Dr. Tyler; Captain America

You're thinking of Syria.

Give me actual evidence that they did. RABBIT SEASON.

Rabbit season.

Here's one: we haven't found anything. Therefore, the ball is in your court. Because, as has been my rationale for hating Saddam, he's a terrible dictator and deserved to die. However, that argument wasn't made by the U.S., and it isn't used as rationale by the administration (well, until after the war anyway). The rationale was that he was a direct and imminent threat to our country.

Of course, the argument is acknowledged, but you could still produce chemical weapons in any labratory in America if you had the stuff. He didn't infer that they had the stuff.

The above one was for shits and giggles. I'm still trying to find a piece of your argument that is backed up by any solid evidence outside of percieved logic and total inferrence.

Probably because he knows he'll never have to worry about re-election again Exactly, and that's why I personally support allowing ousted officials sign bills.

But NOTHING you've said that has been backed up with evidence -- evidence that isn't a critical reading of another man's reports -- that states that they DO. In this case, the burden of proof is in YOUR court. And hey, while we're at it, let's get in the time warp machine and look at quotes from Bush's OWN ADMINISTRATION in 2001. http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/powell-no-wmd.htm

Oh, and hey, more goodness keeps popping up! http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/l...,1,581790.story

If so, why did the President retract the statement? So they were studying germs. Whoopity freakin' do, we knew these guys weren't a bunch of saints. They weren't a threat to anyone's national security, much less ours as we had so vehemently claimed in front of the world. Even your rationale: ...fails to address the point that the CLAIM WAS FUCKING FALSE! These countries said that quite a few times, and if we were actually going on true, proven material (i.e. his use of chem weapons on the Kurds, proven history of torture etc., AND disobedience to U.N. resolutions in declarations [hey, why not throw that in there?]), they likely would've been much more likely to comply. You and Marney will dispute that, as will all war-hungry conservatives, but how will you prove it? WE DIDN'T EVEN TRY. EDIT: I'm sure if they had these chemicals, he might... well... PUT IT IN HIS FUCKING REPORT!

And by the way, GOD ;wlkadsjfsao;dkjf;lskadjfING CHRIST. The point of this -- and it ISN'T disputable, regardless of how many high school labratories we've found -- is that Iraq WASN'T an imminent threat to our nation. Believe it or not, we could've waited for multilateral support before we decided to take out their leadership. They certainly didn't have nukes on them, and they likely didn't have any more than a warhead or two of mustard gas. With the U.N. inspectors in the country forcing them to move shit around quite a bit, God knows they weren't getting any work done. Why the hell couldn't we have built up a United Nations-backed coalition based on the premise that Saddam Hussein is a horrible despot who needed to be removed? Why lie and say Iraq has "tons of VX gas" etc. like Rummy did? Why go in front of the U.N. and parade falsified documents about buying uranium from Africa? Also, more about the Kay briefing that isn't in that article. http://www.ceip.org/files/nonprolif/templa...asp?NewsID=5442 Hey, if you guys are allowed to source Heritage and shit and get away with it, I don't want to hear an ounce of bitching about the source.

A find, yes, but hardly a new find. We've known for months that they had the groundwork for dormant programs that could be possibly theoretically ressurrected. The Kay report gives nothing else to possibly suggest that it was in use.

I just might

We should all join and put it in our sigs.

I'll echo Va'aiga's statement that confidence is EVERYTHING in e-wrestling. If you don't have inner confidence that you can beat anyone that comes up against you, you're gonna lose more often than if you give people no respect. You have to learn to pick out the flaws of your opponent and convince yourself that you're simply better than him. Wanna respect him? Fine, but don't give him any respect in your mind when you "step in the ring" with him, and I'm not just talking about in-character. It's a mindset, and it is more useful than you'll ever know. The match itself was great, even though the typos pissed me off I also noticed the lack of selling a face Flesher, which sounds like a misunderstanding. All-in-all, a very good match, but you've gotta get your head in the clouds, man.

What's awesome about this is that they never said that those labs could be used to create VX, either! That was a complete PRESUMPTION by Tom about the findings, not something Kay had said!

Also, other wonderful discoveries by Kay... Basically, he's found the remains of dormant programs. This is the huge story about the scientist whose backyard was being used to store equipment and papers, which turned out to be not-so-huge of a story when he told everyone that he hadn't been contacted since before the Gulf War. They found nothing. You're making mountains out of molehills.

Where in the passage does it say that they had the chemicals/ingredients to do that in these labratories? Hint: don't even look. It doesn't. If you had the substances, you could use any high school lab to make those chemicals. It's hardly an amazing find.

WHOA!!! They found VX and Anthrax!?!?!?! Really?!?! No.

Shhh!!!!! You're not supposed to mention that! Ever! The correct stance to take is "OMG WEAPONS NEVER WERE THERE!!!!" And what about the people who were REFUSING to give them more time? Now these people WANT more time. The roles are simply reversed.

Congratulations, Mr. Kay, you've described every high school labratory in America.

30 million dollars is a lot to hide. For an MLB team, that's almost Enron territory.

Let's see 2002, and then 2003 (where the team themselves are claiming a 30 million dollar deficit, not the league). IIRC, the team got their stadium in 2001, which would explain the original profit.

.... "Red" doesn't mean profit.