Downhome

The more of the business that you take away from "the boys", the more the business as we know it dies. That's my opinion on it.

I'd mark out also, I love(d) that show.

I can't believe this, as it just came out of nowhere to me. I believe I heard something about them trying to do so in the past, but wow. Sincerely, ...Downhome...

I say don't just put them in prison, and don't just shoot them. I say that we should use them to see what happens in "what if" cases. Like what if we tied one to a rocket, and launced it into orbit? What if we cut off as many pieces of the guy as we can, just to find out how much we could sever before they die. That sort of thing.

I equate this to a retarded person dancing around and singing. It's so cute, but also kind of sad.

On RAW when Vince was in the ring and had Austin come out in a suit and tie to be "corporate". Austin didn't low blow him, it was more of a chop to the groin or something. Vince's sell of that move was just classic, I still find it funny as hell.

My uncle's best friend's (the mailman in the town next to his) son who posts on a wrestling board on the net who knows Vince McMahon personally seeing how he talked to him in AOL chat once (OMGVinceRoxx), told him and my uncle then told me...that the big annoucement is that Vince bought TNA. True story.

I don't think Brock really needs a title to make an impact and to be noticed. As Ray said, the real problem is having enough of quality opponents for Brock. Who else is there besides Angle and Eddie that would really work well with Lesnar?

I thought this was interesting, so tear it apart, comment, or whatever you want. The topic still stands though and makes sense to me. If Brock continues to evolve and get better, how good could he eventually become in your opinion? Sincerely, ...Downhome...

If true, then thank you God. That charcter was one of the most pointless characters, ever.

Once the clipjobs are released, and done with, then I'll start getting the actual DVDs. I would never buy a DVD full of just clipped matches.

Just to take a jab at BET. I also want an AET, MET, and CAT.

It's about time we have something like this to come up. I still want them to do the WET network.

First off, and thanks to the guy who made this so freaking fast. I do believe we officially live in the twilight zone. Tonight something happened which I NEVER thought would happen not too long ago, Eddie won the freaking WWE World CHAMPIONSHIP! Add that into the fact that the WM main event is going to be (more than likely) Angle vs. Eddie and at the end of the night when everything is said and done, both Eddie AND Benoit might be holding a world title. Never in a million years could I have predicted such a thing, I'm (you guessed it), simply in awe. I nailed my predictions, other than the Holly/Rhyno thing. To be honest, I wish that wasn't even added to the PPV. Back to the PPV though. While it wasn't the best PPV that I've ever seen, I will say that it was one of the most perfectly booked PPVs that I've seen in years. With three very solid matches, two of them being freaking outstanding and one of them being one of the best matches in years, I think we should be pretty thankfull tonight. The three matches on the PPV that really sucked, they were at least booked as they should've been. Rikishi/Scotty kept the tag titles in order to give it off to TWGTT (hopefully), Noble showed just how big of a heel he is now and beat Nidia, and Holly beat Rhyno (even though I don't see the point in it). Another great thing is that TWGTT actually beat APA, a big win for them so they can finally get THEIR tag titles once again. The three-way match was pretty good, the cruiser match actually was given time to allow it to unfold, and the main event. Well, you know how that went. As I watched though, I noticed a few things also. One being that Eddie makes Brock look like his personal whore on the mic. When they are in the ring together on the stick, Brock sounds like a moron who doesn't deserve to even be in the ring, and Eddie is the one who actually sounds like a world champion. John Cena's character basicly just flat out sucks as a face. I can't stand the guy anymore, and I get no entertainment out of his character anymore. It just doesn't work as a face, it comes off like he's half retarded. Goldberg sure as hell looks like he's over to me. I thought that the crowd MIGHT turn on him for getting in Brocks face, but the fans responded very much in Goldberg's favor, so that's a good thing for this feud. Sure, Goldberg got involved in the main event, but Brock did kick out of the Spear...leaving Eddie to do HIS thing and to get the win HIS way. Two thumbs up from me, and it's made me look forward to WMXX that much more. Sincerely, ...Downhome...

I might as well put mine down in print just for the record. Eddie Guerrero vs WWE Champion Brock Lesnar Winner: Eddie Guerrero John Cena vs Kurt Angle vs Big Show Winner: Kurt Angle Nidia vs Jamie Noble Winner: Jamie Noble World's Greatest Tag Team vs A.P.A. Winners: WGTT The Bashams vs WWE Tag Champions Scotty and Rikishi Winners: Scotty and Rikishi Cruiserweight Champion Rey Mysterio vs Chavo Guerrero Winner: Chavo Guerrero Jr. Rhyno vs Hardcore Holly Winner: Rhyno

No offense, but that review is "lacking", for a lack of better words.

I hate when people say that, come on now, you are better than going "I don't know what show YOU were watching". I was watching the exact same thing. Of course you heard a few boos here and there when he beat up Foly and when he FIRST showed up on the big screen. Any nutsack would have recieved a negative reaction (albeit very small), after what he just did to Foley and after he was shown on the screen right after the horrible thing that Foley said about him But it didn't last. After time went by, and he came down at the end of the night for his match, the people just weren't responding to him. If he was worth anything at all as a heel after all of what happened, the fans would've been out of their minds with wanting to let him know just how much they hate him. Not getting heat at the end of the night is very important, it shows that the people just don't care about him over all and after time goes by. Look at the true heels in WWE, the guys you are actually over, that's what being a heel is about. If you can't get heat for doing something, and KEEP that heat, then it's not working. The fans simply don't care about him after everything is said and done. If all was right in the world then yeah, they should both be the #1 heels in WWE seeing how they are both the champions. There is a reason that this isn't so though. Of course he is, he's the ultimate scumbucket in the world of wrestling. Just watch the WWE Monday Night Wars DVD for him to explain it himself. This guy, he'll always be one of if not THE most over heel in wrestling, after everything that he's done in the past both as an onscreen character and as his real self. From his stupid decisions that so many of us hate to the stuff that he has done to any number of faces, Austin and Bret specificly, the fans will always hate him and he'll always get some of, if not the, most heat whenever he is on. It doesn't matter if he hasn't won a world title or actually retired any legends yet. The guy has been the focus of so much, for so long by this point. Right now, he is the current IC champ, he's not only beat the shit out of Foley (a guy the fans love), but he has said some very mean things about him, he has got in the face of so many other faces, he's got a very cocky and "prety-boy" gimmick, Mick Foley said something real about the guy which is something that just about everyone hates with a passion in real life, and more. With all of that he should be, like I said, one of the top heels in the federation. Yes, HHH and Brock should be over him, but he should be right up there with both of them. He's done so much, yet it's done so little for the guy. To say that he shouldn't be one of the top heels, getting some of the most intenst heat, right NOW, well I don't know what to say to that. He'll get a boo here and there, but it never lasts, and you can obviously tell it by his entrance at this past RAW. The very same show you were watching. Just like with Cade/Jindrak, they never really did much to push him as a face other than the "hey I'm a new guy and I'm the son of some wrestlers that most of you have never heard of, but I'm a face so cheer me!" thing. They have done so much to put him over as a heel though, they've put so much time and work into it, but it's not working. Had he ever done anything really to get over as a face, I assure you he could've been much more over than what he is right now. There is a difference between being over as a a heel in terms of being someone that the fans REALLY hate, and getting booed just because the people don't know who you are and don't give a shit if they see you or not. The type of heel I'm talking about, is the type of heel that is actually over and for an extended periof of time. The type of heel who the fans do boo...but they love to hate him. It's much harder to get that type of reaction than to be cheered as a babyface. To even compare the type of "heel" heat that people that the fans don't know, don't care about, and just don't want to see to the type of heel heat that someone like Flair gets, is not fair. I never said anyone couldn't get heel heat for one show, me or you could do that also, just because people don't want to see us in the ring. It's much harder, to get the heel heat and to keep it and to remain over as a heel, than it is to be a babyface whenever you go out there. As a babyface you can go out there and do the exact same thing over and over and you'll still be over if you do it the same way, but as a heel it's simply very hard because you need to not only watch what you do to remain over as a heel and make sure you make it look real, but you need to be carefull that you don't cross the line of cool face. Very few people can do that, it's one of the hardest things that the guys can do in wrestling. You are bringing up the same point as above, which is tottaly invalid to what I'm talking about. Let me try to make it more clear what I'm talking about. 1) ANYONE can go out there and get booed or cheered on any given show, depending on what you say, do, who you do it with, etc... 2) Once you are an actual "face", like a Rikishi and Scotty, it's very easy to remain a face because all they really have to do is to go out there and do the same thing they do week after week, because that's what the fans in the crowd wants to see. They want to see them do their stupid dance, they want to see the Stink Fcae, and they want to see the Worm. If they do that, then everything is cool and they'll still be faces in the morning. 2) Once you are actually a heel though and it's how you are booked, it's much harder to keep that ball rolling. You must go out there, do something new to get the fans to hate you, and just keep up your act but keep it fresh. If you go too far with it though you could easily become the cool face, we've see that happen now and then. It's simply a much thinner line to walk than it is for the guys who play the face. Exactly, and Orton isn't maintaing the heat. Hell, the guy can't even maintain it throughout an entire show, much less over an extended period of time like weeks/months.

Well I disagree. After everything that happened on RAW this past Monday night, at the end of the night when he came out he got almost NO reponse at all, it was very sad. I'm not anti-Orton or anything, but I do realize when someone gets just about no reaction at all. That isn't really the point though. After everything they have given Orton to do, and others to do to him, he should be one of if not THE most over heel in wrestling. I don't see how anyone can disagree with that. But let's not turn this into an Orton thread, I was just using him as an example of it being harder to be a heel. Of course there are exceptions to the rule. When they were faces though, they never really did anything to be over as faces in the first place. They would just come out and fight heels, and that doesn't work. It wasn't untill they actually got on the mic that they got over one way or another, so saying that it was easier for them is a mute point. They never really tried anything to be a face. It's not just because they like them more, it's just because to remain a constant heel is VERY hard. Like I said, in this day and age, it's a very thin line between ultimate heel and cool face. Unless you are actually talented at doing that sort of thing, you still wont get over as a heel. It's one thing for a face to go out there and say something that everyone will like (a cheap pop) as I've seen just about ANYONE do that and get a face reaction. Me or you could go out there with say Hogan or something in NYC and get on the mic and go "The Yanks are going to destroy the Marlins in the World Series, we'll kick their ass!" and the fans would erupt. It would be much harder to get them to actually HATE you, to really despise you. We couldn't do it, beacuse the fans do not know us and we have no reason for them to hate us. And it's much easier to remain a solid face. You can go out there week after week and do the exact same thing (Stink Face, Worm, etc...) and you'll never be a heel, you'll never have to worry about the fans all of a sudden just not liking it and thinking of you as a heel. But as a heel, you do need to worry about being cool, and about the fans turnning you face.

That's never been true to me at all. Look down through the history of wrestling and look at everyone who was went from heel to face and vice versa. Any moron can go out there and do stupid shit like a Stink Face, The Worm, simply say the name of the town where ever you are, do a run in and save another face who is more over than you, and so on. It take real talent to go out there and to get the fans to hate your guts. Look at someone like Orton and everything that's been done to get him over as a heel. It simply hasn't worked like it could for other people. Look at Rocky and Austin as they were TRYING to play the role of heel at various times in their career, but the fans just wouldn't buy into it, and basicly turned them face for them. Throughout history it's been easier to be a face than a heel. To be a heel, you really need to know how to piss people off, how to get the fans worked up, and how to even use your movements in the ring. You can get just about anyone over as a face, but some people just can not be taken seriously as a heel, no matter what you give them to do. Look at people like Rikishi and TBS who can always be over as a face, but they REALLY have to work to be a heel. The same goes for an endless ammount of guys in the industry, to be a true heel takes a hell of a lot more hard work than to be a simple babyface. Especially in this day and age. You need to know what your limits are. If you become too much of a heel, it all of a sudden becomes "cool", and the fans accept you as a face like it or not. To be a heel, it's a very thin line for the workers to walk down. Especailly to be able to remain a heel for an extended period of time. As for Edge, his going back and forth between both the serious face and the goofy bastard does not strike me as anything of a threat to anyone. Not to mention, like I said, I despise his moveset. It's like the guy can't decide on which character he wants to play, I just hate it. Personal preference though, it's just how I feel about the guy. I haven't liked him at all since he was Christian's full time partner.

I think the guy has a hell of a lot of talent. He just needs to totally change his gimmick, just about his entire moveset, and just go at things from a different dirrection. I'd rather him have a gimmick something like what he had back in the days of The Brood. Some sort of crazy heel, because in my opinion that look fits him much better than the goofy face. If he MUST be a face, then he needs to totally drop all of the goofy aspects from it, it makes him look like a moron and I will never be able to accept him as any sort of threat with him acting like that. As for his moveset, well, for some guys it works mixing in a more cruiserweight style with a heavy set, but it doesn't work for him. He needs to decide on a style, and stick with it.

Bah, I hate this. I also hope that HHH takes care of Edge very quickly after WM, I really do. With that said, I don't understand why they are moving him from SD to RAW, as SD needs him much more than RAW. It just seems odd how they are messing with the SD roster, and not really RAW.

Can you think of a specific match? I really want to see him actually do it.

Yeah, but rare enough to be worth upwards of $1,000? That's just insane.

They didn't blow anything with what they released. What is there, is outstanding. I do wish they gave me more, but whatever. For what we know though they might have plans for more discs with stuff from the Monday night wars on them. If this one makes a lot of money that is.

Well, the overall big deal is that it's worth a shitload, heh. I guess it's rare or something, I don't really know. All I know is that there are two versions (for all I know the one without the white ring is just a boot, while the one with the white ring is the only "real" version). I've always wondered why it was so rare and worth so much myself.