally, and this may be semantics more than anything else: Can a team that pulled such a huge upset be considered as the best ever, or even among them?

No, definitely not. That'd be like saying '85 Villanova or '83 NC State were among the greatest teams ever. Greatest stories, yes, but not greatest teams.

 

And 3 members of the Miracle on Ice team is still two more than I can name.

 

Jim Craig?

Mike Eruzione?

Ken Morrow?

Neal Broten?

Mike Ramsey?

[CanadianChris 0]

Eruzione was the only one I could recall. I might have gotten Broten if I was pressed.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

I'm so sorry I disparaged the great name of hockey by throwing out Miracle on Ice. Jesus. I'll be first to admit I lost all interest in hockey once Gary Bettman and Bob Goodenow caused the league to shut down. So feel free to plug in any random "best hockey team evar~!" in my post where Miracle on Ice occupies currently.

[garfieldsnose 0]

Canadians have a short leash. Not like any Canadian team won the Cup since 1993! Oops! Did I open a can of worms!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!!?!?!@!?#@#>@!#e.2e

[CanadianGuitarist 0]

Eruzione and Craig were the two players, along with Herb Brooks.

 

 

[bob_barron 0]

I'm so sorry I disparaged the great name of hockey by throwing out Miracle on Ice. Jesus. I'll be first to admit I lost all interest in hockey once Gary Bettman and Bob Goodenow caused the league to shut down. So feel free to plug in any random "best hockey team evar~!" in my post where Miracle on Ice occupies currently.

 

 

VX was right. Must be Porter's time of the month.

 

For hockey teams- what about the 2002 Red Wings?

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

I'm so sorry I disparaged the great name of hockey by throwing out Miracle on Ice. Jesus. I'll be first to admit I lost all interest in hockey once Gary Bettman and Bob Goodenow caused the league to shut down. So feel free to plug in any random "best hockey team evar~!" in my post where Miracle on Ice occupies currently.

 

 

VX was right. Must be Porter's time of the month.

 

For hockey teams- what about the 2002 Red Wings?

 

Because I think it's silly to jump on me for throwing out an example? In that case, surely you have a tampon handy to give me.

[CanadianGuitarist 0]

For hockey teams- what about the 2002 Red Wings?

 

They'd be in my top 5 for hockey. I still see (in no order) the '04 Canadian World Cup Team, late 70's Habs, mid 80's oilers, and early 80's Isles in there. The '76 Canada Cup team has to be close, too.

[Psycho Penguin 0]

The Oilers of the 1980s were one of the greatest sports dynasties of all time.

[CanadianChris 0]

For hockey teams- what about the 2002 Red Wings?

That's a good choice. I'd go with the 1977 Canadiens, though. 60-8-12 in the regular season, 12-2 in the playoffs.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

I actually like the 85-86 Oilers. It's only a shame they didn't win it all. Though they redeemed themselves the next year.

[Guest Czecherbear]

But it was Miami Hurricanes that knocked off the Bulls, not the Dolphins. And everyone SHOULD know the 1985 Bears were superior to the 17-0 Dolphins by miles.

 

Oh. Well.. those 2001 Hurricanes were pretty damn amazing. Most talented and dominant college football team ever vs. most talented and dominant NBA team ever. So, close matchup. Comes down to voters mindset really.

You can't tell me a minor league team is superior to a major league team, unless you're a total dipshit.

 

The '96 Bulls could beat a college team at football if they wanted to, I betcha.

[CanadianGuitarist 0]

But it was Miami Hurricanes that knocked off the Bulls, not the Dolphins. And everyone SHOULD know the 1985 Bears were superior to the 17-0 Dolphins by miles.

 

Oh. Well.. those 2001 Hurricanes were pretty damn amazing. Most talented and dominant college football team ever vs. most talented and dominant NBA team ever. So, close matchup. Comes down to voters mindset really.

The '96 Bulls could beat a college team at football if they wanted to. You can't tell me a minor league team is superior to a major league team, unless you're a total dipshit.

 

That's not really, or shouldn't be, the context of the tournament though. It's all relative.

 

Edit: I smell another "Mundane sports achievements" agrument brewing.

[Psycho Penguin 0]

But it was Miami Hurricanes that knocked off the Bulls, not the Dolphins. And everyone SHOULD know the 1985 Bears were superior to the 17-0 Dolphins by miles.

 

Oh. Well.. those 2001 Hurricanes were pretty damn amazing. Most talented and dominant college football team ever vs. most talented and dominant NBA team ever. So, close matchup. Comes down to voters mindset really.

You can't tell me a minor league team is superior to a major league team, unless you're a total dipshit.

 

The '96 Bulls could beat a college team at football if they wanted to, I betcha.

 

"Comes down to voters mindset really". Did you miss that part? What's with the name calling? Some people (who are clearly of higher intelligence like yourself) will vote for the latest dominant pro team because they are clearly better than the teams of older days. College teams can never be good because they can't beat pro teams, either. Then there are "dipshits" who vote for who dominated their sport and was the best at the sport they played. I guess they are total idiots because everyone knows professionals are superior and a 12 man basketball team would beat a bunch of skilled college football kids in a football game.

 

[Guest Czecherbear]

Then relative to their respective competition, the NBA team in question established supremacy at a higher level of basketball than did the college football team in question, inasmuch as the Bulls were the best in a league of professionals who are the very best in the world at what they do. The Hurricanes were the best developmental-tier football team among hundreds of teams with players spanning from prospective professionals to student athletes who happen to be good at football. I don't know. You tell me.

 

That was just facetious chest-thumping about the Bulls, though. Duh.