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Bullshit. Alot of us liked him before he returned from quad tear 01. I started disliking/hating Triple H about the same time as everyone else. Returned too big, burried Jericho, too much Steph on Tv, etc.,. Another thing that did it for me was the Royal Rumble match. RVD, one of the hottest guys in the company enters the rumble. Does some stuff for a minute. Crowd pops huge. Triple H walks over, pedigrees RVD, throws him over the top while the crowd sits stunned. Scott Keiths rant summed that up perfect. "Go figure."

Bret Hart Just think. If Montreal didn't happen and if Vince didn't force Bret out, he would probably be a road agent right now.

bLeH. Taker can go roll around on the mat with Goldberg and Mark Henry on Raw while I watch Jericho and RVD wrestle Angle, Benoit, Eddie, Lesnar, etc, on SD! I will admit Taker has been alot better of late, though.

God damnit! Please, just trade Jericho, RVD, Christian and Storm for Taker, Albert, Big Show and Bradshaw so I don't need to watch Raw every week.

A year from now Eddie will still be in the midcard and we'll be saying "remember last year when Eddie was so over and Vince did nothing with him?"

Might as well. Vince checks out Steph's tits almost every time on camera.

Steve Austin called Bret Hart out of "retirement" once and now Angle is trying to do the same!!!!!!!!

Rock is over, is a draw, makes Vince money and entertains me. Which is all I really ask for. Rock is so over he could easily come back as a tweener and feud with a couple different people at once. I like the 3 or 4 way battles/feuds. Their fun, we get decent matches and it keeps it fresh and exciting instead of the same two guys feuding week after week. You can switch up matches, tag matches, promos and it keeps going and going until the PPV blow off match. Let Brock and Taker have their main event feud and give Rock, Cena, Angle, Eddie and/or Benoit something to work with.

That's why as fans we shouldn't give a rats ass about ratings. Sure, their fun to rip apart and blame the low ratings on this one and that one, but even if the shows did 6.0 ratings we would still rip them apart. Bet your ass, if this board was around in 99/2000 we would had bitched about the shows then as well.

I really like the way they refer to Eddie Guerrero as a "Fighting Champion."

More Details On RAW Rating RVD/Christian match fails to draw... RAW finished with a 3.4 overall rating, the show's lowest rating in awhile. The rating is down from a 3.6 from last week and a 3.7 from the week before. The highest rated segment of the show was a 3.9 for the Jim Ross/Jonathan Coachman match in the fifth quarter. The Kane/Hurricane match caused the 3.9 in Q5 to drop down to a 3.4. The next quarter, featuring Goldberg & Shawn Michaels facing Ric Flair & Randy Orton, did a 3.5 rating. The RVD/Christian Ladder match did a low 3.3 rating in Q8 and went up to a 3.6 for the overrun, one of RAW's lowest overruns in recent memory. The rating displays that when wrestlers are treated as mid-card level wrestlers for months and months, fans will simply not buy them as headliners overnight. Credit: PWTorch.com/411maina

Hey! Enough of that shit! Keep JR and Lawler away from the show with the actual wrestling. Cole and Tazz are doing just fine on Smackdown. Edit: Damn, Spaceman Spiff beat me to it.

Email Lawler and tell him how you feel. I did once and he replied back by calling me an imbecile. I wish I could read that old thread again.

I don't care how much this song is played out but "Freebird" deserves #1 solo.

I'd love to see someone like Jericho come out to Pantera's "Becoming." The guitars in that song are so F'N loud in an arena it's scary.

I had an isle seat for Raw once (Austin's beer truck) and Big Show is pretty damn big seeing him just 3 feet away. Granted, I'm only 5'11 170lbs, but still. I also was lucky enough to see Andre The Giant and Yokosuna live. Those two were huge.

I'm not saying this was big business, but didn't the Rey/Hardy match in the main event slot a month-or-so-ago do a pretty high rating? Then the next week they opened the show. Then they......went somewhere?

Position: Song: Guitarist 100: Three Days: Dave Navarro 99: Cause We've Ended As Lovers: Jeff Beck 98: Under A Glass Moon: John Petrucci 97: Cherub Rock: Billy Corgan 96: Honky Tonk Women: Keith Richards 95: Yellow Ledbetter: Mike McCready 94: Working Man: Alex Lifeson 93: The End: Robby Krieger 92: Stray Cat Strut: Brian Setzer 91: Heard It Through The Grapevine: John Fogerty 90: Let It Rain: Eric Clapton 89: Killing In The Name: Tom Morello 88: Kid Charlemagne: Larry Carlton 87: Cult Of Personality: Vernon Reid 86: Whipping Post: Duane Allman/Dickie Betts 85: Moonage Daydream: Mick Ronson 84: Santeria: Brad Nowell 83: Scuttle Buttin': Stevie Ray Vaughan 82: 21st Century Schizoid Man: Robert Fripp 81: Sweet Jane: Ian Hunter/Dick Wagner 80: You Shook Me All Night Long: Angus Young 79: Mean Street: Eddie Van Halen 78: Truckin': Jerry Garcia 77: Man In The Box: Jerry Cantrell 76: Cinnamon Girl: Neil Young 75: Won't Get Fooled Again: Pete Townshend 74: Lazy: Ritchie Blackmore 73: Stash: Trey Anastasio 72: Walk This Way: Joe Perry 71: Maggot Brain: Eddie Hazel 70: Purple Haze: Jimi Hendrix 69: And Your Bird Can Sing: George Harrison 68: Starship Trooper: Steve Howe 67: Beat It: Eddie Van Halen (II) 66: Blue Sky: Duane Allman/Dickie Betts (II) 65: In Bloom: Kurt Cobain 64: Little Red Corvette: Prince 63: Black Hole Sun: Kim Thayil 62: Money: David Gilmour 61: No More Tears: Zakk Wylde 60: Zoot Allures: Frank Zappa 59: You Really Got Me: Dave Davies 58: Cocaine: Eric Clapton (II) 57: Walk: Dimebag Darrell 56: War Pigs: Tony Iommi 55: Satch Boogie: Joe Satriani 54: Geek USA: Billy Corgan (II) 53: Since I've Been Loving You: Jimmy Page 52: Star Spangled Banner: Jimi Hendrix (II) 51: Master Of Puppets: Kirk Hammett 50: Shock Me: Ace Frehley 49: Europa: Carlos Santana 48: Sympathy For The Devil: Keith Richards (II) 47: Jessica: Dickie Betts (II 1/2) 46: Hot For Teacher: Eddie Van Halen (III) 45: Light My Fire : Robby Krieger (II) 44: Alive: Mike McCready 43: Sharp Dressed Man: Billy Gibbons 42: While My Guitar Gently Weeps: Eric Clapton (III) 41: Brighton Rock: Brian May 40: Reelin' In The Years: Elliott Randall 39: Cortez The Killer: Neil Young (II) 38: Whole Lotta Love: Jimmy Page (II) 37: Sweet Child O' Mine: Slash 36: Black Star: Yngwie Malmsteen 35: Cemetary Gates: Dimebag Darrell (II) 34: Paranoid Android: Jonny Greenwood 33: The Thrill Is Gone: B.B. King 32: Machine Gun: Jimi Hendrix (III) 31: Stranglehold: Ted Nugent 30: Surfing With The Alien: Joe Satriani (II) 29: For The Love Of God: Steve Vai 28: Mr. Crowley: Randy Rhoads 27: Pride And Joy: Stevie Ray Vaughan (II) 26: Smells Like Teen Spirit: Kurt Cobain (II) 25: Aqualung: Martin Barre 24: Fade To Black: Kirk Hammett (II) 23: Bulls On Parade: Tom Morello (II) 22: Sultans Of Swing: Mark Knopfler 21: Time: David Gilmour (II) 20: Bohemian Rhapsody: Brian May (II) 19: Highway Star: Ritchie Blackmore (II) 18: Little Wing: Jimi Hendrix (IV) 17: Cliffs Of Dover: Eric Johnson 16: Heartbreaker: Jimmy Page (III) 15: Floods: Dimebag Darrell (III) 14: Layla: Eric Clapton (III 1/2)/Duane Allman (II 1/2) 13: Texas Flood: Stevie Ray Vaughan (III) 12: Johnny B. Goode: Chuck Berry 11: Voodoo Chile (Slight Return): Jimi Hendrix (V) 10: Crossroads: Eric Clapton (IV 1/2) 09: Crazy Train: Randy Rhoads (II) 08: Hotel California: Don Felder/Joe Walsh 07: One: Kirk Hammett (III) 06: November Rain: Slash (II) 05: All Along The Watchtower: Jimi Hendrix (VI) 04: Comfortably Numb: David Gilmour (III) 03: Freebird: Allen Collins/Gary Rossington 02: Eruption: Eddie Van Halen (IV) 01: Stairway To Heaven: Jimmy Page (IV) Credit: Guitar World magazine/411mania

I don't know about that, but Stacy looks mighty fine in those Dudley outfits.

I finally picked that album up this past Saturday and I haven't stopped listening to it. I really need to see them live. Another song which isn't anything great but catchy is "Falls on Me" by Fuel. I think that's the name of it? I might have to go out and buy my first metal album in a while. I been hearing alot of Shadows Fall and I'm really getting into them. A little off topic. I saw REM's and the White Stripes new videos today and their great. Of course they wouldn't win a VMA against Justin or 50.... Well, you know how that works......

The latest from OutKast, a two disc set titled Speakerboxxx/The Love Below, sold an extremely impressive 509,000 first week copies to capture the #1 spot during one of the most competitive release weeks of the year. Dave Matthews first solo album, Some Devil, debuted at #2 with an impressive 469,000 first week copies sold. Limp Bizkit's often delayed Results May Vary finally dropped and debuted at #3 after moving 325,000 copies. That is a solid debut, but far below their last album which sold over 1 million copies in its first week. Despite all the scandals that surround him, R. Kelly continues to sell CDs. His latest, The R. in R&B Collection, Vol. 1, sold 250,000 copies in its first week to debut at #4. The latest rapper from the Shady/Aftermath crew, Obie Trice, debuts at #5 with Cheers selling 226,000 copies. Nickelback's The Long Road debuted at #6 with 200,000 copies sold. That is the band's best debut week. DMX dropped from #1 to #7 in his second week, as Grand Champ suffered a 52% sales drop down to 150,000 copies. The debut album from Murphy Lee, Murphy's Law, came in at #8 with 135,000 copies sold. Lee is best known for his cameo on the hit track, Shake Ya Tailfeather. John Mayer's Heavier Things dropped five spots to #9 with 123,000 copies sold. The set has now topped 500,000 albums sold in three weeks. Hilary Duff rounds out the top ten with Metamorphosis moving another 117,000 copies. The disc has now sold over 600,000 copies in total. Credit: 411mania/music

I couldn't find the whole SD taping but this is what aired on Smackdown on October 3rd, 2002 two days after the taping. Chavo Guerrero and Eddie Guerrero defeated Mark Henry and Rikishi in a Smackdown Tag Team Titles Tournament Match Matt Hardy defeated The Undertaker in a Street Fight Cruiserweight Champion, Jamie Noble, defeated Crash Holly Edge defeated Kurt Angle D-Von Dudley and Ron Simmons defeated Billy Gunn and Chuck Palumbo in a Smackdown Tag Team Titles Tournament Match Torrie Wilson defeated Dawn Marie in a Bikini Contest Rey Mysterio defeated Chris Benoit.

Next weeks column. Edge discusses the first time he was tea bagged.

I'd love to see Bret Hart show up, bash a shovel over Goldberg's head one more time, collect the money and then leave. Seriously, I was into this angle for a minute until Mark Henry ruined it. Good ol' Mark Henry.

I don't understand how a match doesn't age well or hold up over time. If it was a classic at one point but has been topped since, why isn't it still a great classic match? That's like saying Ali sucks because there have been arguably better boxers since. Or a Beatles, early Stones or Doors album suck because they were recorded on 4 track compared to the production of bands today.